Barcelona - a lot of moaning about them and some praise

I don't remember anything unsavory about our win in 08. We played good and won as far as I can remember. Don't remember any over the top games where we behaved like this (obviously) or any games that were gifted to us by the ref.

Was there?
 
I'm shocked by the shock being expressed in these threads.

Barcelona are sore losers off the field and whiners on it. They get away with it routinely in La Liga and seldom pay any price for players running after the ref en masse to complain about the latest real or imaginary foul. It's more surprising that they get away with it in the CL but Platini loves them and every TV show needs heroes and villains - and Barca have been proclaimed heroes.

Now the other side of that coin. if you talk to a Barca fan about the Rijkaard team they'll tell you that they lacked the killer instinct and, away from home in particular, they were easy meat for anyone who felt like kicking them out of a game.

One of Guardiola's overlooked improvements in the team was he gave them a way to fight back - instead of complaining (after the match) about fouls missed and cards not given, make sure you even it up during the game by crying about it, even if it takes a stretcher or a feigned blow to the face to do it. Don't let a couple of players hassle the ref, they'll get booked - send eight of them and most refs just look confused.

It's not pretty but it's been a characteristic of the past three greatest-ever-team years. They may be right, maybe it was/is the only way for a team that favours the small and skilful over the big and strong to fight back but personally I'd like to see the refs actually try refereeing it, including booking the whole gang of them in those 8 men mobs.
 
WireRed said:
They live in their own parallell universe, the fans, the players, the president, and the whole club from top to bottom. They can do no wrong and anyone who dares challenge them physically or tactically is the devil incarnate.

Xavi was at it again last night "this was a victory for football"...what utter self-promoting bollocks, the fact they needed a red card for the opposition(again)to create anything at all is not a victory for football, it's a victory for the darks arts of resorting to shithouse tactics like diving and demanding cards from the referee.

FC Barcelona...playing the victim, being hypocrites, and living in Real's shadow since 1899. Bitter club with a false sense of moral superiority.
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What the feck is this meant to mean? Conveniently forgetting Madrid's dodgy past, and their association with the Spanish government are we?

Give me Barca any day of the week even though they're both cnuts. Put the cnutish theatrics aside and they still play the best football seen in the last thirty years.
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
What the feck is this meant to mean? Conveniently forgetting Madrid's dodgy past, and their association with the Spanish government are we?

Give me Barca any day of the week even though they're both cnuts. Put the cnutish theatrics aside and they still play the best football seen in the last thirty years.
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The Barcelona side with Ronaldinho in the side were more fun to watch IMO.
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
What the feck is this meant to mean? Conveniently forgetting Madrid's dodgy past, and their association with the Spanish government are we?

Give me Barca any day of the week even though they're both cnuts. Put the cnutish theatrics aside and they still play the best football seen in the last thirty years.
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Don't tell me, you've bought into the Barca propaganda of being persecuted aswell? :rolleyes:

They are a club that will say anything to paint themselves as the victims and as the angelic club of La Liga, fact is they are neither.

9 European Cup's, 31 La Liga's, forever in their shadow. That's what annoys them more than anything and that's why they constantly play the victimised card.
 
It is interesting how on route to their cl win in 09 chelseA were left fuming at the injustice.

In the last round it was arsene wenger who came away feeling the referee cost him.

And now its mourinho feeling the same way.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Ronaldinho. That man made football fun.
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:drool:

Fergie, Fergie sign him up!

He was a joy to watch and he had so much in his locker. IMO (ok so im a fanboi of the chubby 1;) ), the difference between him (and Zidane) in their prime, vs Messi/Ronaldo, is that if the game was as tight 11 v 11 as it was last night, he would still have found that moment of individual brilliance to unlock a defence. See Milan at the San Siro for his ball to Guily :drool: (06/07 right?)

Anyhow, don't take my opinion seriously as I have a good old fashioned hard on for the chubby 1!
 


And they had the nerve to kick up a massive fuss and surround the referee demanding red cards... absolute cnuts. I used to favor Barca as well.

Xavi after the match: "football won."
 
Football did win. Barca tried to play football.

Both teams were a disgrace with their play acting, why the thread title doesn't include Real beggars belief.
 
Football didn't win, sorry.

