Serious Thread: The Liverpool Situation

Attendance at Anfield today 35400.

Nice to see fans who support their team through thick and thin.
 
It's the players that stinks, there's no motivation, no drive, and there's too much player's power imo. Carra + Gerrard should be left to bench as they have becoming more as a detrimental to the club every second they're in the field.

THere's no unity, no drive, nothing.

Until that is sorted, no manager can take them to perform at their level.
 
Sky1981 said:
It's the players that stinks,
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Of course it is. :smirk:

One day the penny will drop on here and you'll all realise that Hodgson is so very clearly out of his depth.

Until then, you'll seemingly keep blaming one of Benitez, Carragher, Torres or Gerrard.
 
Sky1981 said:
It's the players that stinks, there's no motivation, no drive, and there's too much player's power imo. Carra + Gerrard should be left to bench as they have becoming more as a detrimental to the club every second they're in the field.
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how exactly are they detrimental?

Stevie saved our bacon yet again today.
 
Hodgson and Commioli were at the Newc v Wigan game today. My Liverpool supporting mate reckons (on the basis of hearing/reading it elsewhere) that they're after Rodallega and possibly Jose Enrique in the window. Both would be better than what they have at present. I guess paying the tax on buys from other English teams might be a problem though.
 
Rodallega was linked with Arsenal last summer if I remember right, he's a decent player but I'm not sure he's good enough for the level that Liverpool are aspiring to return to, he's very inconsistent and is often invisible through entire games. Having said that he's an important player to Wigan, so I suspect Wheelan would want a fairly hefty transfer fee for him.
 
R_Nick said:
Rodallega was linked with Arsenal last summer if I remember right, he's a decent player but I'm not sure he's good enough for the level that Liverpool are aspiring to return to, he's very inconsistent and is often invisible through entire games. Having said that he's an important player to Wigan, so I suspect Wheelan would want a fairly hefty transfer fee for him.
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Aye, but he plays the lone frontman role well and he seems to generally stay fit, so he'd be a good deputy for Torres/option when they wanted to play two up.

Konchesky looks wildly out of his depth, which is a shame, as he seems a very honest lad. I like Enrique, he seems to have adapted well to English football, and he has a bit about him going forward.
 
Yea true, they do need to back up for Torres, just not sure he'd actually help them all that much. Mind you, with better service he might be more productive.
 
R_Nick said:
Rodallega was linked with Arsenal last summer if I remember right, he's a decent player but I'm not sure he's good enough for the level that Liverpool are aspiring to return to, he's very inconsistent and is often invisible through entire games. Having said that he's an important player to Wigan, so I suspect Wheelan would want a fairly hefty transfer fee for him.
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He needs to have some decent players around him.

Valencia made the step up, they'd be hoping for a similar result. Worth a punt, since realistically they aren't looking for CL players, but for EL quality players to stabilise their team.
 
Valencia stood out a hell of a lot more at Wigan than Rodallega has done, to be fair.
 
Sam.G said:
Of course it is. :smirk:

One day the penny will drop on here and you'll all realise that Hodgson is so very clearly out of his depth.

Until then, you'll seemingly keep blaming one of Benitez, Carragher, Torres or Gerrard.
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Liverpool are 9th in the league, with two games in hand. Win those and their 6th. Right where they belong.
 
Brophs said:
Hodgson and Commioli were at the Newc v Wigan game today. My Liverpool supporting mate reckons (on the basis of hearing/reading it elsewhere) that they're after Rodallega and possibly Jose Enrique in the window. Both would be better than what they have at present. I guess paying the tax on buys from other English teams might be a problem though.
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Jose Enrique is one of the most improved players in the PL. And on the six or seven occasions I've watched him, he's been as impressive a left full back as I've seen. He'd be a very good signing for Liverpool.

Rodallega could be great for his versatility. What's not to like, if you're looking at a squad player? He's technically sound, strong, reasonably pacey and highly adaptable to a number of positions in the frontline.

