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Ronaldo was practically taking candy from a baby and the baby kicked out. Eduardo and Ramsey weren't show boating they were trying to play football. Comparing the two is idiotic. That player was young and naive and never good enough for Arsenal hence why he isn't on our books anymore.
As for the shovel... well you can stick to your accusations about 'all' Arsenal fans and ill stick to mine about 'all' united fans.
patheticAre you somehow trying to justify it then?
Oh right, that makes it all right then. If a player uses skill, the opposition player has every right to try and break his leg. Its like that time James Morrison (iirc) tried to cut Ronaldo in two.
Im saying Ronaldo was showboating, and the kid didnt like it. Ronaldo could of avoided it by not showboating. The kid shouldn't have kicked out though.
Football is to entertain. He was entertaining. And I'm sure over the years Arsenal players have showboated. What would you have said if someone had a kick out at them?
An Arsenal fan complaining about flair in football. I've heard it all now.
I would of said what a cnut for kicking our player but our player was doing it unnecessarily.
Was it a violent tackle?
No it wasn't. He went in trying to clear the ball away. He slided in, without studs showing. He was late. Red card? It doesn't matter to the lad. He was absolutely distraught upon leaving the field.
Was it unnecessary?
Yes to most teams. Most teams wouldn't have bother going for 50-50 challenges. However, closing down and winning the 50-50 battles with a touch of physicality is a hallmark of Stoke and the reason for their successes. What amazes me is Wenger expects every team to play like Brazil, with little tackles and all passing. If the smaller clubs do it week in and out, you bet they get relagated. When passing judgement on Ryan Shawcross and Stoke, see from their perspective. Shawcross is a no nonsense defender who goes for such challenges regularly, and injuries like that could have gone either way. He isn't a Ferdinand or a Maldini ffs.
No it wasn't. He went in trying to clear the ball away. He slided in, without studs showing. He was late. Red card? It doesn't matter to the lad. He was absolutely distraught upon leaving the field.
Was it unnecessary?
Yes to most teams. Most teams wouldn't have bother going for 50-50 challenges. However, closing down and winning the 50-50 battles with a touch of physicality is a hallmark of Stoke and the reason for their successes. What amazes me is Wenger expects every team to play like Brazil, with little tackles and all passing. If the smaller clubs do it week in and out, you bet they get relagated. When passing judgement on Ryan Shawcross and Stoke, see from their perspective. Shawcross is a no nonsense defender who goes for such challenges regularly, and injuries like that could have gone either way. He isn't a Ferdinand or a Maldini ffs.
So too little flair, and you're not trying to play the beautiful game. Too much flair, and you're showboating. It looks like only the Arsenal players got it just right then.
this showboating argument is total crap to be fair.
In fact if you think about it, it's probably worse, because in a 50-50 you are going for the ball and just being committed to winning the ball. If you lash out at a player that is 'showboating' you are intending to harm unnecessarily.
In fact if you think about it, it's probably worse, because in a 50-50 you are going for the ball and just being committed to winning the ball. If you lash out at a player that is 'showboating' you are intending to harm unnecessarily.
You're quite full of shit.
Well if you actually knew me you could comment, but you don't so...
You've already demonstrated yourself to be a massive bellend in this thread.
congratulations. You now have the most retarded post in the thread.
Going by your logic, ronaldinho should be kicked at by every player and it would be justified. Jesus man.
except ronaldinho does it to get around players, Ronaldo did it to take the piss there is a massive difference. I never said it was justified.
And everytime Henry did some silky bit of skill it was unnecessary and should of been taken out of it.
feck it the PL would be much better if we all just played the Bolton way
Ronaldo didn't do it to take the piss. I watched that game and it was right near the end, when United were on top and didn't want to take any risks with the ball so they ran it into the corners. You see teams do that every week. It's not taking the piss, it's holding up play and maintaining possession.
Rooney did the same thing at Goodison Park in 2007 (during the 4-2 win). Fabregas does the same thing in any given match.
Apparently though it's taking the piss and thus there's some onus on the player doing it when some hatchetman cleans them up.
Have you just started seeing football or what ? Because you sound rather naive or maybe just blinded by your supporter instincts.
A lot of players showboat.
Its not even understandable. Its just wrong. Accept it and move on. Why should ronaldo stop showboating then as you said to avoid getting kicked ?
Hoyte should have had more patience or sense. Kicking another player is not acceptable by any means.
Oh and FYI, I remember Dinho being more of a showboat than ronaldo.
English defenders and spanish defenders are brought up fairly differently. Again i missed the part where i said what Justin Hoyte did was acceptable.
Just like Wenger repeatedly misses the part where Arsenal players have acted like thugs, before launching his latest hypocritical rant?
Since you say that the said player should stop showboating in order to avoid getting kicked.
Just like Wenger repeatedly misses the part where Arsenal players have acted like thugs, before launching his latest hypocritical rant?
But thats not how he teaches them to play? That is a young lad doing something stupid. Where as the way other teams play has lead to the injuries to Eduardo, Diaby and Ramsey, how is that hard to see?