Yes Real tried to play a certain way against them (much like Inter last season), but so many have said before that it's probably the only way to play against Barca and hope to get something out of the game. If you try to outplay them, more often than enough they'll kill you.

If they played fabulous and were fair with it, then you could say football won. Real hardly covered themselves in glory last night, but Barca were 10 times worse. I can't say football won when it was cheating that won.
 
The day someone snaps his leg clean off his body, and the ref books Busquets for diving as a result is the day football wins.

All I know is, those United fans giving Barca the benefit of the doubt, will sing a very different tune post the Wembley final(Arsenal fans will continue to praise Barca)....but some of the United folk on this forum are going to get a reality check, when the same tactics result in our players frustrated and then wrongly booked/sent off or the ref influenced to handle the match in a way that helps Barca out.
 
United87 said:
Football did win. Barca tried to play football.

Both teams were a disgrace with their play acting, why the thread title doesn't include Real beggars belief.
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feck right off, how on earth does tons of possession without creating a chance worthy of the name constitute a performance worthy of being elevated to representing the game in it's best form? All this "saviours of football" stuff that they like to peddle is a myth, one that is lapped up by Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime who think possession is the be all and end all. Give me a team that actually attacks with purpose anyday ahead of this dominant, one-paced style that seems to be regarded as the way to play.

Besides all that, there is no set formula or guidelines on how to play the game. Nowhere does is say that pass, pass, pass, pass is the correct and only way to play entertaining football. It's all just more nonsense from this snob of a club that everyone just falls for because they are angelical little Barca, do gooders and representatives of all that is good and pure. What horseshit.
 
I got extremely annoyed watching Barca play yesterday. It wasn't the first time either. All that diving and play-acting were absolutely disgraceful. What I hated the most though, was the fact that everytime there was a foul on one of their players, the entire team surrounded the referee. UEFA needs to do something about this, but they obviously won't.

Another observation: Their style of play really is not exciting at all. They spend 80% of their entire possession passing the ball either backwards or sideways just so they can fulfil their obsession of keeping possession. It's only the other 20% of their time that they actually spend attacking.
 
WireRed said:
feck right off, how on earth does tons of possession without creating a chance worthy of the name constitute a performance worthy of being elevated to representing the game in it's best form? All this "saviours of football" stuff that they like to peddle is a myth, one that is lapped up by Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime who think possession is the be all and end all. Give me a team that actually attacks with purpose anyday ahead of this dominant, one-paced style that seems to be regarded as the way to play.

Besides all that, there is no set formula or guidelines on how to play the game. Nowhere does is say that pass, pass, pass, pass is the correct and only way to play entertaining football. It's all just more nonsense from this snob of a club that everyone just falls for because they are angelical little Barca, do gooders and representatives of all that is good and pure. What horseshit.
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Thanks for that.
What the feck does "football won" mean anyway? So Real didnt play football no?
This feckin arrogance of those pricks is unbearable.
 
WireRed said:
feck right off, how on earth does tons of possession without creating a chance worthy of the name constitute a performance worthy of being elevated to representing the game in it's best form? All this "saviours of football" stuff that they like to peddle is a myth, one that is lapped up by Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime who think possession is the be all and end all. Give me a team that actually attacks with purpose anyday ahead of this dominant, one-paced style that seems to be regarded as the way to play.

Besides all that, there is no set formula or guidelines on how to play the game. Nowhere does is say that pass, pass, pass, pass is the correct and only way to play entertaining football. It's all just more nonsense from this snob of a club that everyone just falls for because they are angelical little Barca, do gooders and representatives of all that is good and pure. What horseshit.
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Barca didn't set out a team to defend. Real started with no recognized striker, three center backs and two defensive midfielders..... at home!

That's why football won.
 
United87 said:
Barca didn't set out a team to defend. Real started with no recognized striker, three center backs and two defensive midfielders..... at home!

That's why football won.
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Barcelona's defensive tactics is having the ball and doing nothing with it.
 
Godfather said:
Thanks for that.
What the feck does "football won" mean anyway? So Real didnt play football no?
This feckin arrogance of those pricks is unbearable.
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Real stuck 10 men behind the halfway line on their own patch and were putting in cynical challenge after cynical challenge. They wouldn't budge out of their own half, even when Barca goaded them by playing the ball amongst their backline. They showed no intention to win the game at all, and from a pure footballing point of view, richly deserved their loss the cowardly cnuts.

