I like Poch as a manager but he didn’t do as well of a job today. Starting Kane would mean he has to adjust when needed and quickly. He wasn’t decisive in making his moves to make a difference in the game. He left his team out there to fend for themselves. Liverpool were there for their taking. Liverpool played one of the most pragmatic 90 mins I’ve seen in a while. Almost playing like they are afraid to lose.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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like starting an injured Rooney against Bayern Munich?
Yup. Moura deserved to start.
Damage was done the moment they conceded that penalty. Lacked that cutting edge.
Agreed on the above. Like him or not, that's an absolutely terrible decision as manager.
I've seen managers rush their star player back thousands of times for a big game. Not once has it ever worked. It's almost a rookie decision to do that.
I've seen managers rush their star player back thousands of times for a big game. Not once has it ever worked. It's almost a rookie decision to do that.
Bottled it again.
Damned if he did and damned he didn’t. Ali was the problem. They’re controlled the whole game and every attack broke down. Lucas 100% should have started but I can understand why he played his best player.
Hopefully Juve will look elsewhere now, I mean what was he thinking starting Kane, and leaving the semi final hero on the bench, Ali's status is way bigger than his ability, so he should have been brought off earlier too imo.
Just stay where you are Poch, a top manager ripe for the taking, when someone without one finally engages their brain.
Just stay where you are Poch, a top manager ripe for the taking, when someone without one finally engages their brain.
So by that logic Klopp shouldn't have started Salah and Firminho?
Everyone's talking about starting Kane, yes that was a massive error, the bigger error in my opinion was starting Winks as well.
Starting both in the same team was asking for trouble, both were so off the pace it was like Spurs were carrying two players.
I wonder how Lucas is feeling, I bet he's not best pleased.
Poch again showed his lack of experience at the highest level with them decisions.
Starting both in the same team was asking for trouble, both were so off the pace it was like Spurs were carrying two players.
I wonder how Lucas is feeling, I bet he's not best pleased.
Poch again showed his lack of experience at the highest level with them decisions.
Spurs were not in control, neither team had any control in that game throughout.
Allison was a bystander for most of the game until Lucas came on, Liverpool barely threatened too.
Wasn't really my point, but Kane was always going to play badly if he started, and surely would have been better coming on with 20 mins left when everyone was getting tired, Ali I just don't rate.
More to the point is that Poch is clearly a top manager, so I want him to stay where he is, as he's always likely to leave Spurs for a bigger club soon enough, and our need could be great soon enough in that department.
I feel quite sorry for him being in that position tbh. If he hadn't played Kane and they'd lost he'd have been hammered for it forever.
Unless Spurs won, which never seemed very likely, whatever he did would be judged as the wrong decision.
Winks was our best player on the night. No sure what game you were watching.
So do we think he’s not good enough again yet?
I do think that Poch made a bad selection in not starting Moura.
As someone on here said before the game, if they lose, whatever decisions he made will have been the wrong ones.
Not sure I believe you on that one! Son was better, Winks was lost at times. Not really sure what he brings to the table, but I suppose the only other option was wanyama.
Paradox is, Kane starting (probably) did not mean anything for the first goal. And after that goal, Lucas Moura or Llorente over Kane would have made even less sense.
I think Tottenham did a good game. That first goal ruined it a bit for them. But their game plan was fair. Not sure what people expect against a good team like Liverpool. In fact, Spurs dominated the game and created a few chances. Pochettino did this with a team that has been built with very limited funds compared to us and Liverpool.
It would be very interesting to see what he could to with similar investments.
I think Tottenham did a good game. That first goal ruined it a bit for them. But their game plan was fair. Not sure what people expect against a good team like Liverpool. In fact, Spurs dominated the game and created a few chances. Pochettino did this with a team that has been built with very limited funds compared to us and Liverpool.
It would be very interesting to see what he could to with similar investments.
Levy please back this man in the summer.
This season I'd say 7.5/10 top 4 despite the circumstances with the world Cup hangover, injuries, lack of signings and the stadium BS.
Semi Final of the Carabao and CL Finalists, I suppose though had we won something I would have given it a higher mark but I think 7.5 is fair.
Salah and Firminho missed a couple of games, whereas Kane missed the entire run in.
What’s the problem? Bottling doesn’t mean awful, just that the team came close and couldn’t do it.
So so many players and teams can ”look good” without actually winning anything. That’s what separates the winners from the bottlers.
I’d say bottling means it was in their control before they choked and threw it away. That didn’t happen.
It does also mean flopping at most important moments.
All their style went out and they were stuck to playing it long for major part of the game.
