Incorrect, Hernandez run takes away Alves, without his movement Giggsy's ball is intercepted
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Incorrect, Hernandez run takes away Alves, without his movement Giggsy's ball is intercepted
Hey? The green smilies were all about you're view of Berba, not the United team? Are you a bit slow Wes?
You also slagged off Hernandez in there, good work. And you also think that without Berba and one of Hernandez or Rooney we'd just be safe from relegation.
Good leader.
who are you to say Berbatov would've made no difference? Give us a go on yer crystal ball, Mystic Meg
Re the smileys, eh, whoever scores the most goals is generally considered the best striker in the league. You seem to have your own standards - popularity by the sounds of things - most fans are idiots; you being a fairly large one.
Incorrect, Hernandez run takes away Alves, without his movement Giggsy's ball is intercepted
I was watching the game while full and probably have no intention of watching this final again at any point, and knowing Hernandez's movement I figured that comment would come back to bite me on the arse! Still, the idea that we couldn't have scored if we didn't have a Hernandez-like player is surely wrong.
So in 1999-2000:
better than:
Yep that's right, I'm the idiot, but Wes from redcafe, this lad knows better than SAF himself
Probably but we'll never know.
Absolute rubbish. His career for us hasn't been anything even near a complete disaster.
He's also still with the club.
Phillips was brilliant at that time - natural goalscorer. I think Sunderland finished fifth that year of the basis of him and Quinn playing together.
I couldn't pick one out of those four from United who were definitely a better striker than him - but as a strikerforce we were better overall.
Let me ask you - who's been a better striker than Berbatov in the Premier league this year?
I couldn't pick one out of those four from United who were definitely a better striker than him - but as a strikerforce we were better overall.
Let me ask you - who's been a better striker than Berbatov in the Premier league this year?
Rooney was allowed the space because the defenders were taken out minding Hernandez, this was the only instance this worked.
If Berbatov was playing, both Rooney and Berb would be deep, meaning the line of defenders would be much higher, restricting United to long-range shooting presumably...
Rooney, Hernandez and Robin Van Persie.
Rooney had his strife but was easily the league's best player from Jan/Feb onwards, Hernandez didn't make the starting eleven as a first choice player until Feb and RVP was injured (again) but scored consistently when he returned.
No, Rooney and RVP didn't have a great season OVERALL but my argument for a long time has been neither has Berb because he's done feck all since, whether that be his fault or Fergie's is debatable dependant on your POV...
Berba would have made little difference on Saturday - there was no silver bullet solution on the bench.
Has anyone actually confirmed what happened as I have not read any sports news post our loss.
I hope he does not leave but if he does I hope SAF has someone in mind to sign up.
Has anyone actually confirmed what happened as I have not read any sports news post our loss.
I hope he does not leave but if he does I hope SAF has someone in mind to sign up.
I think this is one thing that a lot will be divided on if/when he does leave when we look back at his stint. For me I believe his 1st two seasons were fairly atrocious.
I also try to put myself in a rival supporters point of view and I believe a large majority would reckon he was poor most of the time in those two seasons.
Then I also look at the point of view, if Berbatov had joined City and mirrored what he did for us in those 1st 2 years I think he would have become a major source of satisfaction for Utd fans and we would all have deemed him a massive failure and had a good laugh about it in the process.
But for the 1st 6 months of this season he put right an awful lot which was wrong with his career with us and if he does leave this summer I for one will be delighted he did eventually leave his mark, but unfortunately it the grand scheme of things it was very brief.
But anyway let’s see what happens. I said umpteen times he has to either sign a new deal or leave this summer. If he does sign a new deal he really has to force his way back into the side. A bit part role simply does not suit him and in fairness it is not something he deserves.
Spot on.
I have no problem with Berba leaving at this stage of his career. I don't think he has ever been the flop some claim he was, nor do i think he brings as much to the team as his goals this season have suggested.
The bottom line is united going forward will probably be better off without Berba and Berba will probably get more games and his moment to shine in a team that doesn't expect a performance every single game.
If we're going to sell Berba, this is the time to do it. He's had a great season and chances are he won't score or be worth as much next year. I'll thank the man for all he's done and for never being a whiny bitch about spending time on the bench, but I certainly won't cry if he or United do decide to part ways.
The bottom line is united going forward will probably be better off without Berba and Berba will probably get more games and his moment to shine in a team that doesn't expect a performance every single game.
If we're going to sell Berba, this is the time to do it. He's had a great season and chances are he won't score or be worth as much next year. I'll thank the man for all he's done and for never being a whiny bitch about spending time on the bench, but I certainly won't cry if he or United do decide to part ways.
Some you are great at making mountains out of mole hills. Berbatov could not make a bench when we could only place one forward on it. We all know for a fact Owen is the better sub. Yet we aren't as qualified as SAF.
Hernandez hasn't been better than Berba? Saf thinks differently, good use of smilie chief
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Whats so funny about Hernandez?
