I really feel sorry for this lad. Hope you get better soon Ramsey. 
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La gravísima lesión de Ramsey eclipsa el triunfo del Arsenal - MARCA.com
Not the kind of multi-angle replay we're used to and I'm not sure if it'll play outside Spain - but here's one.
In the cold light of day and having seen the video footage, you'd hope Wenger and Fabregas will see the challenge for what it was. Sadly, the victim mentality is hard to shake-particularly when you've seen two of your mates get the same injury-so I don't really expect them to.
A line has to be drawn? What the feck are you on about. It's a contact sport, physical contact is part and parcel of the game & fully legitimate.
If it was any other team than Stoke then Arsenal fans wouldn't be harping on about the physical aspect.
Wenger's an idiot sometimes he really is. I feel sorry for Ramsey, I really really do, but it wasnt a bad challange. It was just unfortunate.
He is clueless, a few months back he was suggesting that the current Chelsea side may be the best ever Premiership side. Complete numpty.
Really gutted for the lad. Wish him a speedy recovery.
Fabregas was crying to the linesman and pointing at Ramsey and Shawcross. Campbell was over voicing his displeasure of the incident and was getting into a few tussles with Stoke players.
I feel for Ramsey. Great young player, and hope he recovers fast and properly... But that was never a red card tackle.
Its one of those, the ref sees two players go in and thinks nothing of it then he examines one of the players has a broken leg and the challenge is seen 100 times worse.
I understand why it was given but agree it wasnt a red card tackle
Fabregas you can understand but Wenger really should be big enough to know better.
It's not even his anger that riles me...that's understandable enough. It's the fact he's using the incident to try and fuel and justify his own paranoia. IUt reminds me of when Mourinho accused Reading of deliberately trying to kill Peter Cech. What a weirdo
I thought, given the circumstances, that Wenger came across as quite reasonable yesterday. As far as I remember, he only said something along the lines of 'we know teams try to play physical against Arsenal' which, to be fair, is the truth rather than paranoia. For me, if he's saying that his players getting continually twatted is a side-product of the physical approach teams adopt against Arsenal then that's pretty fair. It must be horrifying to put all that work into developing young talent like Ramsey and then see that happen to it.
Well he also said the tackle was "unacceptable". Whilst I fully understand his reaction so soon after the incident, when he has time to reflect and see the tackle again, it would be nice, for Shawcross' sake, if he retracted this comment. I won't hold my breath though.
Must have watched a different interview to me.
He went on some mad rant about "not accepting" the challenge or this sort of thing, then tried to insinuate that it wasn't a coincidence that it had happened to Arsenal again and nothing was being done about it (i.e. there's some kind of giant conspiracy to break Arsenal player's legs).
I instantly went from feeling sorry for him, to thinking "you fecking mad spastic"
now that the dust had settled...a bit
When I first saw the player on the ground and all the excitement, I knew he could not continue.....And I hoped it was Fabregas. I had just turned back and only saw a player was on the ground. The point I am making is many of us want a good player from the other side not to be available. Unfortunately, when this happens, it is usually because of an injury. So taking what Sultan said then is perfectly reasonable. No one really wants another player hurt. Heck I 'hate' that cnut Terry. But do I want to see his leg broken? There is a line where the passion in football ends and it should not cross into madness.
the overreaction by some only leads to more silliness on all sides.
I hope the lad makes a speedy recovery and he plays shit when he plays against us
I've made clear elsewhere what I think of Wenger's comments.
When I first saw the player on the ground and all the excitement, I knew he could not continue.....And I hoped it was Fabregas. I had just turned back and only saw a player was on the ground. The point I am making is many of us want a good player from the other side not to be available. Unfortunately, when this happens, it is usually because of an injury. So taking what Sultan said then is perfectly reasonable. No one really wants another player hurt. Heck I 'hate' that cnut Terry. But do I want to see his leg broken? There is a line where the passion in football ends and it should not cross into madness.
the overreaction by some only leads to more silliness on all sides.
I hope the lad makes a speedy recovery and he plays shit when he plays against us
I've made clear elsewhere what I think of Wenger's comments.
Poor Ramsey, what a terrible injury, I wish him to make as quick a recovery as possible. Shawcross surely didn't mean to hurt the player but it doesn't change the fact it was a killer tackle and also unnecessary.
Finally saw video of the incident. They only showed it once, from the standard wide angle, so it's hard to really see the challenge. From what I saw though, it didn't look like anything vicious. Based upon some posts in here, and Wenger's reaction, I was expecting much worse. I didn't think much of the challenge til the commentator said something. It's very unfortunate for the lad, and I hope he recovers well, but the challenge wasn't that bad.
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Never ceases to amaze me the stupidity on these boards.
Never ceases to amaze me the stupidity on these boards.
Coming from the "is it wenger's fault" thread creator?
One must remember that alot of things are said in the heat of the moment. Sometimes I wonder if it is wise to interview players/managers so quickly after such incidents.
What do you expect him to say right after the match? If Rooney got his foot broken (career-threatening injury), Fergie would have said the same thing.
Just seen EPL highlights and they didn't even replay or slo-mo the incident?????????
As for the rest of the match, I thought l'arse should've got two penalties they didn't get and the one they got wasn't a pen. He merely gave him a nudge with his hip. Terrible reffing, nearly as bad as the Berties/Chav$ ref. It actually looked to me like both these refs were purposely giving incorrect decisions it was that bad.
