Wow, that last one is quite a bit of work. Nice of them to forget their league success soon. Maybe if we get 5 CL titles they will make a banner about them having 7 Carling Cups.
RAWK goes into Meltdown 2010/2011
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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Lets take a look at some of the mighty pools European quests.
1977
1st Round - Crusaders 2-0, 5-0 (7-0)
2nd Round - Tabzonspor 0-1, 3-0 (3-1)
Quarter-Final - St Etienne 0-1, 3-1 (3-2)
Semi-Final - FC Zurich 3-1, 3-0 (6-1)
Final - Borussia Moenchengladbach 3-1
WINNERS
2nd Round - Dynamo Dresden 5-1, 1-2 (6-3)
Quarter-Final - Benfica 2-1, 4-1 (6-2)
Semi-Final - Borussia Moenchengladbach 1-2, 3-0 (4-2)
Final - Bruges 1-0
WINNERS
1981
1st Round - Oulu Palloseura 1-1, 10-1 (11-2)
2nd Round - Aberdeen 1-0, 4-0 (5-0)
Quarter-Final - CSKA Sofia 5-1, 1-0 (6-1)
Semi-Final - Bayern Munich 0-0, 1-1 (1-1) won on away goals
Final - Real Madrid 1-0
WINNERS
1984
1st Round - Odense 1-0, 5-0 (6-0)
2nd Round - Athletic Bilbao 0-0, 1-0 (1-0)
Quarter-Final - Benfica 1-0, 4-1 (5-1)
Semi-Final - Dinamo Bucharest 1-0, 2-1 (3-1)
Final - Roma 1-1 won on penalties
WINNERS
You can’t take away the fact that Liverpool’s dominance in the Domestic league earned them the right to compete in there European cup exploits but hardest part surely was simply getting into the competition in the first place.
I honestly believe it was a much easier to win it back then though because it used to be a simple knock out competition with a larger proportion of weak teams from poor leagues sneaking through by simply eliminating each other. Just as unfavourable teams can reach our domestic cup competitions the same could be applied to the European cup during the majority of the scousers reign. . I believe Shalke was a rarity who managed to peak a few times more than they should have, but other than that look generally at the high quality of the teams that have progressed to the knock out stages of The European Cup under the current format.
The modern day European Cup with better seeding, preliminary knock stages, 2 mini leagues, and a greater number of elite teams other than just the Champions from these leagues entering the comp surely makes a modern European cup win much harder.
United have reached 3 of the last 4 finals (and I believe if we hadn’t thrown last years quarter final against Bayern away I think it would have been 4 out of 4), that is some achievement.
I think they should be especially scared of their little 5 gloating. They know, that while very hard, this final card could be ended this time may next year.
Yes, may 2012 MUFC could also have 5. Therefore, they now know that Sir Alex will work tirelessly to achieve this, you wouldn't bet against Fergie.
19 > 18.
Yes, may 2012 MUFC could also have 5. Therefore, they now know that Sir Alex will work tirelessly to achieve this, you wouldn't bet against Fergie.
19 > 18.
And it was us who were desperate over all this? Look yourself in the mirror scousers. We have knocked you of yer' perch.
I'd bet against it, as no team has ever defended it. How many teams in the past 10 years have got to the final in consecutive years? United and Valencia are the only ones that come into my mind. In the 90s it happened quit a lot as well, with Milan, Juventus (both 3 finals in succession) and Ajax pulling it off quite a few times.
feck me, are we already talking about defending the CL trophy? This Saturday kickabout is a foregone conclusion, eh?
No it's not, which is why it makes his statement even more ludicrous.
Yeah, that's true.
Still, I'd say that the scousers are tempting fate with their "we won it five times" argument, much the same way they were gloating about their 18 titles. I mean that right now they face a struggle to get back into the CL while we are there every year...
It's a record that's there to be broken, if we win on Saturday and bring in some quality additions we might be even stronger than this year.
Er, what?
Er, both of you seem to think I said we're going to win, I said it's a possibility we could have 5 by this time may next year, is or is that not a possibility?
No, that's not that true, because it isn't a ludicrous statement. I said it's a possibility, that's very hard. I actually said 'very hard' in my post, accepting the fact, you know that's it's unlikely.
Both of you seem to have read into this that I'm saying this is definitely going to happen, which is your own respective problem really.
I agree with the tempting fate statement however.
The real purpose of the post was to highlight how fragile that '5' actually is, even though it seems like some unachievable feat, it's actually (at this moment in time) less than two full seasons away. Make sense?
What we took exception to was the part where you said nobody would bet against Fergie to do it this season and the next one, too. Most people certainly would bet against it as no team has ever defended the CL trophy which we have yet to win.
