Aaron Ramsey

Really hope he will recover soon and fully. Sadly you never know if a player can come back from such an injury and it will definately have an influence on his career. I thought of Possebon because of this injury and wonder if he can make his way back. Before the injury he was on the way into the first team. Nowadays you doesnt hear anything about him. Of course Ramsey is a step further allready but it will be hard for him too. Best wishes.
 
Paul Parker sticks his boot in.

Wenger should apologise to Shawcross

Arsene Wenger was wrong to criticise Ryan Shawcross for the challenge which broke Aaron Ramsey's leg and should apologise to him.

Sometimes your emotions get the better of you. Sometimes when it happens to a team-mate or a player in your team you need to take a step back, have another look and think about what you say.

You have a young player like Shawcross involved in an incident and Wenger, the manager of Arsenal, responds like that: other young players will see how reactive he is and perhaps follow his lead.

Wenger thinks that this kind of thing only happens to Arsenal and comes out with all sorts of conspiracy theories to 'prove' that Manchester United and Chelsea have got an unfair advantage.

But the reason why he directs these conspiracies at those clubs are because they are the ones who are winning things.

No one sets out to kick Arsenal out of the game. Every Stoke player has played with that competitive edge for years, and it has seen them establish themselves as a Premier League team.

Shawcross is only a young lad and a top manager like Wenger should know better than to go off talking like that about him. If it had been one of Arsenal's young players who had done that to an opponent, he wouldn't want anyone criticising him in that way.

Wenger should, for the 100th time, take a long, hard look in the mirror after what he said. When something like this happens, he should count to 2,025 before he opens his mouth.

Referee Peter Walton saw Ramsey's leg and was affected by it: he signalled for the physio, backed off a few yards and issued a red card.

That is understandable, but accidents do happen. Just because the aftermath looks gruesome does not mean it is the result of a bad challenge.

People can trip over and break their leg, ankle, arm, anything; what would the ref do then? Send off a blade of grass? Dismiss a piece of turf?

He should have thought about it more, talked to his assistant. They can do that, through those microphones that they have hanging off their faces, making them look stupid: they say they don't, but they do. Otherwise what's the point of them?

The red card can't be rescinded but it probably wasn't a sending off. The problem is that everyone jumps on the bandwagon and influences the decision.

It wasn't the first time it has happened to Arsenal, and it certainly won't be the last - but you've got to draw the line at how managers react to this sort of thing.

You can't blame the laws of the game: football needs its competitive edge, the fans would be driven away if it was lacking from the sport.

Wenger should say something to Shawcross, apologise or explain his reaction. The family of Ramsey will be looking at what happened and what Wenger said afterwards, and think the boss is sticking up for our boy. With the emotion surrounding the incident it is understandable. But you can't do it every time.

It never used to happen like this: maybe it is a result of the media being everywhere. Straight away there are cameras focusing on the incident and everyone's got an opinion.

TV will want that reaction, thinking: 'Go on Arsene, condemn him.'

Shawcross has been called into the England squad and he doesn't deserve the grief he's getting.

As for whether he'll play at Wembley, judging by the way things are today he'll get a game straight away. With the Rio Ferdinand scenario too he should at least come on.

It used to be different: when I got called up by Bobby Robson I was on the bench for a few games. He said: "You need to sit in the stands and watch how we play before you come in."

Is there a right time to come in, or a wrong time? There are only so many games before the World Cup. It would have benefited Shawcross to come into a settled side.

Before the 1990 World Cup Bobby never changed it much, even for friendlies: there was a comfort zone for incoming players, with so many established players making up the rest of the team. There were only ever one or two changes.

It makes it difficult to come into a makeshift side - it takes a strong-minded player to perform within that environment. Paul Gascoigne did it before the tournament in Italy, but that was a rare case.

Playing against the African champions from the start might be too much for a young kid; maybe 10-15 minutes at the end, when England are a bit more comfortable and possibly two or three goals up, would be the right time for him.
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Pogue Mahone said:
I don't really care what he says but I think he comes across as a bitter twat with a persecution complex, due to his constant whining.

I also think this was a factor in Arsenal's mental fragility in recent seasons. Each team is supposed to embody the qualities of their manager and the spectacular collapse of Arsenal after Edruardo broke his leg was the actions of a team that thinks everything is someone else's fault and who had a tendency to waste time feeling sorry for themselves, rather than looking at the job ahead.

I've no problem with his attitude, obviously. The more whining the better. It's not good for Arsenal football club IMO but that's all good as far as I'm concerned.
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Childish or immaturity sounds like. Wenger does act childish at times and his "kids" are certainly lacking some mental maturity.