As for the rest of the match, I thought l'arse should've got two penalties they didn't get and the one they got wasn't a pen. He merely gave him a nudge with his hip. Terrible reffing, nearly as bad as the Berties/Chav$ ref. It actually looked to me like both these refs were purposely giving incorrect decisions it was that bad.
Some of the comments in this thread are plain ridiculous.
In all seriousness though Wenger should STFU it happens to everyone from all walks of life. Not just Arsenal players.
My dear old nan did the same think walking down a small flight of stairs. She accepted like a man and didn't go round blaming Ryan Shawcross for it.
I'm no doctor but from the replays it defo looks to me as though Ramsey has a calcuim deficency thus the brittle bones.
I'm not rocket scientist either but with so many broken bones of late I'd personally be looking to add some full cream milk to the diet of his precious "Kids(TM)".
In all seriousness though Wenger should STFU it happens to everyone from all walks of life. Not just Arsenal players.
My dear old nan did the same think walking down a small flight of stairs. She accepted like a man and didn't go round blaming Ryan Shawcross for it.
I'm no doctor but from the replays it defo looks to me as though Ramsey has a calcuim deficency thus the brittle bones.
I'm not rocket scientist either but with so many broken bones of late I'd personally be looking to add some full cream milk to the diet of his precious "Kids(TM)".
Wenger used to manage the team with the worst disciplinary record in the league. Has he forgotten that his precious innocent team decided to kick Nani all over the pitch for showing some ball juggling skill?
I feel sorry for Shawcross and Ramsey and I hope they both get over the incident as quickly as possible. The reality is that Stoke play the same way against every team, not just Arsenal and I don't think Arsenal are particularly singled out for aggressive tactics.
Wenger has disappointed me with his comments but I can understand that it was in the heat of the moment and he was probably too upset to be thinking clearly about his comments. I've seen far worse challenges this season that have not caused injury. Shawcross stayed on his feet and tried to make an honest but hard tackle , he just got there a bit late and Ramsey had his weight at a stressful angle on the leg that was kicked. It happens in football every now and again and unless you ban tackling then it will continue to happen. Just bad luck in my opinion.
I feel sorry for Shawcross and Ramsey and I hope they both get over the incident as quickly as possible. The reality is that Stoke play the same way against every team, not just Arsenal and I don't think Arsenal are particularly singled out for aggressive tactics.
Wenger has disappointed me with his comments but I can understand that it was in the heat of the moment and he was probably too upset to be thinking clearly about his comments. I've seen far worse challenges this season that have not caused injury. Shawcross stayed on his feet and tried to make an honest but hard tackle , he just got there a bit late and Ramsey had his weight at a stressful angle on the leg that was kicked. It happens in football every now and again and unless you ban tackling then it will continue to happen. Just bad luck in my opinion.
So you point out the amount of ridiculous comments, and decide to post one of your own?
Shame, lets hope it doesn't effect his long term prospects.
I suppose you think that is Gallas as well?
Obviously not him but is that the best response you can come up with? Pathetic.
The Arsenal supporting bloke on Fox Football Fone-in thinks the red was the right call while Eric Wynalda does not think it was a sending off. The female on the show, very sexy I may add, thinks it wasn't a sending off.
John from Texas, an Arsenal supporter, brings up the previous injuries and says the way to stop Arsenal is to kick them off the field. Says something needs to be done to stop this.
Kevin from Mississippi, an Arsenal supporter (surprise), thinks this isn't a coincidence.
Waaaaa
Have all Arsenal fans become conspiracy theorists much like RAWK posters?
John from Texas, an Arsenal supporter, brings up the previous injuries and says the way to stop Arsenal is to kick them off the field. Says something needs to be done to stop this.
Kevin from Mississippi, an Arsenal supporter (surprise), thinks this isn't a coincidence.
Waaaaa
Have all Arsenal fans become conspiracy theorists much like RAWK posters?
I stood on the side of 'unlucky accident' and 'run of the mill foul' for the last Arsenal leg break. Despite the hysteria. This Ramsey incident, is incredibly unlucky, I mean just really unlucky that it's a young lad and it wasn't even bad tackle.
There are two dangers now. One is that Ramsey may suffer complications and have trouble returning to football at the any level, never mind the same level.
The other, more terrifying obstacle, is that the Wengers and the hysterical Arse fans of the footballing world may have a such a massive cry wank that the weight of all the tears and spunk could cause some overpaid fat idiot in some undeserved position of power at Fifa/Uefa/The FA to fold under the pressure and order referees to turn the sport into netball.
There are two dangers now. One is that Ramsey may suffer complications and have trouble returning to football at the any level, never mind the same level.
The other, more terrifying obstacle, is that the Wengers and the hysterical Arse fans of the footballing world may have a such a massive cry wank that the weight of all the tears and spunk could cause some overpaid fat idiot in some undeserved position of power at Fifa/Uefa/The FA to fold under the pressure and order referees to turn the sport into netball.
Just like all the united supporters who think that all refs are ABU's?
I don't think anyone thinks the referees are ABU, we think the media are. At least get your baseless accusations right.
I remember watching Stoke last season and thinking what a dirty side they are. They go a bit over the top with their tackles sometimes but to be honest this one didn't look so bad and yet the outcome was horrific.