I meant that in the sense you wouldn't put anything past Sir Alex. He won the treble and has been to back to back finals before, so it's certainly something he is capable of. Obviously the odds would be immense, but I accepted this in my post.
And now some proper reality:
Manchester United
At the end of a messy season, at least the champions have taken their leave of the league on good terms with their reputation and integrity still intact. Quite right, too. The Premier League is a league which serves United well and, for all their faults and conspiracy theories, it is also a league that United serve with a fairness that borders on generosity. No other club puts in half as much as United still give back - which is why the English champions, as the leading champion of English football, should be well supported at Wembley.
Plenty will not see it that way, of course. Yet while the followers of their closest rivals can be excused if they choose to abstain, for any other Premier League club to consider supporting Barcelona would be a case of spite and nose cutting. It may be an exaggeration to state that English football and its premier division needs United more than United needs them, but it's a tight call and one which at least half of the league cannot afford to even ponder. Make no mistake, the good times would well and truly be over up and down the country if United opted out of a shared pool and sought the sort of preferential treatment that Barcelona and Real Madrid demand in Spain when La Liga's television money is split.
The figures are numbing. Whereas the club that finishes first in the Premier League - i.e. United - will only receive around £50m in television prize money, and the club which finishes bottom can expect as much as £30m, Barcelona and Real Madrid automatically gobble up more than 50% of the share in Spain. At the last count, they each recouped £125m in a league of two haves and eighteen have-nots. United, by sharp contrast, earned less than half that sum despite having the biggest fanbase of any club on the planet. If they wanted, they could come close to earning as much as the other 18 Premier League outfits put together.
Their acquiescence to equality isn't, of course, an act of straightforward benevolence. The calculation inside Old Trafford is that the club has more to gain, both in a business and sporting sense, from operating in a competitive league than in a version of the two-club duopoly that exists in La Liga. A third Champions League final in four years would indicate that they are right.
Would the wisdom of that strategy come under review in the wake of an exposure at Wembley next Saturday? It's unlikely, but even the most remote possibility of United breaking away should have plenty of league chairmen in palpations.
United they stand.
(from Football365.com)
Manchester United
At the end of a messy season, at least the champions have taken their leave of the league on good terms with their reputation and integrity still intact. Quite right, too. The Premier League is a league which serves United well and, for all their faults and conspiracy theories, it is also a league that United serve with a fairness that borders on generosity. No other club puts in half as much as United still give back - which is why the English champions, as the leading champion of English football, should be well supported at Wembley.
Plenty will not see it that way, of course. Yet while the followers of their closest rivals can be excused if they choose to abstain, for any other Premier League club to consider supporting Barcelona would be a case of spite and nose cutting. It may be an exaggeration to state that English football and its premier division needs United more than United needs them, but it's a tight call and one which at least half of the league cannot afford to even ponder. Make no mistake, the good times would well and truly be over up and down the country if United opted out of a shared pool and sought the sort of preferential treatment that Barcelona and Real Madrid demand in Spain when La Liga's television money is split.
The figures are numbing. Whereas the club that finishes first in the Premier League - i.e. United - will only receive around £50m in television prize money, and the club which finishes bottom can expect as much as £30m, Barcelona and Real Madrid automatically gobble up more than 50% of the share in Spain. At the last count, they each recouped £125m in a league of two haves and eighteen have-nots. United, by sharp contrast, earned less than half that sum despite having the biggest fanbase of any club on the planet. If they wanted, they could come close to earning as much as the other 18 Premier League outfits put together.
Their acquiescence to equality isn't, of course, an act of straightforward benevolence. The calculation inside Old Trafford is that the club has more to gain, both in a business and sporting sense, from operating in a competitive league than in a version of the two-club duopoly that exists in La Liga. A third Champions League final in four years would indicate that they are right.
Would the wisdom of that strategy come under review in the wake of an exposure at Wembley next Saturday? It's unlikely, but even the most remote possibility of United breaking away should have plenty of league chairmen in palpations.
United they stand.
(from Football365.com)
It's a bit off topic that, but I do think that the league should distribute the national TV money fairly. I take issue with it being done on block with the international rights. Clubs should have the ability to sell their own international rights. Nobody in Bangkok or Los Angeles wants to watch Wigan or Wolves play, so why do they get a cut of the cash?
It's quite funny how some of the saddo's on RAWK have changed their avatars to various FCB related pictures. Desperate times call for desperate measures ey lads.
I view this as a good omen. Inter was the last European team the Scousers tried to adopt.
wouldn't have much of a league without them though, While i see the point and that it would be very good for Man United I have to say I'm happy with how it is in England we have the strongest and most entertaining league in the world and the next biggest rival is spain and i watch the league over there and it's just boring I would not want the premiership to become a similar standard.
