Berbatov vs Van Persie

Bryan_Munich said:
I disagree.

Berbatov is 'technically right up there' and I'm not convinced RvP matches him for awareness and vision either.

What non-technical factors?
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Exactly Berba's technically right up there too, but Van Persie is more two-footed, deliver's excellent crosses, takes amazing set pieces, is arguably better in the air.

As for non-technical factors, there is movement off the ball, acceleration in the first few yards, the greater determination and conciseness of his play. He likes matching himself against the best, whereas Berba struggles to impose himself on big opposition. Van Persie's been unlucky over the years, due to a) being injury prone and b) playing in a mentally weak football outfit.

I'm a Berba-fan, but most neutrals would just say RVP without hesitation. Berbatov's reliable fitness wise, and he comes in handy in the League.
 
I don't think RvP takes amazing set pieces. Most of his set pieces fly into orbit but the rare occasion that they go in, they're stunning goals.
 
B9 said:
yes there is. Berbatov is perpetually overrated by your lot because of his touch, but he doesn't do nearly enough with it to justify the hype.

Van Persie delivers the goods in all ways when he is actually fit.

One is a world class striker. The other has a world class touch but falls short overall.
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Berbatov perpetually overrated on the Caf?
You haven't read any of the huge berba-threads have you?

Whilst I don't disagree with the fact that Van Persie is better overall, however to say that he is a way better than Better and it's not even close are extremely daft statements to make.
 
No one posted this yet?

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Sharky7 said:
what? He's pretty fecking consistent to be fair, he's a cracking free-kick taker.

Odd comment.

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Really? I think he's deteriorated a lot in that field. I've seen him take a lot of free kicks recently and not score. The only one I remember was the one he scored after his dive vs B'ham and that too went in via a deflection IIRC.
 
Van Persie ,easily.

The only problem being that he is injured most of the time.
 
van Persie by a mile.

Also I can believe someone mentioned Berbatov and Maradona in the same sentance. Get a grip.

B9 mentioned he is overrated. He is by some to be fair
 
Brwned said:
It does absolutely but it's hard to factor injury-proneness into a debate over a player's overall effectiveness, I think. At the end of the day even with Van Persie's poor injury record and inherent unreliability you'd still take him over Berbatov if given the chance.

He's gotten 76 goals (and 43 assists) in his last 4 seasons. Not so shabby for a player who's fit for most of the season never mind someone with his injury record. He's done this in 124 starts (and 24 subs).
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It might be hard but I think a striker's resistance to injuries (or not) is just as important as any other qualities you might judge him by (heading, finishing etc.) Arguably more so, because no matter how good or bad someone is at heading the ball he'll score feck all from a seat in the stands.

If we overlook injuries, Louis Saha's been arguably the "best" striker United have had in the last few years.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If we overlook injuries, Louis Saha's been arguably the "best" striker United have had in the last few years.
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I really never saw that in Saha. Even when fit and firing I still never thought he was more than a good PL striker.

His touch and finishing in one on ones were very inconsistant, but then again he scores goals he has no right to score.

Could have been a very valuable squad member if he stayed fit. But no more than that
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It might be hard but I think a striker's resistance to injuries (or not) is just as important as any other qualities you might judge him by (heading, finishing etc.) Arguably more so, because no matter how good or bad someone is at heading the ball he'll score feck all from a seat in the stands.

If we overlook injuries, Louis Saha's been arguably the "best" striker United have had in the last few years.
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How can you when Rooneys averaged 20 goals a season since he arrived?
 
I loved Saha, thought he was a perfect fit.. mentally might not have been great but he reminded me of Andy Cole in that he could be forgiven for the lapses because he just suited the side so well.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Penalties are GOALS mate, if they were a God-given certainty, Berb wouldn't have missed the penalty against Everton in 2009, the only one he's taken for us.
What makes a striker is getting back on the horse after you missed one.
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When did he say they were a certainty?
 
Randall Flagg said:
van Persie by a mile.

Also I can believe someone mentioned Berbatov and Maradona in the same sentance. Get a grip.

B9 mentioned he is overrated. He is by some to be fair
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He is equally under-rated by some tbf. One shouldn't look beyond you in that respect.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
And Arsenal have had more than their fair share of penalties this season.