Just like we deserved our loss at the Camp Nou in the knockout round when we showed no attacking ambition whatsoever, so did Madrid. I remember every cnut and his dog saying we deserved to lose that game (with Barca putting out a similar amount of theatrics), yet there's an outcry when Madrid deservedly lost this one.
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
Real stuck 10 men behind the halfway line on their own patch and were putting in cynical challenge after cynical challenge. They wouldn't budge out of their own half, even when Barca goaded them by playing the ball amongst their backline. They showed no intention to win the game at all, and from a pure footballing point of view, richly deserved their loss the cowardly cnuts.
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It was their gameplan. Barca would have torn them apart had they come out with an attacking gameplan. You cannot expect every team to play football in an attacking sense. That, however, does not mean that they did not play football. All these nonsense about football winning because Barca kept pinging the balls left to right and backward is just that - Nonsense.
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
Real stuck 10 men behind the halfway line on their own patch and were putting in cynical challenge after cynical challenge. They wouldn't budge out of their own half, even when Barca goaded them by playing the ball amongst their backline. They showed no intention to win the game at all, and from a pure footballing point of view, richly deserved their loss the cowardly cnuts.

Just like we deserved our loss at the Camp Nou in the knockout round when we showed no attacking ambition whatsoever, so did Madrid.
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didn't know they include diving and feigning injury. and not just an isolated incident.
It wasn't football that won.
 
United87 said:
Barca didn't set out a team to defend. Real started with no recognized striker, three center backs and two defensive midfielders..... at home!

That's why football won.
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Diving jessy little shitc**ts and messi beat defensive gutless shitc**ts.

A win for football? Do me a favour.

Disgrace this game is turning into.
 
United87 said:
Barca didn't set out a team to defend. Real started with no recognized striker, three center backs and two defensive midfielders..... at home!

That's why football won.
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So what? For all their possession, they did their usual trick in the face of organised opponents of pass, pass, pass, pass, and never in a million years looking like scoring until of course, they resort to shithouse antics and the ref buys it and gives them a leg-up. They then take advantage of their own cheating ways, score a goal or two, and then get seranaded post-match despite boring the tits off everyone and needing another favour from the officials to get the result they want.

Football is about diverse talents and diverse tactics, if we all followed this blueprint of Barca's, the game would be boring. All this idealistic bullshit is nothing more than Barca's propaganda brainwashing the footballing public.

They don't entertain, they play a brand of football that suits their player's characteristics. Kind of like every other team in the World actually.
 
Snow said:
Barcelona's defensive tactics is having the ball and doing nothing with it.
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Real were far more defensive and negative. Your point is much is a muchness. My point was that Barca were more positive away, they tried to pass the ball, didn't play eight defensive players etc, thus football won.
 
United87 said:
Real were far more defensive and negative. Your point is much is a muchness. My point was that Barca were more positive away, they tried to pass the ball, didn't play eight defensive players etc, thus football won.
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Except they didn't create anything until they were playing against 10 men, thus play-acting won.
 
United87 said:
Real were far more defensive and negative. Your point is much is a muchness. My point was that Barca were more positive away, they tried to pass the ball, didn't play eight defensive players etc, thus football won.
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No. My point is both sides played defensively. Hence the incredibly boring and awful first half. Then Pepe got sent off and Barca had no problem going forward.

Just look at the stats. If Barcelona weren't playing defensively then how come the ball was in their final third more that it was in Real's final third?
 
WireRed said:
So what? For all their possession, they did their usual trick in the face of organised opponents of pass, pass, pass, pass, and never in a million years looking like scoring until of course, they resort to shithouse antics and the ref buys it and gives them a leg-up. They then take advantage of their own cheating ways, score a goal or two, and then get seranaded post-match despite boring the tits off everyone and needing another favour from the officials to get the result they want.

Football is about diverse talents and diverse tactics, if we all followed this blueprint of Barca's, the game would be boring. All this idealistic bullshit is nothing more than Barca's propaganda brainwashing the footballing public.

