Which is good. Who's shitting on Ole?
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Tbh, I'd be happy with a slow burn of a season next year and realistically, I think that is what will happen. We have had 5.5 years of slow and reactive football, under LVG and Jose and that will take a long while to fix.
Look at Klopp at Pool, he showed glimpses of what he was building and it was only the turn of the year in 2018 (he joined in October 2015, for reference) where his ideas were properly embedded and Liverpool looked like they were going somewhere.
I don't think it'll take that long for Ole because we have more funds to play with and more freedom to operate in the transfer market compared to the Scousers but a season to 18 months worth of bedding in for Ole will probably put us on the right path in the long term, much more than what the quick fix of Top 4 this season would do, IMO.
If we can get Top 4 and the EL, while going as far as possible in the cups next season, while Ole properly beds in his tactical set up and gets much more chemistry out of the players, that would be a fantastic season for me.
Why? Conte & Pellegrini won the PL in their very first season.
Among other things, they didn't have two teams setting a bar of over 90 points.
Haven't you seen the Ole thread?
This team is so bipolar.
So? Conte got 93 points with a team that ended up 10th in the season before.
It's a totally different league now, and Conte is the perfect example of the flash in the pan, quick fix who got a trophy and then completely lost it. We need to give Ole the time to properly bed in to the club, because the jump from Molde to Utd is a massive one.
10th because of Mou collapse but had won the title the year before...
Also he didn't have European football distractions. Only reason they manages to stay consistent IMO.
The entire forum from what I can tell
Dealing with injuries to key personnel is something all football clubs have to contend with, especially the bigger clubs who are challenging on multiple fronts, that's why they invest in adequate squad replacements.
Spurs wouldn't be in this position had Levy opened the purse strings and made the necessary purchases last summer. This is all on him.
Probably need tobeat Everton to get C.L next year. I really believe this is the end of this Spurs-team. Best defenders are past 30. Alli has not reached the level of a few years back. Eriksen might leave and if that
happens, how long will Kane stay? I would be worried if I was a Spurs- fan
happens, how long will Kane stay? I would be worried if I was a Spurs- fan
I find this obsession with points totals to be quite strange.
Only one team can win the league. What difference does it make how many points you accumulate if you finish second?
Yes because it is really the same situation.
. One is in CL semis and will ( 90%) play CL next year. Other one...well, he knows the club and smiles. Sure, sure, exactly same thingAgree with this they should have invested last Summer but then the notion of him elevating average players also comes under scrutiny may be he isn't a miracle worker that some here believe him to be but just a good manager who gets best out of some very talented players but he also needs good players to work with to begin with.
I'll rephrase. City and Liverpool are terrific sides. We're not getting up to that level within a few months.
Yes because it is really the same situation.
Poch did have like 11 or 12 points head start over Ole when he took over in December. If both had been in the job for full season, I think Ole would be above him (considering he would not have been expected to be worse than Jose was for the first 17 games and we could be just 2 points behind Spurs tomorrow).
Yes because it is really the same situation.
Also, been there several years with his own players and methods implemented. Other one, barely several months, with neither yet.
Yeah it was a joke...Yes because it is really the same situation.
What?
Shitting themselves because our manager hasn’t manager Barcelona or Ajax before.
If Poch had been hired instead they’d still be complaining.
Cowards every single one of them.
Yes because it is really the same situation.
Pretty cnuty stuff.
I'm sure Ole has got more points than Poch in the time he's been there.
Poch is a fantastic manager, in my opinion, I don't buy the 'overrated' stuff for a second that many on here label him with.
You're right, though. You can be the greatest football manager that ever lived, but there is only so far you can help elevate an average footballer. He needs to be properly backed in the transfer market if he is to take this Spurs side any further.
I'd like to see how he gets on at a bigger club, one that is capable of meeting his needs like Real, Barca, Juve or clubs of similar financial might.
You can't be serious. Why can't some fans have some concerns?
For what it's worth, Poch has done a great job this season considering the lack of investment, injuries and the form of key players.
Things can move quickly in football. There's not a defined rule that progress needs months or years.
Not sure why you're saying this? Conte didn't end second with 93 points, he won the title with 93 points.
No, but looking at our squad and management, I'd say it's very, very, unlikely.
Yeah, sorry, I didn't explain that very well at all
I wasn't talking about Conte or your post to be honest, I was referring to the Liverpool fans who keep harping on about reaching 97 and finishing second. Perhaps I should have said that.
Should be sacked now surely.
How come injuries excuse works for him but not for Ole?
Firstly, Poch has some credit built up. Secondly, I have questioned both managers. The Spurs squad is thin and the board are not helping Poch. Beyond that he is in a CL semi anyway.
This is a bit of a myth, Poch runs a lean squad because he chooses to, the money was there in the summer for transfers, not £100+ superstars, but enough funds to bolster their numbers with decent players in key positions.
He chose not to do that, so any talk of small squad size, injuries, fighting on all fronts, fatigue etc, all on him.
Just woke up from a coma since march?
To be fair it's not like we have had an injury free season. Half of our squad is injury prone whilst the players like Rashford, Martial & others have even been playing with injuries.
You looking at their books?
You're not understanding are you!! Ole has won more points than Poch in the premiership since he became manager. That clearer??
Poch again today seemed to pump his players up to the max and pushed then too far, we've seen this before against Chelsea, they lose their heads way to easily, lack of composure under pressure.
But I suppose that's on the players rather than the gaffer?!
Poch has spent money, just not this season.
Yes that means he did better than him since he got the job. Your point was if Ole started the season as our manager, we would be higher than them, which is pure assumption. Both are different points.
No,
my point always was Ole has done better in the league since he took charge. Read back and understand please.
Is Poch a good manager? Undoubtedly. Is he the Messiah? No. Would he do better than Ole? At the moment he isn't, but next season will be the kicker.