True. For the first time in a long, long time, the 2nd XI has no obvious holes. We can play two different XIs for several different formations as well.
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True. For the first time in a long, long time, the 2nd XI has no obvious holes. We can play two different XIs for several different formations as well.
Best of an average bunch? Untill two English sides that can't defend got torn apart by Real Madrid and Barcelona English sides were demolishing teams in Europe.
United still haven't conceded an away goal in Europe this season, and I do believe that Arsenal took a lead to the Nou Camp. And Tottenham knocked out AC Milan pretty comfortably.
It's typical "United put in a great performance against an average side" rubbish from a Liverpool fan. Any convoluted, twisted, bullshit arguement to avoid facing the reality that United are a team to be feared by anyone right now. The season didn't start with Barcelona 3-1 Arsenal.
United still haven't conceded an away goal in Europe this season, and I do believe that Arsenal took a lead to the Nou Camp. And Tottenham knocked out AC Milan pretty comfortably.
It's typical "United put in a great performance against an average side" rubbish from a Liverpool fan. Any convoluted, twisted, bullshit arguement to avoid facing the reality that United are a team to be feared by anyone right now. The season didn't start with Barcelona 3-1 Arsenal.
If you win the league, you're definitely better than the rest and I am not disputing that for a minute, moses. And again if you think this is a stella Utd team, I have no issues there. For me, it doesn't compare favourably with some of your previous ones but that doesn't matter as you only have to beat what's in front of you. And the competition isn't as strong as they were previously either for me. This is not something I level at the league winners - whoever they'll be - every year, just this year in particular.
The 'average' call was aimed at the quality of the league this year compared with previous seasons. It's been an average year in terms of the top team's quality for me. I am not comparing Utd or Arsenal with Fulham or West Ham with they obviously compare very well. Again, it's a subjective thing and people here such as yourself obviously don't agree.
Anyway, I have made the same point a few times now so for the sake of everybody's sanity, humanity in general and the children in particular, I am opting out.
Thanks, E.
Except this has nothing to do with Liverpool really and if anything it reflects poorly on us as you have pointed out and I have conceded.
I am actually talking about Utd or Arsenal in this little debate.
The same Arsenal that beat Barcelona at the Emirates?
Is there another one?
Anyway, I remember you from the newbies, SFraser. Very hot on formations and tactics if I remember correctly. Hope you're well.
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How exactly does only having one English team to get through the quarters prove that the English league is weaker when United and Chelsea were drawn against each other and Arsenal had the misfortune to be drawn against Barcelona. It's highly unlikely that any incarnation of Arsenal over the years would have been favourites for that tie.
They were "the best strikers best first touch in the world" away from going 4-4 on aggregate with two away goals if I remember correctly. Might not have been close to matching Barcelona over all but very close to going through.
A classic day of Sam making a stupid comment, tying himself in knots, back-tracking, contradicting himself, not answering questions, making strawmen arguments, and then running away from the thread.
This is the life of the Sam G in it's natural habitat, the internet.
This is the life of the Sam G in it's natural habitat, the internet.
It's Sam, he doesn't answer questions, the answers would be too revealing, not that we don't all know anyway.
We'll win the treble by default.
If we don't win the treble then Liverpool will win the "United didn't win the treble" treble. They've won it 11 years in a row. Incredible achievement.
Man for man it's a fantastic squad.
Injuries.
Everyone is back and healthy, making comments like this look naive or bitter.
I'll go with bitter.
Enjoying the feck out of Sam make himself look like an ass, though.
He usually scurries off for a bit when faced with stats. Thought that would happen after the CL stats but he kept at it.
Made for some very amusing moments.
We're hitting our stride because we've got everyone back fit. Rooney's bang on form...Carrick's looking like a player again, Rio's Rio, Park's Korean...and Valencia still looks like Jermaine Jackson. Basically our first choice eleven is mint. When you factor in the injuries and the Rooney fiasco, it's been a fantastic slog. Man for man, we're not far off the double winning side of three seasons back. I clearly should've had more faith in the squad...but heh, I love being wrong. Oh and the likes of Nani and Raphael have come on leaps and bounds too. I think Nani's been our best player this season. Basically we're very good. And that's a fact. Because it is.
I think people just can't accept that we're still good after selling Ronaldo. They were all hoping for the same slump as when we sold Beckham (not a direct correlation btw - there were a lot more factors in that) and now that we've bounced back after only a year they're just mad and disappointed.
But the fact is that we've plugged that hole with a more solid shape to the team, very clever purchases (valencia, hernandez, smalling) and other players stepping up. Simple.
But the fact is that we've plugged that hole with a more solid shape to the team, very clever purchases (valencia, hernandez, smalling) and other players stepping up. Simple.
OK. Let me put it this way. Throughout the 80's, when we were totally dominant, & United were pretty much at the level Liverpool are now. Manchester United won 8 (5 of those at Anfield) - drew 9 - & lost just 3, of the 20 league games played between the 2 sides. & what about those attendance figures. 54,000 against Liverpool. But only 31,000 in the next game versus Wimbledon.
Now you've got more to chew on, perhaps you can tell me why Manchester United, & their fans, haven't got a history of being a 'small time club' with a 'small time mentality'.
