Still not seeing us moving forwards in any way. 6 wins in almost half the fecking season.
12 months since Mourinho was sacked and we've arguably gone backwards
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With Mourinho we at least dominated dross teams.
Worst days under Jose were better then this shit under this so called manager
Worst days under Jose were better then this shit under this so called manager
"Arguably"
100% gone backwards
Like I said. Backwards. What do you expect from a mid to lower table manager? A mid to lower table team.
Generous
Yeah sure, we haven’t. Our fanbase is stupid.
You're probably right. He'd look out of place in the Championship.
He did look out of place in the Championship. Should be nowhere near a PL job.
6 wins in half a season and people were actually arguing against this... holy shit.
Much harder to spin going into Christmas three points behind a promoted Sheffield United and level with Newcastle. That is utterly tragic.
At least we play with smiles on our faces, no? NO?
24 points behind Liverpool with them having a game in hand 
100% backwards
Are you watching us now?
1 extra game and still can't eclipse the points tally of a manager who was trying to lose.
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But mate, you were knee-jerking. You were judging us on being shite for 9 months, others managed to forget all that because of one good display against City and that makes you the knee-jerker and not them.
Points and positions don’t matter. What matters is culture and togetherness.
Aye "arguably"... I'd laugh if it wasn't so fecking tragic.
There is no argument to be had, we have regressed massively.
I was wary of the backlash. So, I added it in after making the thread.
We are better when we can counter on teams. Much worse in terms of breaking teams down.
Last year we played like a poor top side. This year we play like Newcastle and Crystal palace with better players.
Last year we played like a poor top side. This year we play like Newcastle and Crystal palace with better players.
25 points from 18 games. Our lowest return ever, beating the next lowest by 4 points.
Jose was actively trying to sabotage the season last year and created a toxic environment before preseason even started all the way till his last game. Ole is giving his very best and has the team playing for him and has generally created a good atmosphere around the club.
With all that said there is absolutely no improvement if we look at things overall. Sure, signings have been better as have performances against top sides but the squad is far worse and so is the defence. That alone makes Ole's tenure terrible because he's actually trying his best to keep the job unlike Mourinho who was begging for the sack after the West Ham game early in the season.
With all that said there is absolutely no improvement if we look at things overall. Sure, signings have been better as have performances against top sides but the squad is far worse and so is the defence. That alone makes Ole's tenure terrible because he's actually trying his best to keep the job unlike Mourinho who was begging for the sack after the West Ham game early in the season.
Team performance has to be measured in points. When Mourinho was sacked United had 26 points from 17 games. A terrible record. This season its 25 points from 18 games. No question that we have gone backwards. I honestly think United are on a slippery slope to the Championship. Maybe not this season but next year we could be battling relegation, if this is allowed to continue in this current setup.
We will not get relegated. We have lots of good midtable quality players around and got enough money to buy more.
The decisions we made were great, until the point were we appointed Ole permanently. Yes, we are going backwards, and we will stagnate/go backwards under Ole. People will realise that once we buy better players and we still dont perform as we would hope. I am not even sure we can buy these great players with a midtable mentality and finish. That is why we would need a manager making some coaching and improving players, rather than someone needing to have the best team at his disposal for a top 4 finish and only playing counter attacking football. A year down the line and we still cannot play convincingly against one of the worst teams in the league.
We are much worse. If teams don’t let us play on the counter we are clueless.
Mourinho at the end wasn’t trying yet Ole is trying his best which is the worst part as we have gone backwards which I didn’t think would be possible
This is the problem hiring a club legend. The board will find it hard to sack him and a lot of fans are finding other excuses.
Cardiff didn't think he was good enough for them. Cardiff. Take your Ole was a great player for us blinkers off and everyone knows he's deserves the sack.
He's been an absolute embarrassment quite frankly. The coaching of the team is non existent. We only know how to counter.
Cardiff didn't think he was good enough for them. Cardiff. Take your Ole was a great player for us blinkers off and everyone knows he's deserves the sack.
He's been an absolute embarrassment quite frankly. The coaching of the team is non existent. We only know how to counter.
Keep seeing stuff like this but in the end football is about getting points on the board. What evidence is there to prove he has changed the culture at the club?
Apart from trusting load of youngster who simply aren’t ready at this level I have seen much difference to our previous manager. Our style of football hasn’t exactly changed.
His style of play wasn't to dominate teams and United also lost to plenty of games against "dross teams" under Jose and he was meant to be a top manager.
Watford (A) 1-3
Arsenal (A) 0-2
Huddersfield (A) 1-2
Burnley 2-2 (H)
Southampton 0-0 (H)
Newcastle 0-1 (A)
West Brom 0-1 (H)
Brighton 0-1 (A)
Brighton 2-3 (A)
Wolves 1-1 (H)
West Ham (A) 1-3
Palace (H) 0-0
Southampton (H) 2-2
Arsenal (H) 2-2
Also knocked out of Europe by Sevilla when Jose had that rant about how great he was and the league cup by the might of Derby and Bristol City.
Erm, no we didn't. We haven't dominated dross teams consistently for years.
How can you say this? Did those 11 player today look like they were playing for the manager?
You have also admitted Mourinho did a better job than Solskjaer even when he was trying to get sacked.
I’m taking the piss
There is no argument - we have gone backwards.
I’m taking the piss
You may be taking the piss, but there are some people who actually believe what you were saying as a joke.
Look at this...
We finished 6th in Jose's first season, but won 2 trophies.
In this 2nd season he finished 2nd.
In his 3rd season - it was a car crash and he had to be fired.
To even try and argue that we have not gone backwards, is sheer stupidity. It's like arguing that 1+1=3, with a straight face.
The argument I am waiting for is that relegation under Ole, would be better than 2nd place under Jose (with some crazy logic to back it up).
I remember Newcastle United saying the same thing. We are managed terribly at all levels. Stranger things have happened. If we can only get results again 5 of the 19 teams in the league then there is every chance we could go down.
I’m taking the piss
Fair play
United under Jose in the league in his first season and last year August to December was every bit as mediocre as it currently is. So be it Jose with a top CV or Ole with the experience of the Norwegian league United are stuck in a rut and the problems at the club are more deep rooted than the manager.
Football is similarly shit. Main difference is that atmosphere at the club and in press conferences isn't toxic. I suppose that's progress?