Fergie obviously thinks he's better too mate...
Typical. If he was better he'd' have been first choice from the start of the season. To say he has been better is the equivalent of claiming Valencia has been better than Nani this past season because in the end he started games ahead of him.Hernandez hasn't been better than Berba? Saf thinks differently, good use of smilie chief
The only 2 forwards in the league who have performed like Berbatov all year long are Tevez and arguably Van Piersie.
Rooney and Hernandez really came to the fore after January. In the first part of the season Rooney was fecking shit while Chicharito was a sub.
Exactly, when it gets important.
Van Persie is in the same bracket.
My point wasn't that they have been way better, but it's hardly fecking laughable chief.
I'd agree with the Chief here. I think Berba had a better season.
Hernandez played to get the best out of Rooney, not because he himself was playing better, and got us some important goals, but no more than Berbatov did.
Hernandez played to get the best out of Rooney, not because he himself was playing better, and got us some important goals, but no more than Berbatov did.
Bollocks, Hernandez has been consistent all season taking his chances, Ferguson realized this and simply couldn't not start him any longer.
And out of all these strikers mentioned, only Tevez was consistent all year. Rooney was poor until January, RVP was injured for a good deal of it and Berb had a lengthy inconsistent patch between Oct-Dec and again since Feb.
Bullshit.
He isn't. He started the season well, got injured. Came back and continued from where he left off.
Frankly it's laughable to claim that somebody who become first choice in the dying embers of the season has been better than the one who played the majority of the season in that role and finished as the leagues top scorer.
As I said earlier, think Valencia and Nani if you want to understand why it makes little sense.
Chico scored against Marseille and Chelsea in Europe and Chelsea in the league in the last couple of months of the season, I'd count these goals figuratively more important than Berba's...
Wrong. Hernandez took over as first choice because Berbatov begun to have a wobble in form. When Berbatov was in top form Hernandez was always on the bench despite his consistency off of it.
Bollox, whilst Nani was playing well Valencia was injured.
Whilst Berba was playing well, Chica was still scoring winners.
Shite comparison.
Hat-trick against Liverpool and winner against Blackbool don't count then?
No. SAF simply picked the team in the best form, that had also consistently been performing together in recent weeks.
Our first 2 goals were due to Evra ball watching and getting sucked inside - he had a nightmare. Giggs was not much better. The forwards were starved of possession.
We need to add to our midfield and to our attack but the major concern is the midfield first.
We need to add to our midfield and to our attack but the major concern is the midfield first.
No, you're wrong - Berba had another wobble in form getting toward the business end resulting in lack of faith in him by the manager who realized the law of averages from the previous seasons meant this wouldn't improve and it subsequently didn't.
Luckily Hernandez's form meant we were left more than sufficiently covered, bettered even...
Oh puhlease. Before Valencia got injured he was being benched by Nani. When Valencia finally returned Nani eventually ended the season on the bench, mainly due to loss of form brought on by Carragher's tackle. I dare you to tell us Valencia has had the better season and is better than Nani too.
I didn't say that, of course they did.
But they dried up; Chico scored winners in the title clashes, Berb didn't in this or any other season.
End of...
With him nothing Berbatov does counts.
Are you playing thick Chief?
Whilst Berba was playing well so was Hernandez, still scoring winners. Hernandez has had an excellent season, it didn't start in January
We looked far more effective with Valencia right wing than Nani, fine season he may have had...
Are you playing thick Chief?
Whilst Berba was playing well so was Hernandez, still scoring winners. Hernandez has had an excellent season, it didn't start in January
Away to Stoke and Valencia are two I can think of off the top my head. Both pre Xmas
This is why people think you have a standard set for Berbatov that others don't actually meet. Tevez scored 4 since February, in 3 games. Berbatov's scored 3 in 3. And he's had less chances to score. They both scored in just two games in November and December.
As you said Van Persie's only done it for half a season, Rooney's only done it for half a season and yet for some reason Berbatov's on a different level to these three...makes no sense.
Are you playing thick Chief?
Whilst Berba was playing well so was Hernandez, still scoring winners. Hernandez has had an excellent season, it didn't start in January
Dude, I'm not you. If you weren't acting stupid you would know I haven't said any where that Chicharito didn't have an excellent season or hat it only started in January.
Rather I clearly said that when Berbatov was in top form Hernandez was on the bench all the time. Regardless of how well he performed coming off of it. Only when Berbatov had a dip in form, late in the season, did Hernandez take his starting spot.
Ah now come on. Nani was magnificent all season until the horror challenge from that cnut. There's no way we were more effective with Valencia on the right at the end of the season than Nani on the right for the first 6 months of it.
fecking hell.
The ones Berb didn't play in because Rooney was back, you mean?
"End of"
I keep hearing Berbatov is the best striker in the league yet at the same time isn't the best striker at United.
I'm well confused...