A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino

SquishyMcSquish said:
Liverpool will probably win the league this season, how much rotating of that front 3 do you think they'll be doing? Plenty in midfield/defence, but that front 3 will remain pretty much consistent every single game, they'll rest them in the domestic cups but not in the league, aside from the odd occasion. Once you find that winning formula which has chemistry up front you stick with it, you don't mess around.
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And pray or use nandrolone.

Liverpool have earned being top, but they've been riding their luck. The gap with the rest is large enough by now to be able to sustain an injury crisis, but that's one thing City will have on them going into the second half of the season. They can lose Aguero, Jesus, managed to get by without de Bruyne...

Of course, I'm not saying Poch should keep rotating players so he can create the right conditions for a realistic and sustainable league challenge. His priorities are elsewhere.

The concern though is that's not what WE need or want. I was a bit wary with our lineup yesterday but don't blame the rotation and don't think the lesson should be not to rotate. Ole of all people knows that was what made SAFs teams great.

Martial was forced (injured, who would have thunk it?) but Pereira and Mata to rest Herrera and Lingard were choices. Good choices, we should be able to win with those changes. Herrera shouldn't be as crucial against Burnley home and Mata for Lingard makes sense against a team that will sit back. Great opportunity to rest those two and keep the other two involved. Martial out meaning Rashford left was the main issue really (but then, Sanchez on the left has been brutal for both him and Pogba, we may need a LW backup more than we need a RW if that's what a Martial injury boils down to).

We conceded two soft goals, shit happens, we responded well, move on.
 
antohan said:
And pray or use nandrolone.

Liverpool have earned being top, but they've been riding their luck. The gap with the rest is large enough by now to be able to sustain an injury crisis, but that's one thing City will have on them going into the second half of the season. They can lose Aguero, Jesus, managed to get by without de Bruyne...

Of course, I'm not saying Poch should keep rotating players so he can create the right conditions for a realistic and sustainable league challenge. His priorities are elsewhere.

The concern though is that's not what WE need or want. I was a bit wary with our lineup yesterday but don't blame the rotation and don't think the lesson should be not to rotate. Ole of all people knows that was what made SAFs teams great.

Martial was forced (injured, who would have thunk it?) but Pereira and Mata to rest Herrera and Lingard were choices. Good choices, we should be able to win with those changes. Herrera shouldn't be as crucial against Burnley home and Mata for Lingard makes sense against a team that will sit back. Great opportunity to rest those two and keep the other two involved. Martial out meaning Rashford left was the main issue really (but then, Sanchez on the left has been brutal for both him and Pogba, we may need a LW backup more than we need a RW if that's what a Martial injury boils down to).

We conceded two soft goals, shit happens, we responded well, move on.
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Most managers don't rotate in the league these days. They use the domestic cups for squad rotation, maybe for the odd league game but it's very rare a side will switch out 2 or 3 of their attacking players at once in the name of rotation in league matches. If Pochettino has been guilty of anything it's actually playing the big guns in both cup and league games, for all the talk about him not taking the cups seriously.

Klopp rested his entire front 3 vs Wolves, and Salah & Firmino were benched vs Chelsea in the league cup.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Most managers don't rotate in the league these days. They use the domestic cups for squad rotation, maybe for the odd league game but it's very rare a side will switch out 2 or 3 of their attacking players at once in the name of rotation in league matches. If Pochettino has been guilty of anything it's actually playing the big guns in both cup and league games, for all the talk about him not taking the cups seriously.

Klopp rested his entire front 3 vs Wolves, and Salah & Firmino were benched vs Chelsea in the league cup.
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First half of the season absolutely, even in CL group stage. Second half at latter stages it's a lot harder and that's where the wheels come off. That's why SAF always had the second half as his strongest suit.

I'm not saying all three forwards have to be rested at once, you just tinker a bit to keep people fresh. There's absolutely no way we shouldn't be able to rest Herrera and Lingard against feckin' Burnley.
 
antohan said:
First half of the season absolutely, even in CL group stage. Second half at latter stages it's a lot harder and that's where the wheels come off. That's why SAF always had the second half as his strongest suit.

I'm not saying all three forwards have to be rested at once, you just tinker a bit to keep people fresh. There's absolutely no way we shouldn't be able to rest Herrera and Lingard against feckin' Burnley.
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Maybe not, but add the Martial injury to the mix and you're missing 2/3 of the forwards who have made the way you attack so deadly since Ole came in to the team. That's a big deal.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Maybe not, but add the Martial injury to the mix and you're missing 2/3 of the forwards who have made the way you attack so deadly since Ole came in to the team. That's a big deal.
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The problem wasn't Mata over Lingard, the problem was we had to switch Rashford left and Lukaku at 9. That's more unsettling than the swap.

