Well you obviously didn't learn anything from it if you think high tackles are acceptable. If your feet are up you're going cause damage sooner or later.
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Sweet lord, you'd have thought the lad was dead.
I truly hope he gets better, and unlike some other sentiments in this thread, I hope he comes back and achieves his full potential because he's gonna be a special player. I still rue the fact that we didn't sign him. Well, he didn't join, but you get the point.
Regardless of all that though, this thread is a bit of a joke. Count Duckula is (in my eyes) correct when he says that people are overreacting - he's broken his leg. Ok, it's horrific in any sense, and it's even more poignant on the basis that he's a football player but I'm willing to bet that Arsenal's medical team is y'know... decent. It's not like he's at a cash-strapped club where they'll cheap out on his medical costs.
Beyond that, even, it's not life-threatening and he's at an age where it should heal well. I don't know if it's actually true but am I right in saying that broken bones at these ages actually heal back stronger?
Disappointed in Wenger though. It was clearly an accident, and I can understand him being upset but you have to earn the right to do some things. For example, if he wants to claim that this tackle was disgusting, then he needs to do the same about Gallas'. It's sickening but the phrase is true: What goes around comes around.
I really rate Ramsey, and he seems like a really nice guy as well (I'm a year younger than him) but it's sad that it seems as though he's the latest one paying for Arsenal's bad karma. Wenger was fine with his players smacking Ruud about. Seriously, I'm sad that this has had to happen and none of my frustrations are directed at Aaron, but Wenger deserves this. It's a crying shame it happened to one of the nice guys, and not one of the (many) classless twats at the Arse.
All that said (rant over) I hope Ramsey makes a full recovery and that his leg fixes up stronger than it was before. Maybe a bit more calcium wouldn't go amiss (it did seem to break kinda easily - or is it just me?) but he really didn't deserve this, a cosmic accident I suppose.
I truly hope he gets better, and unlike some other sentiments in this thread, I hope he comes back and achieves his full potential because he's gonna be a special player. I still rue the fact that we didn't sign him. Well, he didn't join, but you get the point.
Regardless of all that though, this thread is a bit of a joke. Count Duckula is (in my eyes) correct when he says that people are overreacting - he's broken his leg. Ok, it's horrific in any sense, and it's even more poignant on the basis that he's a football player but I'm willing to bet that Arsenal's medical team is y'know... decent. It's not like he's at a cash-strapped club where they'll cheap out on his medical costs.
Beyond that, even, it's not life-threatening and he's at an age where it should heal well. I don't know if it's actually true but am I right in saying that broken bones at these ages actually heal back stronger?
Disappointed in Wenger though. It was clearly an accident, and I can understand him being upset but you have to earn the right to do some things. For example, if he wants to claim that this tackle was disgusting, then he needs to do the same about Gallas'. It's sickening but the phrase is true: What goes around comes around.
I really rate Ramsey, and he seems like a really nice guy as well (I'm a year younger than him) but it's sad that it seems as though he's the latest one paying for Arsenal's bad karma. Wenger was fine with his players smacking Ruud about. Seriously, I'm sad that this has had to happen and none of my frustrations are directed at Aaron, but Wenger deserves this. It's a crying shame it happened to one of the nice guys, and not one of the (many) classless twats at the Arse.
All that said (rant over) I hope Ramsey makes a full recovery and that his leg fixes up stronger than it was before. Maybe a bit more calcium wouldn't go amiss (it did seem to break kinda easily - or is it just me?) but he really didn't deserve this, a cosmic accident I suppose.
There are lots of stupid things said regarding tackles…
In my opinion neither the Taylor one or the Shawcross tackle were particularly malicious or dangerous. Taylor didn't jump in, wasn't on the slide, wasn't over stretching, he just missed the ball and happened to go through onto Eduardo's ankle, which just happened to have been planted with all his weight on it, fractions of a second before. Unfortunate. Perhaps careless, but it was no worse than the Gallas tackle earlier this year, and not as bad as that jumping tackle Diaby made on Sneijder which put him out for a few months.
Shawcross literally just goes to kick the ball, amazingly you can't kick the ball without taking your leg off the ground, Ramsey pokes the ball and Shawcross kicks his shin instead. It is just that, particularly viewed at full speed (Slow-mo often makes things look more deliberate). He went to kick the ball and missed. For whatever combination of reasons, probably the misfortune of the way Ramsey's foot was planted, it lead to a break. It wasn't a leg-breaking challenge though, it was a fair challenge that broke a leg, if you know what I mean. If he get's the ball it is a totally reasonable tackle,(he wouldn't even be lucky to get away with it, it is a typical everyday tackle), if he doesn't get the ball it should be a yellow, the only reason it was a red was because of the misfortune of the consequences.
It is interesting you mention that players shouldn't kick so high and that it is unacceptable. That we would all realise that if we weren't toss-pots.