Both players would strengthen their squad imo.
 
If they lose tonight, is Roy in danger?

And, would sacking him before Sunday be retarded or would having a caretaker in be better for them?
 
Even if they do sack Woy and manage to find a replacement before they play us, there ownt be enough time to really make a great deal of difference. If anything, the confusion might just make them even worse (if that is possible).
 
R_Nick said:
If they lose tonight, is Roy in danger?

And, would sacking him before Sunday be retarded or would having a caretaker in be better for them?
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it always used to be that a team who had just lost their Manager played exceptionally better and even won the next game. Hang on in there Roy....
 
Just after rafa was sacked, i sat down with a few very clever ivy league MBA educated business consultant friends of mine. All had a deep knowledge base and interest in English football. For a laugh, we all put our professional skill sets to the test and tried to apply all our models and business theories to see ow Liverpool could be resurrected. After a couple of hours of chewing the fat, we unanimously concluded that basically they are fecked. There was not much else to say really.

Liverpool FC remains a massive 5 year heavy investment turnaround project which is still standing at time zero. And none of the key personnel are yet in place. Worse, they have lots of pieces in the wrong places. They will now need to get rid of Woy and endure all the transitory pain that is felt within a club whenever mananger is sacked. They still need a much bigger new stadium, £150m warchest to invest in the squad and new manager who will be backed come what may and who has the balls to sell Gerrard and Torres and start all over again. And they need to go through all that with no certainty that it will deliver on time as planned indeed if at all

Short of being acquired by a generous Sheik who will limitlessly invest with no expectation of financial return (unlikely given the new UEFA rules soon to come into play), they are stuck in the mediocrity known as the rock and hard place.
 
sammsky1 said:
Just after rafa was sacked, i sat down with a few very clever ivy league MBA educated business consultant friends of mine. All had a deep knowledge base and interest in English football. For a laugh, we all put our professional skill sets to the test and tried to apply all our models and business theories to see ow Liverpool could be resurrected. After a couple of hours of chewing the fat, we unanimously concluded that basically they are fecked. There was not much else to say really.

Liverpool FC remains a massive 5 year heavy investment turnaround project which is still standing at time zero. And none of the key personnel are yet in place. Worse, they have lots of pieces in the wrong places.

They will know need to get rid of Woy and endure all the transitory pain that is felt within a club whenever mananger is sacked. They still need a much bigger new stadium, £150m warchest to invest in the squad and new manager who will be backed come what may and who has the balls to sell Gerrard and Torres and start all over again. And they need to go through all that with no certainty that it will deliver on time as planned indeed if at all

Short of being acquired by a generous Sheik who will limitlessly invest with no expectation of financial return (unlikely given the new UEFA rules soon to come into play), they are stuck in the mediocrity known as the rock and hard place.
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:lol::lol: Didn't really need to take the bold to figure out the underlined though. Pretty much anybody can see that.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Yep, there's a new manager bounce where the players wants to impress the new guy.

We'll have to deal with it and beat them anyway.
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It doesn't really count if Dalglish takes over as he is already at the club, and especially not if the fat Spanish waiter returns as many of them hate his ample guts.
 
A new manager, no matter how good cannot fix the problems they have. What are their assetts?

Gerrard
Reina
Torres
A good fan base

Gerrard will soon be in the downturn of his career and Torres surely wont stay that much longer.

Liverpool are at least six top quality players away from contending for a top 4 spot and with Chelsea and Citeh to compete with for better players I don't see a solution anytime soon. Put all that together with a ground that is dated and too small and they really are light years away from contending for title number 19. In fact chances are we will be well into the 20s by the time that may come to pass.
 
Nearco said:
A new manager, no matter how good cannot fix the problems they have. What are their assetts?

Gerrard
Reina
Torres
A good fan base

Gerrard will soon be in the downturn of his career and Torres surely wont stay that much longer.

