So... roughly just under 2 PL games (approx 160 mins) and 2 PL KP's...
That's a similar rate to Arteta then right?
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So... roughly just under 2 PL games (approx 160 mins) and 2 PL KP's...
That's a similar rate to Arteta then right?
Thats not 2 games, thats being brought on for some kind of impact in 6 games. I'm sure if we just add up Hernandez's minutes and his goals he'd be vying for best striker in europe.
I know it's 160 minutes and the stats tell you that every 160 minutes, Arteta creates around 2 chances.
No?
Good post, it's not right, but I like it.
Sure a supporter can spot when Anderson improves his passing in one game like the Bolton one, but a 3% increase across the entire season? I'm not going to chastise someone for not picking up on that. Which is the point I was making.
3% is marginal to me because it could be caused by various factors other than improvement. It could even be a sign of regression, he could playing it safe, he could be dropping deeper, exchanging with the centre backs more. There's plenty of contributing factors that could cause a 3% increase that lie outside a basic improvement in passing technique. Put it this way, if it drops by 3% come the end of the season, I won't be citing a regression based on that stat, I'd be looking at how effective he's been, key passes, assists etc.
Yes I agree there could be various factors for that change and it doesn't prove how much better a passer he's been, but it proves how much more reliable he's been. If he's been playing it safer in order to improve his ball retention, is that a negative thing? Absolutely not, it's what people were telling him to do from the beginning when he was somewhere around the mid-70s in his first season. Every pass was a difficult, risky forward pass. Now he's much better at retaining the ball - you can take that straight from the stats. That's what ball retention is all about - how many of your passes go to a team-mate.
Christ Ekeke do you have to be so difficult all the time?
Anderson's played 185 minutes of league football and made 2 key passes, Arteta's played 1170 minutes and made 16 key passes. A key pass every 73 minutes for Arteta and every 92.5 minutes for Anderson.
Possibly the most pointless stat I've ever seen 
I posted this shortly after. It is a meaningless stat at this point. I will just having a laugh hence the
One of the problems with the Whoscored stats is that they do not ratio for playing time, which is why he has such a low average passes per game etc.
160 minutes where his legs are tiring sure. He's completed every game instead of coming on fresh when the opposition are not.
Anderson made all of his passes in 1 match. That means before this weekend he hadnt made a single one.
Forgive me for not wanting to shout from the rooftops because of one game. But if we are doing that Buttner is clearly the best at 2 key passes per game.
Well look, in 10/11 you say he made 684 passes, he made 30 apps that year, so 23 passes per appearance. To increase that by 3% he'll have to make an extra 0.69 successful passes per game.
My Maths isn't necessarily the best so correct me if I'm wrong, but an increase of 0.69 successful passes per game wouldn't indicate to me that he's become much more reliable. As my original point, it doesn't mean anything to me, neither positive or negative.
You make out as though coming on as a sub is easier than starting a game and I just wonder.... have you ever actually played football Ekeke?
I must just stress that I really don't wanna come across as a cock here, it's a genuine question. Most players I know and who I have played with, especially midfielders, find it very difficult to get into a game after coming on as a sub.
And I'm guessing Arteta has also "beefed up" his stats by providing a couple of assists in the same game(s).
You need to think this comparison through a little better.
We arent talking about assists.
No, we've never owned a football but I played subbuteo once.
I did make a quick edit but just not in time:
I must just stress that I really don't wanna come across as a cock here, it's a genuine question. Most players I know and who I have played with, especially midfielders, find it very difficult to get into a game after coming on as a sub.
I'm sure he has. But he hasnt just had 1 good game to beef up his stats like Anderson. He's followed it up to show it isnt a 1 off. He's been consistant.
Agreed, but that isn't the point you originally made. Anderson will need to be given games in order to show if he can match Arteta's consistency.
I'm glad you gave it a rethink.
