It's nice to hear that you support Scottish wishes to annex the significant portion of English land that lies between Scotland and Hadrian's Wall.
Alex Salmond and Independence
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It's nice to hear that you support Scottish wishes to annex the significant portion of English land that lies between Scotland and Hadrian's Wall.
Al plans on relocating the wall to just above North London.
He's annoying me by using divisive terms in his speeches. He continually referred to the British Government as "The Westminster Establishment" and referred to this figure that the British Government will supposedly cost UK businesses by not allowing Scotland to share the currency as the "George Tax"
He probably thinks he's being clever, but it sounded a bit childish and bitter to me.
No education or general knowledge that Alastair. You've got to admire the way he wants to be 'Chief' Customs Officer though.
Flood the M25 and keep all the barbarians out.
Its ironic because HE is also part of the establishment. He makes himself out to be a man of the people but does he really have anything in common with a working class lad from Glasgow? I think not. I have been thinking about this a lot, and it just seems like everyone in England and Scotland have been played against each other for centuries by these power hungry arseholes, be it Salmond or Cameron. I don't get what he wants to achieve with an independent Scotland, and it amazes me he has convinced his supporters (those who actually want independence btw) that the UK is some kind of marriage, which can be divorced - to use a silly metaphor. When really its a full country the crown and the two governments are properly united. Its not so straightforward as he would like them to believe. He's no different from westminster, I reckon he's a bit of a tory himself but in that Scottish Nationlist kind of way I can't explain.
Has anyone noticed he has started to insult the unionists as "British nationalists", clearly irony is a concept beyond his clever brain.
It's just fields, isn't it? The Scots can take it.
Thatcher is turning in her grave.
On a spit, hopefully.
Just had a look through Facebook, and all of my Scottish friends who have expressed an opinion, 12 out of 17, want a "no" vote and appear to hate Salmond with a great deal of passion.
Seems a bit of a waste to bother asking the whole country in that case.
Ohh cutting !
I was just a bit surprised, particularly by the hatred for Salmond.
What you have to remember about Salmond and his entourage is that they simply want independence at any price. The issues of Currency, EU membership, tuition fees debacle etc. mean absolutely nothing to them. All they want is to win the vote then the can deal with the mess afterwards in the full knowledge there's no going back.
Every Scot I have on Facebook (about 10, or so) is massively in favour of independence. They're doing my head in, constantly posting about it.
Are your friends a bit older than mine (all in their 20's or early 30's) or do we just befriend rather different sorts?
Was up in Aberdeen fairly recently and a lot of the Scots I met seemed to favour independence to be honest, much more so than the polls seem to imagine.
They range from 20-40, quite a few are in the Forces though, those in particular don't want independence.
Standard Life put the boot in now.
Yes or no?
I saw on the guardian it was 32 percent yes.
Who is eligible to vote? I am assuming it is anyone who is on the electoral role in Scotland? So the many Scots living in London and elsewhere will get no vote, while any English or other Brits living in Scotland will?
Apparently people living in Scotland over 16, no one else scottish living in the other areas of the UK can vote. Which makes sense because that means more people are likely to vote no.
I've almost got a morbid curiosity to see it happen. The Barnett formula, I think, means that Scotland is funded (by Westminster) to the tune of £1500 more per person per annum, or there abouts. So presumably if living standards were to be maintained then there would have to be a significant rise in tax revenue, at least on the assumption that these oil billions won't start rolling in straight away.
Also how the Scottish government fares in the bond market if, as suggested, it doesn't take its 'share' of the UK debt in protest at not getting what it perceives to be its 'share' of the assets. They could find it very, very difficult to borrow and/or have a much higher interest rate than they do now.
Also how the Scottish government fares in the bond market if, as suggested, it doesn't take its 'share' of the UK debt in protest at not getting what it perceives to be its 'share' of the assets. They could find it very, very difficult to borrow and/or have a much higher interest rate than they do now.
By and large, the Scottish Nationalist people has never been overwhelmingly secessionist. In a functioning democracy the Scots, would have different alternatives - ranging from federation to political autonomy. Secession will only attain majority support if they get a higher % of lower and lower middle class to vote.
I am still baffled if there is a growing gap between the Scottish contributions to the UK coffers and state funding received by the Scottish.
I am still baffled if there is a growing gap between the Scottish contributions to the UK coffers and state funding received by the Scottish.
I don't get how the Scottish people aren't deeply offended by it all. It's astonishing they're being asked to vote under for independence under the banner of "we'll sort it out later"
Salmond thinks all he has to do is get legal opinion that agrees with his on every aspect. As if EU membership, a currency union and all the rest of it is decided on the basis of one side being able to find third-party legal opinion that says it is; as if the EU or the UK government have absolutely no say in it. It's astonishing, it really is, how much the Scottish people are being asked to take a blind leap of faith.
Salmond thinks all he has to do is get legal opinion that agrees with his on every aspect. As if EU membership, a currency union and all the rest of it is decided on the basis of one side being able to find third-party legal opinion that says it is; as if the EU or the UK government have absolutely no say in it. It's astonishing, it really is, how much the Scottish people are being asked to take a blind leap of faith.
If the Scots vote yes I heard they are going to block them voting in Westminster. Seems fair enough.
At elections the Scots always skewed the vote too. Would be intriguing to see Scotland try and go it alone.
At elections the Scots always skewed the vote too. Would be intriguing to see Scotland try and go it alone.
Eh? Of course they will - why would the MPs of another country get to vote in our parliament?
Most of my Scottish friends are in favour of independence. But they also hate Salmond with a passion and feel he is about the biggest factor working against the Yes campaign.
The Guardian was trying to make it was causing a stink that they would be blocked straight after the vote rather than after they actually attain official independence.
Do we get to keep Moyes? 
Oh, I see. Can sort of see the logic - presuming the time-scales for the switch weren't too drawn out it's not really much of an issue wither way is it?
The thing is though, something which people seem to forgot, is Scotland still won't be independent. Why not go the whole hog and say goodbye to Brussels too? Then they will be independent by any definition of the word.
Has there ever been a country that gained independence after sorting everything out? Genuine question. What happened in the velvet revolution?
The thing is though,
A) they don't want independence from Brussels, they like Brussels. Its independence from Westminster they desire.
B) they probably will be booted from Brussels.
They will still be in the Euro-Zone, if not in the EU and have to conform to the laws/regulations that they set. So it is fickle, really.
Yeah I didn't write that earlier post that clearly. I guess it stops the Scottish MPs trying to shape terms from within Westminster but yeah, they would be outvoted anyway.
Did you see most of the broadsheets went with Scottish independence jokes. Think Telegraph had Salmond's head being on their coins and the Indie, I think, had the UN lining up peace-keeping troops to patrol the border.
They don't have to be in the euorzone. They could be EEA like Norway or EU but not euro like Denmark.