88 minutes!!Are you including his time at Liverpool to accumulate that ridiculously high number of 'playing' minutes?
Newcastle fleece Liverpool for Carroll
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35 million what a fecking joke ! im thinking the fat spanish waiter has kindapped that stooge who handles the scousers transfers !geez darren bent is looking like a bargain now
I sometimes wonder if people on her actually watch any football.
Torres has been quality for Liverpool, if you ignore the last 18 months. You're lucky if you get 20 games a season out of him because of persistent injury, and he's probably got 4 or five years left maximum - if his hamstrings or groin don't eventually go.
Liverpool get Carroll, arguably the best young striker in the league. I bet the money they're paying isn't all upfront and they might get a decade out of him and they'll still have change from the money they got for a pissed off spaniard who's been crap all season.
Carroll could be a top player for the scousers and Suarez and Carroll will petrify defenders.
Shame we're seeing all of the other clubs spending the money.
You question whether people watch football and then claim a player who has 6 months in the league is the best young striker around?!
A certain Hernandez would disagree with you. Its a shame that we weren't able to strengthen our central midfield since we need to do so. On the other hand its not a shame that we weren't involved in such a circus. 35m for Carroll, give me a break.
Hehe. It didn't take Newcastle long to revert to type - they just had a bid rejected for Charles N'Zogbia, who fecked them over royally a couple of years ago.
Relax man!
Not seen much of Suarez. However, Carroll is all brawn not much technique.
We could have possibly got some good value for money deals in say a Sneijder or VDV but, the amounts being touted for some of these players, am glad we aren't spending that kind of money
We aren't desperate as these other clubs to strengthen in January, so no shame in not buying now. In the summer I feel we'll spend -got the obvious GK thing going on and then possibly Scholes retiring and possibly no more Hargreaves (one of the reasons I think we haven't spend on the midfield because kept expecting him to play some role).
We are in quite decent shape otherwise. Some how believe Rooney will break out and start scoring again to go along with his very good all round play, Chichartio and Welbeck still growing as forwards - we have a very good strike force.
Still have an excellent young player in Cleverly that can possible fill in on the wing or centrally plus the return of Valencia, who is a big miss but, we've done admirably without.
We aren't hurting for signings though always nice to have one that can maybe give you that bit extra.
Any different to people going on about Hernandez whose done exactly the same, only having played less games, scored less goals and played in a much better side?
I've watched plenty of Andy Carroll and you can see the kid is quailty. He's stood out for a poor side and has scored goals in big games. Ive seen Newcastle play all of the top sides this season and he's given them all probelms - especially Arsenal in the league and the league cup.
He bullies defences on his own - even against United in his first game this season he was a real handful for Ferdinand and Vidic who are the best around. He plays a certain style and thats not to everyone's taste but he's definately effective. Alongside Suarez who seems to be a goalscorer, I can see him doing well.
As I said, Liverpool had probably paid over the odds but they've had to because of losing Torres at such a late stage.
So he is the best young striker in the PL for me - be interested to see who people think would be a better bet.
United perhaps aren't in that bad a sitiuation at the moment, but a new player or two in, as we'll no doubt see at Chelsea and Liverpool gives any team a boost.
Its always best not to buy in Jan unless you need too I suppose, but we'll be desperate in midfield by the summer so I hope they'll be spending a decent amount.
I can't fathom how he is the best young striker in the prem, after 6 months. He hardly set the championship on fire. He's scored 11 in 19 games in the prem this year. Which is great, but it's over much too small a scale to judge. Chica has scored 7 in 16 games, but realistically his minutes will be around half of Carrolls.
Torres offers genuine quality. How can you not see that? He has been off form, but he's still won them points they wouldn't have got otherwise.
Carroll is also a very physical player. He doesn't seem to be a player like Ronaldo or Nani who needs to improve. He's pretty much at his peak for height and strength, which is his two main attributes. For 35 million you've signed a player on six months worth of form. If this would have been done in seasons past such legends such as Kevin Phillips, James Beattie, Defoe and Zaki would all be worth as much.
Torres offers genuine quality. How can you not see that? He has been off form, but he's still won them points they wouldn't have got otherwise.
Carroll is also a very physical player. He doesn't seem to be a player like Ronaldo or Nani who needs to improve. He's pretty much at his peak for height and strength, which is his two main attributes. For 35 million you've signed a player on six months worth of form. If this would have been done in seasons past such legends such as Kevin Phillips, James Beattie, Defoe and Zaki would all be worth as much.
Panic buy
5.5 year deal done apparently
80,000 per week as well I heard a few hours ago.
Bingo
Its all relative - if he goes on to be half the player he can be over the next ten years then it probably won't be a bad buy at 3 and a half million a season. United paid 27 million for Rooney at 18 and £30 million for a centre half in Ferdinand nearly 10 years ago. They turned out to be decent deals.
You always pay more for English players because they're less of a risk than brining in someone who can't speak the lingo or who might not like the weather.
Hernandez was a risk which seems to look like working out, but for every Chicarito there's a couple of Bellion's, Kleberson's and Djemba-Djemba's.
He and Carroll are totally different players. You could argue that as an all round player, Carroll could be more useful for a lot of teams given the trend for one up top a la Drogba, rather than Hernandez being the Owen type goalscorer.
Done. Until Torres signs, Carroll is the most expensive British signing. Madness!
