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Definite improvement from the Sand Snakes in this episode, completely changed my mind about them. Although this season is suffering from a serious lack of Doran, can't believe we're 7 episodes in and he has barely appeared.
 
Yeah, the Sand Snakes are awesome, always knew it.

I'm not serious, obviously. They're awful.
I'm not serious, obviously. They're shit.

 
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Because she had a nice pair? That dialogue between her and Bronn was leaked somewhere on the net a year ago, surprising that the kept it virtually the same.
 
This season has been terrible. Jaime going on the most pointless rescue operation. To top it, the whole thing with sand snakes has been so weak. Only the writers know where they are taking the sansa story line. I imagine they will make the Lady Stoneheart to make the woah effect in the series finale to satiate the fans and maybe some more white walkers.
It was good to see the return of Jaqen H'ghar character, and the advancement of Tyrion's story towards meeting Daenerys. Overall, the standards in the story have dropped a lot. It's really a shame since they have so much story at their disposal. They could have retained so much from the book instead of their pointless changes.
 
Just seen the episode. Thought some real shit had gone down with the sand snakes given some of the posts. Just a nice pair of tits...

Liked the Tyrion/Dany/Jorah scenes. Interesting to see how that plays out. Everyone speaking English is off putting though. They even swear in Engligh.

Don't understand why Sansa was standing up to Ramsay now:confused: It's like they can't make their mind up what to do with her. Didn't understand how Ramsay found about that old lady either. That aside I thought the winter storms were depicted very well.

The High sparrow is excellent and has been throughout the season. Had a nice chuckle at Cersie digging herself into a nice big hole.

All Stannis scenes are excellent until Melisandre pops up with her crap. It would be appalling writing if they have him sacrifice her after that nice moment they had earlier in the season.

Why did Jon leave Ghost behind? Makes no sense to me. Next episode is supposed to be the episode. Looking forward to it.
 
Stannis' arc for the future does looks pretty grim. If they do something silly with it, it would really kill off huge levels of support for the show.
 
I echo the thoughts above.

Also, why did they give Bronn the antidote?

Maybe Bronn will take the role of Arys Oakheart and help the Sand Snakes kidnap Mrycella. However they don't look as if they are going to have Mrycella lose one of her ears so that looks unlikely.
 
That big fella that broke Tyrions' chains, any chance that could be whatshisname???

She gave Bronn the anti-dote because it's Bronn ffs, he's awesome... Or more likely they think they may have a use for him, they are both locked up in the same jail after all.
 
So, what power does the High Sparrow actually have over the crown?
 
That wasn't so bad. Was fearing that Jorah and Tyrion meeting Daenerys would take another episode or 2.

Lots of complaints in the other thread that the ending with Cersei was too obvious, but I don't think it was really supposed to be a shock. The scene works because you can see it coming and Cersei can't. People are too harsh on Tommen too, it's not his fault he's shit!

There going to need a big pay-off to justify the amount of misery they're heaping on with Sansa's storyline. Redemption for Theon would be bullshit after that.
 
That wasn't so bad. Was fearing that Jorah and Tyrion meeting Daenerys would take another episode or 2.

Lots of complaints in the other thread that the ending with Cersei was too obvious, but I don't think it was really supposed to be a shock. The scene works because you can see it coming and Cersei can't. People are too harsh on Tommen too, it's not his fault he's shit!

There going to need a big pay-off to justify the amount of misery they're heaping on with Sansa's storyline. Redemption for Theon would be bullshit after that.

I guess it'll be like the books where he's sort of forced to help Sansa escape, probably by Brienne. Also, the arrival of "King" Balon's blood into Stannis' camp might keep Shireen alive a bit longer.

The thought occurs to me though: if we assume that the other Greyjoys have been cut from the TV show then is there anything really stopping them from killing Theon off?
 
Almost nothing about that episode that I enjoyed. So much filler crap. Jamie, Bronn, Sam, Jon Snow, Danaerys bedtime scene. Why do they even have scenes with her in those scenarios anymore? She showed her tits, she doesn't anymore whilst everyone else does. Really takes away from the reality of the show. Yes, now I must hold the covers to my bosom.

Ending was terrible. Why on Earth wasn't Cersei the first one to be locked up? Did Lancel only just confess? Hardly. She should have been taken first.

So many plotholes with all the stuff that strays from the books. It's turning into the Walking Dead without having anything to laugh at.
 
Almost nothing about that episode that I enjoyed. So much filler crap. Jamie, Bronn, Sam, Jon Snow, Danaerys bedtime scene. Why do they even have scenes with her in those scenarios anymore? She showed her tits, she doesn't anymore whilst everyone else does. Really takes away from the reality of the show. Yes, now I must hold the covers to my bosom.

Ending was terrible. Why on Earth wasn't Cersei the first one to be locked up? Did Lancel only just confess? Hardly. She should have been taken first.