Well its not that he hasnt got into the game is it, he's had plenty of touches and hasnt been anonymous. But I dont think he's been particularly creative till this week so I dont think the 93% pass accuracy means much. That was my point.
I think Anderson has it better than most central midfielders coming off the bench. He can clearly Boss the space at speed and thats going to be much harder to deal with after an hour than in the first few minutes.
And fair enough if you don't want to get carried away, but you always do this thing where once you've got a set opinion you make it really difficult for those arguing the opposite! Instead of just providing the numbers right there and then for people to analyse themselves you get evasive about the question. Agree with lem8sh though, key passes are a bollocks statistic. For what it's worth I agree that Anderson is well capable of being far more creative and incisive with his passing and should be creating a few chances a game.
I would really like to see Ando get a few games in before we meet City and then see him man up against Yaya Toure, who I fear would overpower Carrick.
Well I dont understand how you can argue key passes are a bollocks stat. You just have to make a list of the most creative players in the league (on form) and your list is going to look a lot like a list of the most key passes in the league. Its not an exact science because one player can be trying 5 yard passes after dribbling into space while another is trying 20 yard throughballs, but its as close as you'll get and a good guide. Plus hey you can look up throughballs too.
Good to see that Anderson's going to start the next match. He deserves to based on his current form. Hopefully he does well and starts to cement a place.
With Valencia injured, I'd like to see us go back towards the diamond for the next game. Play Anderson and cleverly next to each other, with carrick sitting behind them. Then have a front three of RVP, Rooney and Hernandez
With Valencia injured, I'd like to see us go back towards the diamond for the next game. Play Anderson and cleverly next to each other, with carrick sitting behind them. Then have a front three of RVP, Rooney and Hernandez
I like your thinking down under, Dargonk!
Key passes are not a bollocks statistic. The reason why Ando's rate is so poor is because WS do not ratio for playing time, he has only made one start and mostly substitute appearances, he certainly makes more than 25 passes per game on average! That said, he does need to improve that side of his game anyway, but the stats are skewed unfavourably, in this case.
Like all stats in isolation, 'key passes' are flawed, however, there is a significant correlation between creativity and number of key passes made, the stat is more pertinent at the top end as only good creative players are going to consistently make key passes.
For me, key passes are a more telling stat than assists, they are the include all assists anyway, but also highlight the chances that the strikers fail to finish.
It's a legit stat, fair enough to give a bit more credit to someone involved in a move without putting the finishing touches on it.
But I agree it's very loose. I bet they said the same back in the early 20th century when they were talking about 'assists'. "A fookin assist? How are we gonna remember that shite then lad. What a bollock statistic. Assist.. fook off."
The anoraks are taking over the thread, time to bail out!
The anoraks are taking over the thread, time to bail out!
Indeed. An argument between I'm Always Right and Ekeke is about as dull as, well, something really dull.
#Carl is yet to make one key post in this thread
What's a key post?
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Depends the circumstances of the game you are coming on to. Not set in stone that it is more difficult plus if you have being paying attention you could see ways and positions to take up that you could exploit the teams. The Baby faced assassin was king at this.
Agreed.
A stat from F365
United have gone behind in the last four PL games started by Paul Scholes (v Spurs, Stoke, Villa and QPR).
Yet Fergie keeps on wondering why we are starting slowly!
United have gone behind in the last four PL games started by Paul Scholes (v Spurs, Stoke, Villa and QPR).
Yet Fergie keeps on wondering why we are starting slowly!
Ando's earned his starting berth according to him. Lets hope he has a great game and keeps it.
Come on. The problem isn't just down to Scholes.
Scholes in his current state is a problem though, as long as Fergie's insisting on starting him in a midfield two.
No, but it has a lot to do with him, and with Giggs.
I don't believe that to be the case at all. I think both he and Giggs are more than capable of playing in a midfield 2 providing they're paired with someone who can get up and down.
Neither would be my first choice, obviously, but we seem to have this ridiculous thing now where Scholes and Giggs are the scape goats every time we don't play well.
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