Sanchez doesn't work with Pogba, which makes Rashford Martial's backup. That's where the main problem with a Martial injury lies.
 
He says in the future he sees Spurs being at the same level as Real Madrid.
Bless him.
 
Ban said:
He says in the future he sees Spurs being at the same level as Real Madrid.
Bless him.
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Well when he said FA cups are for egoistic, people accused him of being small minded and unambitious
So he flipped and he wants his club to get 13 European titles.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Well when he said FA cups are for egoistic, people accused him of being small minded and unambitious
So he flipped and he wants his club to get 13 European titles.
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There are many nuances between Everton and Real Madrid, to be fair.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Well when he said FA cups are for egoistic, people accused him of being small minded and unambitious
So he flipped and he wants his club to get 13 European titles.
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I don't think this is what he means.

What I think he's saying is simply that the infrastructure of the club is at a level that in the future he can see us being a side which can compete with the elite, and he used Madrid as an example. Not that we were going to catch up with them trophy wise.
 
Pochettino once again showing the grit he has installed in his team. The belief he shows in Llorente is amazing as poor as he is and Llorente somehow manages to reward him. Reminds me of how Sir Alex will entrust faith in some of the average players he had over the year.

Regardless, at least United look like we can get top four, so the appeal of champions league and depth in resources should be very enticing for Pochettino.
 
He is doing great and coping very well with the squad available. 7 points off first though, who knows!
 
Insulting another member
Amadaeus said:
The belief he shows in Llorente is amazing as poor as he is and Llorente somehow manages to reward him. Reminds me of how Sir Alex will entrust faith in some of the average players he had over the year.
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Llorente scored 15 PL goals in the season before Poch buried him, you absolute brown-nosed fool. What the feck is your narrative?
 
Amadaeus said:
Pochettino once again showing the grit he has installed in his team. The belief he shows in Llorente is amazing as poor as he is and Llorente somehow manages to reward him. Reminds me of how Sir Alex will entrust faith in some of the average players he had over the year.

Regardless, at least United look like we can get top four, so the appeal of champions league and depth in resources should be very enticing for Pochettino.
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Your profile says:

"Supports:Mauricio Pochettino"

Ok we get it dude.
 
It's funny that he has hoodwinked people just like Wenger did back in the day. Bin the cups and put everything in the league to create a false sense of progress. He's got a sweet deal, huge amounts of job security, one of the most powerful figures at a business worth 100s of millions, worshiped by the footballing media. I think him leaving soon is wishful thinking, the incentives are not there and he seems to actually want Spurs to become bigger since he puts so much into getting top 4 for the sake of revenue and exposure.
 
Amadaeus said:
Pochettino once again showing the grit he has installed in his team. The belief he shows in Llorente is amazing as poor as he is and Llorente somehow manages to reward him. Reminds me of how Sir Alex will entrust faith in some of the average players he had over the year.

Regardless, at least United look like we can get top four, so the appeal of champions league and depth in resources should be very enticing for Pochettino.
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Never realised how many pochettino apologists we had here . Llorente was proven goal scorer before your man got a hold of him.
 
minoo-utd said:
He is doing great and coping very well with the squad available. 7 points off first though, who knows!
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As much as I have overdone criticizing him, Spurs have shown strong mentality in the last 2 league matches and that is on him. If they somehow, somehow, ruin Liverpool's fans, I will put the support: Mauricio Pochettino too.
 
TMDaines said:
Llorente scored 15 PL goals in the season before Poch buried him, you absolute brown-nosed fool. What the feck is your narrative?
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abdo99 said:
Never realised how many pochettino apologists we had here . Llorente was proven goal scorer before your man got a hold of him.
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That was awhile ago and if you watch him recently he is very limited. Your argument is like saying Rooney scored 20 goals in a season before, so that means, he is still an amazing striker. We are living in the present and Llorente at the moment is average.
 
abdo99 said:
Never realised how many pochettino apologists we had here . Llorente was proven goal scorer before your man got a hold of him.
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Llorente has made 6 starts this season. In those 6 games he's scored 6 goals. So the fact he was a proven goal scorer before doesn't mean much, as it doesn't tell us much about his all round game. He's just nowhere near as a good of a footballer as Kane is. Kane's all round game for a striker is under rated. It's when someone like Llorente steps in you realise just how brilliant Kane is aside from his goals.
 
TMDaines said:
You can’t spend every season folding to an injury or two either.
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We haven't folded, we've won both our league games since the injury crisis. Coming from behind in both games, as well.

We lost a couple of cup games which is frustrating, but they did coincide with a bad week. We took Chelsea to pens so that wasn't terrible, really we've only had one poor result and that was the Palace defeat.


