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I think if any of our players look likely to go in the summer it is Anderson.

Yesterday was glaring for me that he didn't feature at all, especially seeing as we needed some drive going forward in the middle of the park.

It looks like the writing is on the wall when you have Fergie preferring Cleverley (in his first senior season) to play against Madrid and Chelsea in the space of a week, over Anderson, who is one of our more experienced players.
 
coolredwine said:
He has player over a 100 games for us and still hasn't shown that he is good enough for United.
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He's shown plenty of times that he's good enough for United, including plenty of times this season.

What he hasn't shown is that he can stay fit enough and in turn "in form" long enough for Manchester United.
 
I'm always right said:
He's shown plenty of times that he's good enough for United, including plenty of times this season.

What he hasn't shown is that he can stay fit enough and in turn "in form" long enough for Manchester United.
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Why is he our fourth choice midfielder then? Fergie has clearly lost patience in him.

People keep saying that when he's been fit this season he's been mostly very good, but if he has, why is he not getting game time now, when he's fit?
 
Cina said:
Why is he our fourth choice midfielder then? Fergie has clearly lost patience in him.
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Are you saying he hasn't shown himself to be top drawer at times here? If you are then you're clearly lying.

The reason he is 4th choice currently is because he's shit at regaining form and has terrible issues with injury. In December he'd been playing well enough to make himself first choice (or second behind Carrick) but injury derailed him again.

Cina said:
People keep saying that when he's been fit this season he's been mostly very good, but if he has, why is he not getting game time now, when he's fit?
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I wouldn't agree with that, he was mostly good before his injury but since returning from injury he's not been in in good form at all, hence why he's not getting game time.
 
He has shown to be capable at times but I think Fergie has finally lost his patience and really who can blame him?

He has been here for years now and should have made himself one of the first names on the teamsheet. Instead we have had to recall Scholes from retirement, persisted with Ryan Giggs in the middle (which isn't bad but he is 39 and still shines more than Anderson!), brought through Tom Cleverley who is now ahead of him in the pecking order and started a 19 year old Phil Jones out of position before him.

You have to say, injuries or not, it doesn't look particularly good does it?
 
I really thought (and hoped!) Ando was going to kick on after the Reading (away) game this season, he was in very good form at the time, but then he ends up getting injured in that very match, has a spell on the sidelines and returns in poor form.

He should have either started, or come on yesterday though. If Valencia is getting all these opportunities then why not Buttner or Anderson? (granted Valencia has more than deserved more patience/opportunities based on last season's form). It was clear our midfield and fullbacks needed a rest.
 
Brophs said:
On what basis? If he starts it would be down to Cleverley being knackered and/or being pretty poor yesterday (certainly in the second half, at least). I don't think Ando's done much to say he 'deserves' a start, given that his last run out was pretty awful.
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Not that he really deserves it looking his recent form(I was the first one who said he was awfull against Norwich), but considering we have no other options at the moment, by default we could use some other option in central midfield, and that option is, you can guess it - Anderson. Of course, that's because Scholes is still injured.
Cleverley isn't playing his best football at the moment, he looks exhausted, and his passing is very poor recently.
 
I'm always right said:
Are you saying he hasn't shown himself to be top drawer at times here? If you are then you're clearly lying.

The reason he is 4th choice currently is because he's shit at regaining form and has terrible issues with injury. In December he'd been playing well enough to make himself first choice (or second behind Carrick) but injury derailed him again.



I wouldn't agree with that, he was mostly good before his injury but since returning from injury he's not been in in good form at all, hence why he's not getting game time.
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Well you are agreeing. He's not playing because he's not been good enough when given chances. Anderson has at times shown he can play to a very high standard, but so have lots of players, the key is doing it for a sustained and consistent period of time which he clearly hasn't done otherwise he wouldn't be sitting in the bench so much.

I think Fergie has finally lost patience with him and his future here looks bleak.
 
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Moving on... I'm not arguing to be fair, I agree that his time might be running out here. If you remember our debate earlier in the season just after he picked up that injury I said, "he needs to return quickly and he needs to come straight back into form", it's now March and that hasn't happened. I'm still convinced that Anderson would be brilliant for us if he could go a full season without injury, but it seems less and less likely that will ever happen. He'll get fit, take a while to get into form, hit top form and then get injured again.

I still bet he won't be sold this summer though.
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Thank you for correcting my grammar! Anyhow does nob jockey start with a k? So again you were wrong on this one regarding Anderson?
 
I'm always right said:
Are you saying he hasn't shown himself to be top drawer at times here? If you are then you're clearly lying.