If a player doesn't want to incite other players then he shouldn't. If he does then he has to live with other players losing their cool.
You lot whinge more about what Hoyte did then what Ronaldo does.
So when an Arsenal player makes a horror challenge (the recent Gallas potential leg-breaker against Bolton being a better example than Hoyte's petulance) it's the act of a reckless individual but when it's an Arsenal player getting crunched, it's all part of a deliberate strategy by opposition managers to cripple Wenger's team?
You're sounding as deluded as Wenger, to be honest.
Potentially. The facts are we've caused no serious injuries with foul tackles in the last few years and have suffered 3 broken legs (and 3 injuries caused by fouls accounting for 5 months down time in the corresponding fixture at Stoke last year, including an over the ball assault off the pitch by Shawcross).
Im not the one who has lost it if you don't think other teams play rough to try get on top of Arsenal.
Here is wenger on Gallas
Tell me what is wrong with any of his statements.
Funny how you say you deem it is unacceptable at one point and then go on to say that the player showboating has to live with other players losing their cool.
Isnt it unnacceptable for players to lose their cool on the pitch anyway regardless of the circumstances leading to it ? What ronaldo does is not hurting another professional player physically in anyway. What hoyte did could have. Isnt that rather clear ? I mean seriously mate. I really dont see how you can say people should complain about the showboating than the dangerous tackle following it.
Ronaldo is just displaying some skill, wowing the world, the same way dinho did or does or so many other players did or do.
Next time someone puts in a hard tackle in on one of your players on the pitch out of sheer frustration of being outplayed, I'd really like to hear what you'd make of it.
Of course then you lot will act like little angels and rant all year about how other anti-football teams delibrately step onto the pitch with a pre-emptive agenda of injuring your players.
Actually what I'm saying is it was wrong for Hoyte to lose his cool, but also Ronaldo knows what he is doing and what other players will do out of frustration. He will get up with a smile because he knows he has 'won'. If he gets injured in one of the tackles then maybe he will take a look at what he's doing, and I can tell you if the manager was ferguson he won't just be blasting the opposition player.
Again, this Wengeresque delusion that Arsenal are the only team that has to cope with tough tackles. All top sides now that they will face a physical battle against teams that don't have the talent to beat them playing pretty football.
Arsenal have been very unlucky with those nasty injuries but United have also borne the brunt of thuggery many times. Ronaldo was kicked from pillar to post in his time at the club. We lost Neville for a year after an ugly challenge against Bolton and Giggs was lucky to walk away from this "tackle" by Michael Brown.
Shit happens though. You've just got to get on with the game and trust the referees will do their job. Wenger's conspiracy theories just make him seem like a bitter loon and have the counter-productive effect of convincing other teams that putting in a few robust challenges will rattle his team as badly as it seems to rattle their manager.
To be fair I can take on board the point that certain teams do set out to impose themselves physically when up against Arsenal. It's a tactic that has been trumpeted by Sky since the whole 'young gunners' era and a valid one when it doesn't stretch over into incidents like the Eduardo one.
It's a shame that it's being used as a stick to beat Ryan Shawcross though because I maintain that the tackle was a fair (if mistimed).
What I can't accept though is this whiter than white attitude coming from the Arsenal camp. They were one of the dirtiest teams around in the Patrick Viera era with a shocking amount of red cards.
It's a shame that it's being used as a stick to beat Ryan Shawcross though because I maintain that the tackle was a fair (if mistimed).
What I can't accept though is this whiter than white attitude coming from the Arsenal camp. They were one of the dirtiest teams around in the Patrick Viera era with a shocking amount of red cards.
So what you are saying is... Wenger is wrong because infact all of United, Arsenal, Chelsea and (for arguments sake) Liverpool get played rough.
So what you want Wenger to say is "The better clubs are being played rough against which includes Arsenal."
So what you want Wenger to say is "The better clubs are being played rough against which includes Arsenal."
Then stop living in the past and look to how the team plays now?
I haven't seen any evidence to suggest the tackle was anything more then heavy and mistimed. I for one am not lambasting shawcross, mearly defending Wenger considering he is saying that teams use these tactics against Arsenal. You are all saying its a conspiracy when all he is saying is that teams use these heavy tactics and it has led to serious injuries.
Yep and I'm agreeing with that. I think what I'm trying to say is that I'd have more sympathy for Wenger if he wasn't so
where his own team is concerned.It smacks of the boy who cried wolf.
Diaby nearly ended someone careers maybe a year ago or something. Steinson off Bolton I think it was. That got feck all attention compared to the current circus
Steinsson didn't even go off the field after that tackle.
Doesnt change the fact that it could have ended his career
Yep and I'm agreeing with that. I think what I'm trying to say is that I'd have more sympathy for Wenger if he wasn't so
It smacks of the boy who cried wolf.
He is not talking about mistimed challenges he is talking about the rough tactics leading to injuries. So he is not a hypocrite in that sense.