Yeah - lets watch Giggsy and Scholes retire and stick with Carrick, Gibson and Anderson.
The barest we've been in years. Hardly a central player who'd get a game at any of the other big four.
I told my Liverpool supporting friend a few years ago they'd be breaking the bank for Kieron Richardson in 3-4 years time. Little did I know
Hernandez has played 753 minutes (108 mins/goal), Carroll 1625 (148 mins/goal).
It's quite amusing you question how much football everyone else watches, then proceed to post rubbish.
Fwiw I think we definitely need more creativity through the middle, but desperate? You need to untwist your knickers.
Oh and Carroll is another typical overhyped English player. He is good yes, he has potential yes, but will he live up to it? I think it's just got a whole lot tougher with that price tag.
No, it is simply a case of the average Premier League club has more money. Their top players are worth more. Winning the Champions League is a lot of money, if the guardian is right and Torres can play, this increases their chances by quite a bit if true. Winning the league is also worth a bit, Torres is as good as a guaranteed success, I refuse to believe that he will flop unless injuries come back to haunt him. If Sunderland should sell Bent who is at contract they need compensation, worst case scenario in Newcastle's case loosing their best players is a long drop in the table, probably not relegation but they can fall a lot on the table, who has never been as tight as now. If Tottenham were to sell Bale, they would not stand a chance on the Champions Leauge, so he should go for a lot more than 30m-40m, as the Champions League potentially is worth a lot more than that.
They fecked up in the summer not strengthening their squad, now they have to pay for that feck up to have a chance of winning, that is what they are doing. It is not always players like Torres is available neither, if Suarez became a success he could change his mind this summer... Drogba is getting old, the best way to find a great forward is to pay up, they would save a bit signing him in the summer. When they lose someone like that, they have to get top penny, compared to Kaka, Zlatan and C.Ronaldo, Torres fee is no surprise, actually its perhaps the best deal of all three.
Is Carroll too stupid to be affected by this ricockulous price tag?
Discuss.
Discuss.
Dowie and Cascarino on Sky sports news now seem convinced Chelsea can win climb the league with ease and have a very good chance of the title. I never wrote Chelsea off like some as theres quite a way to go yet but its amazing how a couple of signings and they're almost favourites again, in hype terms.
Liverpool have lost their #9 who they worshipped and gaine Carroll to replace him. And to think they were laughing at us a few months back saying Rooney is leaving etc.
Liverpool have lost their #9 who they worshipped and gaine Carroll to replace him. And to think they were laughing at us a few months back saying Rooney is leaving etc.
Newcastle fan 1: "Wait, them scousers look more retarded than us by burning shirts"
Newcastle fan 2: "Not for long!!"
Newcastle fan 2: "Not for long!!"
Welbeck is a better footballer than Carroll, and will prove it here next year.
Absoluely spot on there. How can David Villa move for in and around the same money as Carroll? It is absolutely crazy, just because Carroll is English and has shown a bit of potential in the last few months he is all of a sudden in the same price bracket as one of the finest strikers in Eurpoe
The pressure on Carroll will be immense and the media will be waiting to shoot him down as they tend to do to all their players that they hype upNo sh*t Sultanlock.
It was either that and have money sitting doing nothing only for Spurs to take Carroll in the summer. Or take the punt now as money (currently) doesn't seem to be a concern for the owners.
I'd rather have Suarez, Gerrard and Miereles working off Carroll this and next season than Ngog. Other players like Villa, Aguero, Llorente were all no goes now and would have been no goes in the summer. Commolli tried.
Absoluely spot on there. How can David Villa move for in and around the same money as Carroll? It is absolutely crazy, just because Carroll is English and has shown a bit of potential in the last few months he is all of a sudden in the same price bracket as one of the finest strikers in Eurpoe
The Carroll transfer has to be seen in context with Torres going for 50m or whatever. The new owners simply felt they had to spend big to please the fans. Net spend is close to break even for Liverpool in the transfer window. I still feel they are weaker, but have more options up front.
A bit over the top? Make that £20m over the top!
He tried for Villa? Barcelona Villa? The man's an idiot then.
Sorry meant to say Villa was always a no go for obvious reasons. But others that were possible like Aguero/Llorent were no goes. Doesn't leave many other strikers in the world unfortunately, and our owners prefer younger rather than older.
Rio didn't play....
Next thing we need is to flog Wellbeck for 25mil to Newcastle and use the coffers to bring in a midfielder or two.
I watch plenty of football ta, and I'd be more inclined to question your knowledge of the game if you think £40m for Carroll(£35m up front plus add ons)reflects his achievements and amount of top level football. If Carroll, a striker who has not even completed a season in elite football is worth £40m, then what on earth are established talents like Torres, Rooney, Tevez, Drogba, Anelka, Defoe worth? Dress it up all you like, it's shocking value for money and whether he becomes a top player or not, the fee is massively out of kilter with reality.
He is a kid with potential, nothing more or less. £40m is a disgustingly inflated price to pay. You can argue his age makes him a long-term investment but Liverpool will be lucky to recoup anything in terms of resale value. No way on earth will somebody be as daft as they were and spunk more than £30m on him in the future, let alone an improvement on the £40m they've paid.
To be fair though, they spent £8.5m on Collymore and after two seasons of mixed success/ultimate failure another team was daft enough to pay £7m for him. I wouldn't be surprised if a similar thing happened with Carroll.
Or keep him and play him.