I would even say this is the more correct definition than ”dominating but losing”. If you genuinely dominate but lose to a faulty penalty or whatever, that’s not really bottling. Chelsea didn’t bottle their semifinal against Barcelona in 2009.
Liverpool didn't do much either. Players were stiff and it was a hot day, I don't think they bottled it when the difference was still an individual error in the first 30 seconds. That's just where it becomes a bandwagon comment like "lulz Spurs bottled it again". No one can really point fingers to them when they came back from behind in loads of games to make the final. Shows they aren't really bottles.
Yeah as expected too many people are putting far too much importance on the decision to start Kane.
He wasn't great, but he was no worse than our other attackers. Won a couple of free kicks, played a couple of very good passes, he saw none of the ball in the attacking third because our build up play in the final third was non-existent.
Starting Lucas would have changed nothing. Sissoko still gives away a ridiculous pen in the first minutes, we still shit ourselves when we cross the halfway line, Trippier still bitches out of doing anything going forward.
He wasn't great, but he was no worse than our other attackers. Won a couple of free kicks, played a couple of very good passes, he saw none of the ball in the attacking third because our build up play in the final third was non-existent.
Starting Lucas would have changed nothing. Sissoko still gives away a ridiculous pen in the first minutes, we still shit ourselves when we cross the halfway line, Trippier still bitches out of doing anything going forward.
As for the 'bottling' comments, none of them are remotely accurate when discussing Poch.
Some of the players, though? Yeah I'll accept it. They looked very, very nervous in the final third and weren't themselves. They let the occasion get to them.
Some of the players, though? Yeah I'll accept it. They looked very, very nervous in the final third and weren't themselves. They let the occasion get to them.
I’m sure these Liverpool fans don’t mean to be patronising but it all adds to the feeling that Spurs were just “happy to be there”
Basically this. LFC fans on here weren't wumming when we prayed that Kane started in that heat because it would mean no Moura. He has the same star power that Gerrard did under Rodgers which set us back a few seasons. And Rooney did at Utd which screwed their plans up for a while too.
Can't blame Kane as its a CL ffs. But the manager needs to make the decisions. I would have bricked it a lot more if Moura started.
So a team could reach so many finals compared to a team who constantly gets knocked out in earlier rounds and they'd be considered to be worse bottler a then the other team doing f all? Give over
I find it a little amusing that people have such differing opinions on similar matters. We played a bunch of similar games towards the latter parts of the season against teams such as Arsenal, Barcelona and Wolves and most people felt that we played well in these games. However, when agendas and narratives matter, we're crucifying Spurs for playing the way they did yesterday. Liverpool were pretty shit yesterday and extremely fortunate to win the penalty so early on. Spurs - they huffed and puffed but it took till the last 10 minutes for them to get going.
I've no issues with Kane starting last night - I would have started him too and I don't think it made much of a difference anyway as the entire team just never really got going. Incredibly frustrating though as Liverpool were piss poor on the night also so we could/should have done a lot better.
So a team could reach so many finals compared to a team who constantly gets knocked out in earlier rounds and they'd be considered to be worse bottler a then the other team doing f all? Give over
Of course. Learn the definition of bottler. Again, it doesn’t reflect so much on the underlying quality of the team as much as their ability to perform when the chips are down.
If Watford finish 10th five seasons in a row, they’ve never really bottled anything. They’ve just been average.
Irrespective of the outcome of yesterday's game, this man is a top manager. There is no doubt about that and he knows it. I tend to think that he may well leave Spurs in the weeks to come and take a year out. That will put the likes of Manchester United, Barcelona and Paris St Germain on notice. I will be truly astonished if, come the start of the 2020/21 season, Pochettino is not managing one of the above-mentioned sides. Indeed it would not surprise me if, in the event that he does quit Spurs, he is contacted by a top club to remain on 'gardening leave' until further notice. We know it happens in football and Pochettino is a manager whose stock is pretty high at the moment.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if he “Does a Guardiola”.
It's an idiotic term.
I was referring to the comment that he should have started Lucas for what he did against Ajax. Same logic that Origi should have started because of what he did against Barcelona, and apparently it was also touch and go as to whether or not Firminho would be available. Both Klopp and Poch had decisions to make, and made it off a 3 week period of training we didn't see, and it's easy to use hindsight and criticize the loser.
Saying he bottled it is ridiculous. They went down after two minutes and Klopp made Pool play like how you should against an individually inferior team by sitting very deep, just like how Pep did against Pool in Anfield and how Mou played against them last season. He maybe should have started with Moura but it's hard to drop Kane from a final no matter what.