'An injury or two' = at one point all of Sissoko, Kane, Alli, Lucas and Son being out, all starters and all key players aside from Lucas who is our go to sub. We were bound to miss them and we did, but have struggled through in the league. Son today showed how much we've missed that bit of quality up front, fantastic game from him. Lucas too was great, so direct.
 
Still firmly in Poch camp :D
 
Llorente is a goal threat because of his size and because he still knows how to position himself well, that's all. It's how he scored a good amount of goals at Swansea, Sigurdsson on set pieces looping it to the back post for Llorente to nod in.

He's not a great striker and Poch hasn't ruined him, he's just 33 now and was never going to be a consistent starter for us (what? Over Kane?) so is understandably rusty. He's very, very slow and frustratingly clumsy which for top sides who want to play a fast passing game is a big problem. It was tonight. Kane is fantastic at receiving the ball and laying it off quickly, and we badly miss his link up play when Llorente starts.

Tonight Llorente was properly shocking for 80 minutes but fair play to him he's done what he's good at and scored a header. It was a similar story vs Chelsea, if you stick balls in the box he can nod them in. I still think we're better off going with Son in the middle and Lucas and Lamela either side of him until Kane returns, but llorente has definitely proved he can still offer something.
 
Llorente is a decent back-up striker, who should be enough against bad opposition. Against top teams Llorente is far too limited to be relied upon.
 
Amadaeus said:
Pochettino once again showing the grit he has installed in his team. The belief he shows in Llorente is amazing as poor as he is and Llorente somehow manages to reward him. Reminds me of how Sir Alex will entrust faith in some of the average players he had over the year.

Regardless, at least United look like we can get top four, so the appeal of champions league and depth in resources should be very enticing for Pochettino.
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Who else is he going to play as CF, Janssen?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Poor mans Wenger. I don't get this love in.

Would be a Mou'esque disaster at United.
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That's incredibly harsh statement. Wenger was tactically outclassed all the time after they went to new stadium. That has not been the case with Pochh.

His statement regarding trophies and lack of killer instinct to cross the final hurdle are some of negatives but apart from that, he has done and is doing a fabulous job with a 29 m net spend.
 
Patrick08 said:
That's incredibly harsh statement. Wenger was tactically outclassed all the time after they went to new stadium. That has not been the case with Pochh.

His statement regarding trophies and lack of killer instinct to cross the final hurdle are some of negatives but apart from that, he has done and is doing a fabulous job with a 29 m net spend.
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It's Arsene story all over again. Crunch finances, not active in chasing stars, Top 4 is the objective for financial reasons and not actual trophies which fans would like. He'd be a good fit at Arse, not at United. recent comments only prove this. Good oveachievere at a middling club is his ceiling.
 
Just two points behind City, inspite of spending nowt and having an injury ridden squad. Excellent manager.

People not wanting him due to his recent interviews should give their head a wobble.
 
Regardless of what people think, not bad being 2 points behind City.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
It's Arsene story all over again. Crunch finances, not active in chasing stars, Top 4 is the objective for financial reasons and not actual trophies which fans would like. He'd be a good fit at Arse, not at United. recent comments only prove this. Good oveachievere at a middling club is his ceiling.
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Recent comments irked me as well, and so did his team's bottling in cup games, and definitely that's where he is soft at, though his positives dominates his negetives by heavy margin.

It's a clubs job to provide money and chase big stars in this current era, and provide the manager with strength in depth. Wenger comparison is very unjust as one was tactically clueless for major part of ban decade in big games, he has not been exposed that way.
 
I don't understand this blind hatred for Pochettino.

He is a great manager who can get the best out of average players and of course brings through youth. Over the last 2 seasons, he has also been more flexible in his tactics and thus his record again big teams has improved - including great performances at Barca, Real, Dortmund and Juve.
And this season, Spurs have been without their first team mid fielders for almost the entire season and Poch has somehow brought back Sissoko (who was supposedly their worst ever signing) and made him into an in form mid fielder and Winks from their youth set up.

Yes, he is yet to win silverware and this will certainly come along the way. He certainly has the potential to be a great manager. Calling him David Moyes (who has no clue about tactics) is clear delusion.
 
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Wanderlust_09 said:
I don't understand this blind hatred for Pochettino.

He is a great manager who can get the best out of average players and of course brings through youth. Over the last 2 seasons, he has also been more flexible in his tactics and thus his record again big teams has improved - including great performances at Barca, Real, Dortmund and Juve.
And this season, Spurs have been without their first team mid fielders for almost the entire season and Poch has somehow brought back Sissoko (who was supposedly their worst ever signing) and made him into an in form mid fielder and Winks from their youth set up.

Yes, he is yet to win silverware and this will certainly come along the way. He certainly has the potential to be a great manager. Calling him David Moyes (who has no clue about tactics) is clear delusion.
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We could do a lot worse and we have in recent years...
 
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