Liverpool are at least six top quality players away from contending for a top 4 spot and with Chelsea and Citeh to compete with for better players I don't see a solution anytime soon. Put all that together with a ground that is dated and too small and they really are light years away from contending for title number 19. In fact chances are we will be well into the 20s by the time that may come to pass.
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feck top 4 - just some decent football will do.
 
I've removed the obvious youth players who have yet to make an impact. It would be interesting to see which ones were Rafa buys, Houllier buys, Roy buys and homegrown.

Goalkeepers
Brad Jones - No impact made yet
Jose Manuel Reina - World class generally but still prone to costly errors

Defenders
Glen Johnson - Cant defend, on that basis a flop
Paul Konchesky - flop, and his mum thinks all scousers are cnuts
Daniel Agger - what happened to that highly rated player? Overated
Fabio Aurelio - Only given a new contract because they couldn't buy anyone. Enough said
Sotirios Kyrgiakos - Had his high in Scotland. Not good enough for a top 6 team
Danny Wilson - Promising but yet to make impact
Jamie Carragher - legs have gone
Martin Skrtel - hit and miss. Personally i think he's overated

Midfield
Raul Meireles - hit and miss
Steven Gerrard - poor season by his standards
Joe Cole - not performed this season
Milan Jovanovic - miss
Maxi Rodriguez - potential but needs to get more consistent
Lucas - Most improved but still lacks creativity
Jay Spearing - promising but no real impact yet
Christian Poulsen - why? Nice headband
Jonjo Shelvey - Promising at Charlton
Thomas Ince - is this the spawn of cnut face?

Forwards
Fernando Torres - Would the real Torres please stand up? Looks increasingly obvious that he wants away
Daniel Pacheco - who?
Dirk Kuyt - Why is he even labled a 'forward'? Doesn't lack in effort, thats the kindest thing i can say
Ryan Babel - a blind race horse. Expensive miss
David N'Gog - better when not paired with Torres. Potential
 
They're in deep trouble Liverpool. The squad is very, very thin on quality. They need alot of investment to get them back up again.

They'll be midtable for a few seasons now, too much harm has been done by Rafa and Roy's signings. Theres only 3 genuine top class players in the squad and 1 of those is injured for 3/4's of the season.

I'd be mortifed if we were in their position. They need to invest heavily in youth and hope that they unearth some gems. Flogging their sellable assets and bringing in a quality manager is a must for them in the summer.
 
I havent read through the thread, but if I was Liverpool manager (almost felt sick saying that), then i'd sign the following players:

Adebayor on loan

Charles N'Zogbia

Wilson Palacios

Niko Krancjar

They're not World class players, but they cant attract players in that bracket in the time being, and they'd be an improvement on what they have now.
 
dont Charles N'Zogbia and Niko Krancjar both play left sided?
 
City wouldn't allow Adebayor on loan.

Zogbia would be the first decent winger they've had for years. That would improve their squad. I don't think Spurs would allow both Palacios and Krancjar to be sold, Palacios has improved his form in the last few matches but Krancjar isn't getting much game time. But would Spurs be willing to sell to a potential rival and besides he's a LM.

If it was me, i'd start from the back and sort out their defense then progress forward.
 
sammsky1 said:
Short of being acquired by a generous Sheik who will limitlessly invest with no expectation of financial return (unlikely given the new UEFA rules soon to come into play), they are stuck in the mediocrity known as the rock and hard place.
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They don't need enormous amounts of money, they need a shrewd and capable team building manager than can get what they already have playing for him and then build from there. A lot of that squad came 2nd in the league 18 months ago and also twatted Real Madrid 4-0. The difficulty is, there are not that many men that could come in and do it, and certainly no British ones apart from SAF, and that isn't going to happen.
 
Spammy said:
Adebayor and Nzogbia would both improve the first XI, Krancjaer is a good player but He'd do nothing to solve the bigger problems in the team. Palacios is rubbish.
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Forget that lot. I bet you that if you had a manager as capable as say Arsen Wenger and gave him 30m quid, he'd have Liverpool back as a top 4 side within 18 months.
 
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