Are you really not getting what he said to that extent?
Poor redman, he just tries to turn every conversation into the 80's.
I bet he goes round with a Filofax and a mobile phone the size of his head.
Probably hasn't washed since the 80's either, that's how much he misses it.
I bet he goes round with a Filofax and a mobile phone the size of his head.
Probably hasn't washed since the 80's either, that's how much he misses it.
In the same season at Anfield: 25,856 V Chelsea 14/12/86. Next home match: 26/12/86 V Manchester United - 40,663
I keep seeing people bringing up United's attendance against Wimbledon in the late 80s recently. They were always our worst league attendances of the season. They were also City's lowest. They were amongst Liverpool's lowest too (34,000 that same season). People in the North West apparently never took to the crazy gang. With the 54,000 you mention for the United V Liverpool game in 1986/87 - it was a make or break game for Liverpool. You had to win it to remain in the title race. Is it not likely that along with the increased number of home supporters there were a lot more away fans than usual? You'd certainly have brought more than Wimbledon did.
Bindippers in 'we'll use the stats to suit our argument' shocker.
Other than the point on this league winner being the best of an average bunch I'd probably agree with Sam that United and Chelsea are not as strong as they were in the past, say 07/08, and would probably have the Arsenal of then better than now and Liverpool are obviously vastly inferior. So saying the top sides are not the same level of quality as the past is fair enough as I'd have 07/08 as the peak of the Premiership and for me the success of that year is equal to the treble as SAF greatest achievement. Using the days when the CL had three English sides in the semis is supportive of that. Spurs and City are evidently the strongest they have ever been in the Premiership but I don't think they are strong as any of the top four of 07/08.
That's not to say the league winners are average by any means. United, Chelsea and Arsenal are still top sides with top players and whoever wins the league this year will be vastly better than average.
Generally I can see an argument that the 2007/08 was a stronger league than this one just because of the quality of the top four and the fact that the lower teams were still pretty strong(teams like Spurs, Everton, Villa, City, Blackburn were all good sides then) but I'd accept that there has been a levelling out between the top four and the rest. None of this of course supports the view that this year's winners are average which is complete shte.
Individual attendance figures don't mean an awful lot unless they are put in the context of local rivalry,opposition, league position, time of season, weather etc. I encountered the " perfect storm " in 1989 when a poor United side played Wimbledon at the end of the season on a cold wet night. The attendance of around 27,000 was I believe United's lowest since the war. Average season attendances make more sense and I think that United crowds more than held their own against Liverpool in the 70s and 80s, even during our time in the old Div. 2
What cretins, I've just been reminded why we have them around. Scousers...
Isn't our lowest home attendance higher than your greatest?
Maybe you can furnish us with some figures to shed light on this question, seeing how you asked it.
A bad team with the potential of making it to the Champions League and FA Cup final while sitting top of the league. Oh how many teams would love being a bad team.
As a fan of Manchester United this kind of bullshit happens every year, and nothing is sweeter than winning as many trophies as possible.
It's that simple. It really is that simple.
Err yeah, I think I am. He's saying that Liverpool are gameraisers. I'm simply using the past to make the point that when it comes to treating matches against our fiercest rivals as a cup-final. The players & supporters of Manchester United, have proved in the past, that they are the original pioneers of that particular concept. Of course, some on here haven't grasped it as such. Whilst some might have, but instead they'll try to divert away from the point by either going off at a tangent about attendances etc. Or ridiculing my post because they have neither the intellect, or knowhow, to do anything else.
Yet still you were exposed as using misleading stats to prove a point, in typical scouser fashion.
A bitter blow to the man who prides himself on knowing nothing but the 80's.
& talking of people with little, or no, intellect. As if by magic, up pops Kraftie the clown.
What's misleading about Manchester United's cup final being against Liverpool during the 80's ?. The stats prove it. Are you saying otherwise ?
Nah the stats prove that the FA Cup was our cup final seeing as we won it more than anyone during that period.
1982/83, 1984/85, 1989/90.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
1982/83, 1984/85, 1989/90.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Well the one who said they were a different breed got it right
( possibly in a different way to how he meant it but still.....
Maybe species would have been a better choice of word )
Yup, you're special alright.
Certianly "different" alright.
To be fair, most of the responses in that thread (so far) are reasonable. Is Rawk losing it's idiot quota? (With sam and redman, maybe to us )
)From RAWK: I can't work out whether this United side are any good. They were one of the worst teams I have seen at Anfield this year; Stoke and Fulham were better, but they are odds on for the league and favourites to reach FA Cup and European Cup Finals.
Some of their players are cack, and they have had a lot of luck, but they must have something about them.
No they really aren't, it's clearly got something to do with Fergusons obvious pact with Satan. They're not even a patch on the United side of 08/09 or for that matter the Liverpool side of 08/09.
They'll still win the treble.
Pact with the devil
Some of their players are cack, and they have had a lot of luck, but they must have something about them.
No they really aren't, it's clearly got something to do with Fergusons obvious pact with Satan. They're not even a patch on the United side of 08/09 or for that matter the Liverpool side of 08/09.
They'll still win the treble.
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