It filters down from the top. Look at Liverpool with Rafa. His rant filtered down to the players and they crumbled. Contrast with SAF and Mourinho. Their players responded positively.
 
peterstorey said:
Which players have you lost for significant periods due to bad tackles of late? The only one I can remember is that poor kid Collett which was back in 2004.
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Honestly, do you rate the Shawcross tackle worse than Michael Brown stomping on Giggs?

The result does not make the tackle more malicious or worse. The intent does. Brown tried to intentionally break Giggs' leg. Shawcross was going for a 50/50. Yet the media bangs on about one incident due to the result while the other gets shoved under the rug.
 
Not surprised at all, reckon the injury will hurt his psyche more than his physical abilities.
 
adexkola said:
How some can advocate Shawcross should have stayed on the pitch beggars belief.
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Because it wasn't that bad a challenge. He was a split second late for the ball due to the quick feet of Ramsey, he wasn't particularly high, he didn't go in two footed or studs first. Ramsey was just very unfortunate. With no broken leg for the ref to see, it's entirely conceivable the ref might have merely booked him. In fact knowing Walton it's not implausible he'd have let him off completely, but that's another issue entirely...

Folk on here will tell you, I'm the first to demand more draconian penalties for those who endanger the wellbeing of fellow professionals with reckless behaviour. This wasn't a case of that. Bad injuries happen in football sometimes, and not always because there was malicious intent, or even a particularly bad challenge
 
Ramsey's Kick-shin nightmare

:lol: Thought I'd share that with the caf, heard it on football weekly.
 
B Cantona said:
Because it wasn't that bad a challenge. He was a split second late for the ball due to the quick feet of Ramsey, he wasn't particularly high, he didn't go in two footed or studs first. Ramsey was just very unfortunate. With no broken leg for the ref to see, it's entirely conceivable the ref might have merely booked him. In fact knowing Walton it's not implausible he'd have let him off completely, but that's another issue entirely...

Folk on here will tell you, I'm the first to demand more draconian penalties for those who endanger the wellbeing of fellow professionals with reckless behaviour. This wasn't a case of that. Bad injuries happen in football sometimes, and not always because there was malicious intent, or even a particularly bad challenge
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Fk me Bradley Bollocks your brief sojourn from the cafe must have done some re building work on the ol' gray matter - you're actually talking some sense for a change



...probably wont last tho' :D
 
B Cantona said:
Because it wasn't that bad a challenge. He was a split second late for the ball due to the quick feet of Ramsey, he wasn't particularly high, he didn't go in two footed or studs first. Ramsey was just very unfortunate. With no broken leg for the ref to see, it's entirely conceivable the ref might have merely booked him. In fact knowing Walton it's not implausible he'd have let him off completely, but that's another issue entirely...

Folk on here will tell you, I'm the first to demand more draconian penalties for those who endanger the wellbeing of fellow professionals with reckless behaviour. This wasn't a case of that. Bad injuries happen in football sometimes, and not always because there was malicious intent, or even a particularly bad challenge
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Fair enough. For the record, I don't think Wenger meant what he said, stuff like that comes up when you're in the moment and a microphone is shoved in your face. It would be class of him if he apologized to Shawcross.
 
I'm not a mind reader (unlike all those people who claim he did or didn't mean it) - he seems to have had a number of interviews in which he's quoted on how hard things have been for him and how it won't change his game without saying sorry for breaking someone's leg.
 
peterstorey said:
I'm not a mind reader (unlike all those people who claim he did or didn't mean it) - he seems to have had a number of interviews in which he's quoted on how hard things have been for him and how it won't change his game without saying sorry for breaking someone's leg.
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Does this count Pete? Might be the closest you're going to get...

"He's apologised," said Walcott. "He's a very humble lad and obviously he knows what's happened and feels very bad. There are no hard feelings. He's not a player to do those sorts of tackles."
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I think this is getting a bit absurd, Arsenal players have literally attacked United players on the pitch with far more malice than this tackle. Wenger always responds with the IDK I didnt see it line but give me a fecking break, this was a fecking 50:50.

The thing that really irks me is that when United skullfecked Arsenal in the 2008 FA cup match, and Nani was showboating they went right after him. Yet they claim they play beautiful football....but when they get shown up they have proven time and time again that they are dirty cnuts. There were a couple of iffy tackles when United were beating them at Emirates this year as well, ones that they certainly wouldnt have done if they werent getting the shit kicked out of them
 
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peterstorey said:
I was saying I haven't seen an apology from him, rather than a third-hand England press conference comment from someone else.
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What do you want? Shawcross to hold his own press conference announcing that he's apologised to Ramsey? If he did that you'd have a go at him for making it all about him. The lad cant win.
 
He is in a lose-lose situiation Sam, you know that is just the way it is sometimes
 
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