Did you share that view when another of Wenger's sob stories (Diaby) knocked Terry out with a high kick? Diaby was within his rights to kick at that ball, it wasn't even a bad tackle, but the consequences could have been life-threatening. The consequences can't lead to blanket statements banning all high foots, all slide tackles or all physicality in the game. That is my point. Just accept that it was bad luck. I'm sorry for Ramsey, honestly. But don't start making idiotic blanket statements like, players shouldn't lift their feet of the ground. Diaby was unlucky to kick Terry in the head, just as Shawcross and Taylor were unlucky to break legs.
I'm sorry, did I say high tackles were acceptable? No
Was what Shawcross did considered a high tackle? No
Was it an unlucky lunge that sadly resulted in a harsh and painful injury? Yes
Could Shawcross have been an injury victim here in the same right? Yes
There's the cheat sheet, I hope you pass the exam.
Why the feck would you assume I didn't learn? I havent played organized football for nearly 2 years because of the damage that was done because im piss scared it'll happen again, I know all about being on the wrong end of a shit tackle... Shawcross' "tackle" (If you can even classify it one) was not a shit one in term, it was unlucky, Ramsey had a step on him and beat him to the ball, as a result the leg was exposed, hence broken leg WHERE it was... it's not like both of them were standing like soldiers mate, they both leaned to the ball, they both lunged, they both could have been equally hurt.
This happened dozens of times in football matches, 2 players going in hard at the ball, you know, doing the job they get paid millions of pounds to do... This was nothing but an unlucky case of timing, not poor timing, unlucky timing.
^ Did not happen.
Get off your high horse.
The tackle wasn't even that fecking high. You're acting like a deluded parent who's just lost her only child in an unfortunate accident and is desperate to find blame. Give it up already.
I always thought you were a decent poster, so I'm going to presume you're worked up (hence your previous posts) but now you're just defying the laws of physics.
I imagine you've kicked something before, yeah? Now I don't want to bore you with the process in full, but basically, we swing our leg with the pivot being at the top.
This means that the lowest point of the swing is when the foot is fully extended perpendicularly to the ground, and the highest points are at the top of both the back-swing and the follow through.
Footballers never kick at the lowest point, to begin with. The ball is usually a bit ahead of them. Now when you consider the fact that Shawcross tried to kick the ball, but got there a split-second after Ramsey, his leg will be going up (the follow through).
There's a huge difference between a high foot in a tackle and a foot moving upwards because of the whole... y'know... "swinging" thing.
You need to go to bed mate
Usual theoretical non-real world bollox from you. Shawcross kicked up and through Ramsey's leg in a criminally stupid fashion breaking his fecking leg.
How fecking high does it need to be? It hit him minimum 4" above the ankle you soppy cnut.
Hard to say, but looking at the replay they showed on MOTD it looked like his ankle rolled and went first - which might be complicated.
Ryan went in hard, but if you notice carefully, he was trying to do a sweeping tackle. He wasn't even going in with his studs showing. If not for the injury, the ref would never issue a red card. I feel for Ramsey, but it does not alter the fact that Ryan is a genuine professional, and that was a genuine tackle. Yes, it resulted in a broken leg, but with that sort of tackles, injuries could have gone either way.
p/s : Shawcross was called up to the England squad. Great on the lad
p/s : Shawcross was called up to the England squad. Great on the lad
Ok, I'm sure the PFA are sending an Email to all players now, telling them not to kick through the football in case they mistime it and kick an opposition player.
Horrible injury for the lad and I really feel for Shawcross too on this occasion. He went in hard but fair and dosn't deserve to be vilified. This was leagues away from the Michael Brown/Roy Keane school of tackling.
After watching MOTD it seems like Ramsey had planted his leg awkwardly before their shins collided which probably caused the break.
After watching MOTD it seems like Ramsey had planted his leg awkwardly before their shins collided which probably caused the break.
I posted a nice link to the video for you to watch over and over if that's what it'll take for you to make sense.
Have a nap and come back tommorow, less piss, more knowledge.
peterstorey is the Caf version of Wenger.
That's exactly what happened but some folks can't accept the fact this was just unlucky stuff
Are you pretending to be a thick twat or is it actually the case?
Just because the contact was made 4" above his ankle it doesn't mean that Shawcross' foot was 4" + ankle height off the ground. Ramsey was half way into the challenge himself so he wasn't standing upright, you soft witted tosser. His leg being at a gradient unfortunately allowed for Shawcross' challenge to make contact high up his lower leg, despite not being overly high from the ground.
It's not rocket science.
He must have been the guy who started the petition for banning Martin Taylor.
Ramsay was more or less upright Shawcross' foot came through above ball height straight into his shin breaking it.
I think one of the most telling things in the while incident was the lack of outrage from all of the Arsenal players, barring Sol Campbell who hails from the last class of complete cnuts from the skool of Wenger.
Most of the players in and around the incident recognized the severity of the injury, but didn't seek to put the blame on Shawcross. Even after he was given the red card he walked over to Ramsey unchallenged to apologize. If the players thought he'd committed the tackle with the intention of breaking his leg he never would have got near the lad because there would be half a dozen Arsenal players squaring up to him.
Most of the players in and around the incident recognized the severity of the injury, but didn't seek to put the blame on Shawcross. Even after he was given the red card he walked over to Ramsey unchallenged to apologize. If the players thought he'd committed the tackle with the intention of breaking his leg he never would have got near the lad because there would be half a dozen Arsenal players squaring up to him.