Re: Free-kicks. Can anyone remember the last one RvP scored from? I can't.
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Against Birmingham(A). Was heavily deflected IIRC.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Penalties are GOALS mate, if they were a God-given certainty, Berb wouldn't have missed the penalty against Everton in 2009, the only one he's taken for us.
What makes a striker is getting back on the horse after you missed one.
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I'm sick of reading this argument, that penalties count as goals so they should be considered equally. If one striker takes penalties and another doesn't then the former will have a big advantage over the latter when it comes to opportunities to score, based on the fact he is the best penalty taker at the club. Yes, they are legitimate goals, but they're not particularly useful when comparing two particular strikers, especially if you are comparing them based on goal tally.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
Because he says "but some of those were penalties", rather like Feeky's week argument a couple of weeks back with the same thing.

Goals are goals, either way.
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Penalties aren't certainties but they're piss-easy chances on a plate which players that don't take penalties never get.

It's a straightforward point. Doesn't really matter if you think it's "weak" or not.
 
KM said:
He is equally under-rated by some tbf. One shouldn't look beyond you in that respect.
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I used to go over the top negatively about Berba in his 1st 2 seasons. I will admit that. Although I think I was correct in some cases but perhaps over the top in others

This season I think all my views on Berba have been perfectly fair
 
Randall Flagg said:
This season I think all my views on Berba have been perfectly fair
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it is obvious that you think your views are perfectly fair or you would struggle to hold them consistently. i am not sure that is a discussion for this thread though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It might be hard but I think a striker's resistance to injuries (or not) is just as important as any other qualities you might judge him by (heading, finishing etc.) Arguably more so, because no matter how good or bad someone is at heading the ball he'll score feck all from a seat in the stands.

If we overlook injuries, Louis Saha's been arguably the "best" striker United have had in the last few years.
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Probably true. It's obviously a big drawback and undeniably one that's a big factor in manager's choosing which player to have in their team. Still, as shown, even with his injury trouble he's still contributed immensely season after season in recent times and I'd still give him the edge.

It means that you have to compensate by either having a striker that's capable as playing alongside him or on his own and still have a working system or have a midfield that can step up with the goals in his absence. It's a huge inconvenience and one a lot of squads wouldn't be able to cope with.
 
Berbatov is a top player but not at RvPs level.

Not sure how people can debate that.
 
Van Persie is probably underrated because he plays in a side who haven't won anything for 6 years. I also think being a teams penalty taker shows a strong mental side to your game, they are pressure chances as many strikers will attest, the longer you have to think about it, the harder it is.
 
RVP is top class. If he wasn't injured so much he'd be in the top 10 players in the world.
 
Fk me :D

Can anybody dare forget that incredible thread where some raving caftard went on for page after page how Berba was better than Bergkamp :lol:

Obviously this would be closer but I think a fit RvP is in the top 3/5 in the world

What was his name that loontard? 'Hiddink' or something?

As funny as it gets
 
Jopub said:
Fk me :D

Can anybody dare forget that incredible thread where some raving caftard went on for page after page how Berba was better than Bergkamp :lol:

Obviously this would be closer but I think a fit RvP is in the top 3/5 in the world

What was his name that loontard? 'Hiddink' or something?

As funny as it gets
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Man....

Why must you gooners always take things too far.

Why must the line always be crossed?

There's a huge DO NOT CROSS sign infront of the line but you casually walk over it anyway.

You don't believe that. No way. Top 3/5 in the world by foot.
 
Are people really saying Persie is not technically at Berbatov's level? Fecks sake, Persie is probably the most skilful player at the club. His first touch is a thing of beauty. RVP has got a lot more ability than people give him credit for..shame his legs are made of glass though.
 
Jopub said:
Fk me :D

Can anybody dare forget that incredible thread where some raving caftard went on for page after page how Berba was better than Bergkamp :lol:

Obviously this would be closer but I think a fit RvP is in the top 3/5 in the world

What was his name that loontard? 'Hiddink' or something?

As funny as it gets
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Berba has scored more league goals this season than Bergkamp ever did, and apparently goals are the determining factor...
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It might be hard but I think a striker's resistance to injuries (or not) is just as important as any other qualities you might judge him by (heading, finishing etc.) Arguably more so, because no matter how good or bad someone is at heading the ball he'll score feck all from a seat in the stands.

If we overlook injuries, Louis Saha's been arguably the "best" striker United have had in the last few years.
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:lol:

Saha was pretty good striker when fit but not really best.

And you clearly love Berbatov too much than any other player,don't you?
 
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