So many plotholes with all the stuff that strays from the books. It's turning into the Walking Dead without having anything to laugh at.
Yeah ignore the fecking 25 foot tall dragons, her keeping her tits covered really takes away the realistic feeling.
 
That wasn't so bad. Was fearing that Jorah and Tyrion meeting Daenerys would take another episode or 2.

Lots of complaints in the other thread that the ending with Cersei was too obvious, but I don't think it was really supposed to be a shock. The scene works because you can see it coming and Cersei can't. People are too harsh on Tommen too, it's not his fault he's shit!

There going to need a big pay-off to justify the amount of misery they're heaping on with Sansa's storyline. Redemption for Theon would be bullshit after that.

Yeah, that was always the point of her storyline in AFFC. She's clearly a bit mental and the reader can see she's heading for a fall, which is made all the more entertaining by the fact that she's completely oblivious to the fact. I suppose that's harder to convey in a TV show though.
 
I suppose that's harder to convey in a TV show though.

Almost impossible I'd say. I suppose book readers can often forget how much of the books is written in internal monologues and how hard it can be to translate that into a visual medium. The Reek arc is nowhere near as good in the show but I'm not sure what else they could have done to improve them.

Still, some of their inconsistencies are inexcusable and shows a distinct lack of planning. I thought it was hilarious how they completely skipped over the fact that Melisandre had done that leach thing for Balon as well in her little pep talk to Stannis.
 
So, Sansa is currently married to both Tyrion and Ramsey in the show, right?
 
Emilia Clarke has a contract on the number of times her tits can be on screen.
I know. It's a shitty contract. It's HBO. We're used to seeing people doing it on PG shows and movies but it's just so stupid to see in this world. I mean there's a city where every woman walks around in clothes bearing one tit yet here she is covering up her shame in front of the guy she's fecking.

It's a very minor thing but a lot in this show now annoys me and so I'm even more sensitive towards stupid stuff like that.
 
So, Sansa is currently married to both Tyrion and Ramsey in the show, right?
It doesn't count as a proper marriage without them shagging on the night so I think the Tyrion one is null and void.
On one hand she was married via the Seven. On the other she was married via the Old Gods. If the marriage in Seven world wasn't consummated you can ask to have it annulled.

Basically it's another plot hole and she's married to both.
 
Someone in the tv thread thinks Arya is going to kill Trant, as he's on her list and heading to Braavos. Nice work for that thread when you consider "Loren" etc.
 
What happened to him in the books?

You don't find out until the next book, unless you've read the chapters that GRRM has released on the interwebs?

Arya spots him when she's disguised as a mummer. She ends his life.
 
You don't find out until the next book, unless you've read the chapters that GRRM has released on the interwebs?

Arya spots him when she's disguised as a mummer. She ends his life.
I might have, just don't remember. Was that the reason for her punishment?
 
I might have, just don't remember. Was that the reason for her punishment?
He was on her list for like forever, I think because he beat Sansa in the Great Hall when Joffrey told him so.
 
He was on her list for like forever, I think because he beat Sansa in the Great Hall when Joffrey told him so.
Yeah, I know he was her target. It was for killing Syrio Forel though, not beating Sansa. I remember she got punished (blinded) because of something she did. I was asking if that was it - killing Trant? Or was it something else?
 
Yeah, I know he was her target. It was for killing Syrio Forel though, not beating Sansa. I remember she got punished (blinded) because of something she did. I was asking if that was it - killing Trant? Or was it something else?
Sorry, I read the question wrong, thought you were asking why she punished him :D No idea about that tbh.
 
Yeah, I know he was her target. It was for killing Syrio Forel though, not beating Sansa. I remember she got punished (blinded) because of something she did. I was asking if that was it - killing Trant? Or was it something else?

No, that was part of her training. She killed Trant after that.
 
You do realise Reek/theon was in the room right? The guy who Sansa and the rest of westeros thinks killed her two younger brothers. In Westeros power is everything so when your only options are agree to unpleasant and sometimes torturous sex with your husband or strangers for fear of worse consequences then it's rape.

The outrage is not because horrific shit happens, like you said it happens all the time on the show or in the books. The outrage as I saw it was that what happened made Sansa once again a powerless helpless victim. Her arc with littlefinger was supposed to have a purpose, she was learning the game so to speak. The shortcuts the show chooses to use, makes character motivations a bit muddy. If Sansa was really Littlefingers pedo crush and Cat replacement why would he get her to marry the most sadistic guy he could find. I don't think book LF would have done that because it conflicts with his end game and motivations. So my outrage is more at bad storytelling and taking shortcuts than OMG bad stuff happened to pretty innocent Sansa ( I agree there is some of this in the outrage but i don't speak for nutters)

I don't really disagree with you. I think this twist with Sansa is stupid. However, once they decided to kill a bunch of people off in the books they sort of truncated this story arc that involved a bunch of the primary characters. I'm not sure where it's going, not sure why they chose to do this etc. I don't particularly care for it. I thought the book story was much better so far. Things are changing rapidly now though, so I guess we gotta hold onto our hats and see what happens.