At least it wasn't bone through sock this time, that's the worst. Does anyone else feel their legs are likely to snap by just walking after watching these things? I find myself creeping around slowly for a bit.
Have you ever played Space Invaders?
Did you fire where the enemy is? or where they are going to be?
Try and imagine where the ball would have been when Shawcross would have struck it.
Look again.
YouTube - Aaron Ramsey gets Tackled vs Stoke Possible Leg Break
His right leg was far from upright. It was closer to being parallel to the fecking floor than being upright upon contact.
Is there a GIF or another video floating about which provides a better insight, anyone?
I'm assuming you're talking to me there?
Partially flattered to have some level of reputation here, partially confused at apparently having spoken bollox when I'm stating fact.
Even if Shawcross kicked up and through Ramsey's leg, how is that not exactly what I've described in my post?
Honestly, you need to go to sleep before you embarrass yourself further.
I wouldn't flatter yourself I have you down as a wankayank who knows nothing about football and demonstrates that in every post.
'Twas sarcasm, well detected mate.
Although in all honesty I haven't coated myself in glory since I got promoted. Can't be bothered up here tbh, it's hard to swim against some of the tides of crap.
Either way, one of us is proving themselves a fool right now and it's a rather safe bet right now that it's not me.
On a very serious, non-passive-aggressive note, I'd like you to take a look at this thread tomorrow and form an opinion on it then.
Although in all honesty I haven't coated myself in glory since I got promoted. Can't be bothered up here tbh, it's hard to swim against some of the tides of crap.
Either way, one of us is proving themselves a fool right now and it's a rather safe bet right now that it's not me.
On a very serious, non-passive-aggressive note, I'd like you to take a look at this thread tomorrow and form an opinion on it then.
It's unfortunate and I feel sorry for both of them. Hopefully Ramsey's still young enough that he makes a complete recovery from that type of injury and goes on to fulfill his potential.
Sad thing is though, it wouldn't be a suprise if that never does happen now.
Sad thing is though, it wouldn't be a suprise if that never does happen now.
I thought you just fecked off before you useless cnut. You should just feck off again.
peter in the morning.
Ah, this is what an e-fight feels like. Kinda underwhelming in all honesty. Anyway, I'm going to log out because I'm becoming just as bad as you. Have a good'un.
Yeah that's the idea - feck off (and don't come back).
Pete,
What you are saying is like Abou Diaby mercilessly beheaded John Terry and aimed a kick at his head. Abou Diaby and John Terry both went for the ball, but John Terry, as hard as it is to believe, was faster to the ball and Diaby kicked him in the head.
Applying your line of thought, Diaby should have never raised his foot and wilfully kicked Terry in his head.
What you are saying is like Abou Diaby mercilessly beheaded John Terry and aimed a kick at his head. Abou Diaby and John Terry both went for the ball, but John Terry, as hard as it is to believe, was faster to the ball and Diaby kicked him in the head.
Applying your line of thought, Diaby should have never raised his foot and wilfully kicked Terry in his head.
.....Mee-owFor feck's sake everybody would kick Terry in the head given half a chance ask Wayne or Toni.
While that is true, you have to move on and agree that it is an accident. Else, we may even get Adebayor transferred back to Arsenal
I had actually calmed down but then some ol' skool pricks arrive and I get all aerated again.
If you blokes win the title though, this would be the moment that turned it around. Hell, you may even sport the 'For you Rambo' Tee's.
Good luck to the young fella. He has got time on his side.
@ PeterHad a few scoops tonight I take it
Just seen it, it was a 50-50 challenge ,Ramsey nicked the ball way, had he not been that lttile bit quicker it would have been a crunching tackle and Shawcross would have been praised for it.
There is a massive difference between this and Taylors challenge , even though i don't think there was any maliciousness in the Taylor challenge either just recklessness; Taylor's challenge was of a slicing action, you get caught with one of those it is going to hurt and cause damage.
Shawcross's challenge on the other hand was of a sweeping action, he connected with Ramsey legs with the lace of his boot, 9 times out of 10 you would hardly feel it and your legs would have just been swept underneath yourself , however this incident was of a freak nature as Ramseys studs were likely to have been caught up in the turf and the impact of Shawcross hitting his leg was enough to make it snap, a complete accident.
There is a massive difference between this and Taylors challenge , even though i don't think there was any maliciousness in the Taylor challenge either just recklessness; Taylor's challenge was of a slicing action, you get caught with one of those it is going to hurt and cause damage.
Shawcross's challenge on the other hand was of a sweeping action, he connected with Ramsey legs with the lace of his boot, 9 times out of 10 you would hardly feel it and your legs would have just been swept underneath yourself , however this incident was of a freak nature as Ramseys studs were likely to have been caught up in the turf and the impact of Shawcross hitting his leg was enough to make it snap, a complete accident.
Has Rams stolen your log-in?I used to wish Ronaldo would break his leg every single week when he played for you but I'd also have been gutted if it meant he'd come back a poorer player.
Which, of course, doesn't really make sense.