They don't entertain, they play a brand of football that suits their player's characteristics. Kind of like every other team in the World actually.
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Propaganda :lol:

So if Barca's 'pass pass pass' is boring what the feck does that make Madrid's brand of football?

Barca do entertain most people.
 
Snow said:
No. My point is both sides played defensively. Hence the incredibly boring and awful first half. Then Pepe got sent off and Barca had no problem going forward.

Just look at the stats. If Barcelona weren't playing defensively then how come the ball was in their final third more that it was in Real's final third?
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If Madrid are only brave enough to put one player in the opposition half, this sort of thing will happen a lot.
 
Snow said:
No. My point is both sides played defensively. Hence the incredibly boring and awful first half. Then Pepe got sent off and Barca had no problem going forward.

Just look at the stats. If Barcelona weren't playing defensively then how come the ball was in their final third more that it was in Real's final third?
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Barca were away from home and controlled the whole game! Barca had the better chances throughout the whole game too. Anyone with eyes could see that.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If Madrid are only brave enough to put one player in the opposition half, this sort of thing will happen a lot.
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Not really, teams who sit in their own half against United usually get battered, we don't endlessly pass it around in our own half.
 
United87 said:
Propaganda :lol:

So if Barca's 'pass pass pass' is boring what the feck does that make Madrid's brand of football?

Barca do entertain most people.
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Depends which Madrid you are referring to, the Madrid that turned up in the Mestalla and turned this oh so wonderful Barca side over and created the better chances and played the more attack-minded football, is more entertaining than what Barca serve up week after week.

What you and all the pro-Barca folks are forgetting is that last night was a 1st leg of 2 at home, an away goal at this stage is priceless and Barca at home are tough enough to get past at the best of times without that added advantage, can you not see the logic in being concious of that or are you too busy drooling over Barca's 47 uninterupted passes, the end product of which is usually tha ball ending up back with Valdes or one of their featherweights hitting the deck like they've been shot? That isn't entertaining, that's mind-numbing.
 
JezChan said:
So the only true football is attacking football. :wenger:
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So you like to see Stoke City's shithouse tactics shine through on a European Cup Semi-final? You don't want to see two sides going all out to attack eachother, to provide a spectacle? I bet you were the same type condemning Arsenal for going out of the competition like a bunch of cowards in the knockout round against Barca..yet you're getting all high and mighty when Madrid put 10 men behind the ball and resorted to cynical fouls without any positive intentions with the ball.
 
JezChan said:
So the only true football is attacking football. :wenger:
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No I never said that. The true greats of football are positive teams. Most people would agree that watching a team with attacking threat is better then watching a team with none. I don't think it's outlandish to say playing to score is the way football should be played.
 
Irwin said:
Not really, teams who sit in their own half against United usually get battered, we don't endlessly pass it around in our own half.
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Same is true of teams that play Barca. They've certainly been battering all comers this season.

IMO the only teams that have looked good against them are teams that really go for it and try to force them onto the back foot. I really hope we do the same if/when we come up against them. Standing off and letting them have the ball is suicidal. They'll cut you open eventually.
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
So you like to see Stoke City's shithouse tactics shine through on a European Cup Semi-final? You don't want to see two sides going all out to attack eachother, to provide a spectacle?
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Did I express a preference here? Read my post. I am making the statement that attacking football is not the only type of football. There is no right or wrong football, no good or bad football. Only football. If "Stoke City's shitehouse tactics" shine through, then goddamn let them shine through if it gets their team the result with thorough defensive effort and strategy.
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
So you look to see Stoke City's shithouse tactics shine through on a European Cup Semi-final? You don't want to see two sides going all out to attack eachother, to provide a spectacle?
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When has that ever happened during the latter stages of the CL or WC? There is beauty to be found in tactical battles and small details in games you know? "you attack, we'll attack" kind of games just don't happen at the business end of tournements, not that you'd know much about that after so long...
 
TheHorse'sMouth said:
I bet you were the same type condemning Arsenal for going out of the competition like a bunch of cowards in the knockout round against Barca..yet you're getting all high and mighty when Madrid put 10 men behind the ball and resorted to cynical fouls without any positive intentions with the ball.
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To respond to this later edit of your post - you just lost your bet.
 
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