Few Liverpool banners from over the years:
(Says "You'll Never Beat That")
Pathetic.
Always remember that banner with all the premiership trophies on and the years they won the old division 1, The retard that made it must not have realised they never actually won that trophy just a equivalent.
We all knew that they would harp on about the 5 European / CL wins and they are in there rights to.
Just like the 18 League wins we over took that and we will overtake the 5 Euro's.
If they think that 5 Euro's means more than 19 League wins , let them. It wont be for long.
It just gives us something else to take off the bitter deluded muppets.
Just like the 18 League wins we over took that and we will overtake the 5 Euro's.
If they think that 5 Euro's means more than 19 League wins , let them. It wont be for long.
It just gives us something else to take off the bitter deluded muppets.
The most pathetic thing is that even when we surpass them in European titles, which we will, they will continue to chirp about how their red is brighter and better, how they have the spirit of football that we will never have, and how Liverpool FC is for some reason the ruler of the free world. It is a never ending cycle. They are a deluded lot.
You'd be surprised at how many different people opt for different teams here in Thailand...
I even know guys who are Forest fans, Hull fans etc...
To be exact... I think gambling is a big issue along with TV rights. Thats how I see the picture, even if there is not a top 6 team playing, I"m sure there are many ppl who just watch the football anyways...
That's actually not true here. A lot of people just watch any old EPL game.
Are United more popular? Of course. But the EPL has been sold as the EPL.
Is it lost on them that 4 of their 5 European trophies came over a 7-year period in an altogether different competition? I'll take the consistency of achieving over the decades ahead of a few years of "brilliance".
A blip, that's all they have going for them.
you don't honestly think that they are going to mention they have won only one Champions League Cup to our two, do you? no, far better to lump in the old European Cup ( which of course was very prestigious in its own right , but still entirely different )
the only reason they haven't seperated the league titles into division one and PL is because they've never won the PL and 12-0 is too humiliating even for them!
I'm not too fussed about splitting or not splitting. As far as it goes with me, when my Pool supporting mates say 5 I just dismiss it as a flash in the pan. That's what it amounts to, a flash in the pan.
That's a bit harsh, to be fair. The closeness of trophies to each other doesn't particularly matter. I'd concentrate more on the fact that it was much easier to win then.
Well it was, but you still had to qualify for it, but 12-0 and 2-1 has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
Well yes, but think of it like this. If that system was in place across the 90's and 00's, I reckon we'd be on at least 5 by now.
Whenever I watch an FSC stream, it's not Wigan vs Stoke that they use as the headline match, in fact they must show almost every United game. That's the point I'm making - how many United games do they show live in comparison to say Wigan games?
Perhaps, but I also look at it now and say the groups have gone terribly stale. Back then I think it was far harder to get to the 1/4 finals. But nowadays 1/4's and onwards are far harder.
Back then it was far harder to qualify for any now it is much easier. It really is a much of a muchness.
So it’s a bit silly for either side to take away from the respective achievements. But as of right now Liverpool are ahead on European Cup's. And we have no arguments against that. It’s all they have so of course they are going to hang onto it.
We can go a hell of a long way to making that stat look much better this Saturday.
Both things go hand in hand. Under the old format, it kept going in cycles of dominance: Spain, Portugal, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, England... It wasn't just Liverpool winning it, when they didn't Villa and Forest would. Retaining the trophy was the norm, both for club and country.
Over the course of eight years, the trophy went to an English club seven times. That blatantly doesn't apply to the Champions League, it would be unthinkable, and yet we are consistently there or thereabouts.
That to me is "continued brilliance".
Eh?
Liverpool got to the quarters in '77 by beating Crusaders of Northern Ireland 7-0 and Trabonzspor of Turkey 3-1, in '78 by getting a bye and beating Dresden 5-2, in '81 by beating OPS of Finland 11-1 and Aberdeen of Scotland 5-0 and in '84 by beating Odense of Denmark 6-0 and Bilbao of Spain 1-0.
Knockout football is often potentially trickier than group stages. This season we barely got out of 1st geat to reach the 2nd round.
Then again I do have a bit of an issue with the current format of the CL. I have found the Group Stages to have become a tedious affair
Totlly agree with you mate.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry, really... But it is then.
"Enjoy" the entire post, if you can stomach someone going on and on and on about how dignified and genuine and dignified and special they are --
Why LFC will always always sit above that shite.
it is then.hinesy @ RAWK said:
"Enjoy" the entire post, if you can stomach someone going on and on and on about how dignified and genuine and dignified and special they are --
Why LFC will always always sit above that shite.
A major part of being truly great is that others praise you, rather than you praising yourself.
Well, live they will always show a United game over a Wigan game. But most people on the west coast aren't getting up at 4 am to watch a game.
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