The reason he is 4th choice currently is because he's shit at regaining form and has terrible issues with injury. In December he'd been playing well enough to make himself first choice (or second behind Carrick) but injury derailed him again.
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Really? Top drawer? I'd say he's had a few good games where he's shown he had the potential to be top drawer, but he's far, far away from ever realising that potential. I think people have wanted him to step up for so long that they keep focusing on those odd good performances when in reality he is usually average at best. He has never been able to put together a consistent run of good performances and we're now basing all our impressions of the midfielder he "could" be on the odd good game from the past. The sad fact is he'll probably never fullfil his potential and we can't keep waiting for him to magically turn into the player he could have been.

At best he could be a good squad player for us, but even that would be dependent on him sorting his fitness out. Is that really what would be best for the club, or indeed Anderson himself? I think it's in our best interest to let him go so we can bring in new blood and it'd also be in his best interest as it would give him the chance to have a decent career at another club.
 
To be fair, he didn't say he is top drawer, just "at times" he has been, which he has, because when he's good, he's very good, but that's not enough, which is the problem.
 
Cina said:
Well you are agreeing. He's not playing because he's not been good enough when given chances. Anderson has at times shown he can play to a very high standard, but so have lots of players, the key is doing it for a sustained and consistent period of time which he clearly hasn't done otherwise he wouldn't be sitting in the bench so much.

I think Fergie has finally lost patience with him and his future here looks bleak.
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Would you say the same for Hernandez?
 
I've come round to like Anderson, he's a good character and a decent player. Doubt he's on the highest wages, like Young, never really understood the animosity aimed towards the two of them.
Having a strong squad is so important, and he's a valuable member, just he'll never live up to the apparent potential he had at Gremio and Porto, albeit in a different position.
 
Kid Cunto said:
He's a decent squad player, nothing more, nothing less.
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A squad player with serious fitness problems who seems to need a run of games to get any kind of form back. Not exactly a reliable squad player, is he? Think that if he's gonna make the most out of the rest of his career he needs to be at a club where he'll play regularly.
 
If he's fit, I'd imagine he'll play this weekend. Chelsea would've been a dangerous game to throw him back in.
 
Cina said:
Big difference between their situations.
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Hernandez has missed out in recent weeks due to being behind in the pecking order. Rooney and van Persie are ahead if him for the striker options while Welbeck is a tactical option for working hard in deeper positions.


Anderson has missed out in recent weeks due to being behind Carrick and Cleverley who have established themselves as first choice midfielders through great form. Phil Jones has been chosen as a tactical option for working hard in deeper positions.

I'd say its similar.
 
it's not. RvP and Rooney are two of the best players in the world. Carrick is class but Cleverley hasn't been great this season, Giggs is 40 and Jones isn't even a midfielder yet Anderson can't get in ahead of any. SAF trusts Hernandez enough to bring him on if we need a goal or start him if RvP/Rooney need a rest, we saw yesterday that that's not the case with Anderson anymore. Hernandez looks fit and can play regularly without getting injured, Anderson can't.

They're nothing alike.

EDIT: I can see you're trying to trick me here but I'm sure you know full well yourself that their situations are very different and what you're saying is pointless.
 
Cleverley has performed better, but I wouldn't say his fitness looks better. Also, I would still maintain that Ando's top level is higher than that of Cleverley's top level.

Cina does make a very good argument that good players need to be consistent. Messi is arguably the all time's great because of his consistency! Ronaldo is equally consistent. Xavi is/used to be giving consistent good performances over a season. In Carrick we also see great consistency, albeit not consitently as great as the aforementioned.

Anderson clearly has the ability, but he needs consistency to be considered top drawer and good enough for a starting XI.
 
Cleverley's been good this season. This notion that Carrick has carried our midfield single handedly this season is silly. Cleverley's given him very good support for most of it. Early on when Carrick partnered older legs he struggled big time. He needs the right partner to flourish smd cleverlys done well.
 
He's been good but not great. I'm not sure he's done enough to justify being a first choice midfielder at a club like this, but he is.
 
Cina said:
He's been good but not great. I'm not sure he's done enough to justify being a first choice midfielder at a club like this, but he is.
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Agree with that. The best way to judge our team is by comparing it to the other top teams in Europe: Barca, Real and Bayern. Would Cleverly be first choice for any of them? Doubt it. As for Anderson, he wouldn't even get on their bench. That's the level we should be aiming for.
 
The problem with Anderson is that Cleverley was playing so badly yesterday, it reminded me of watching Anderson when he's in poor form, and the alternative was to bring Anderson on, who's in poor form.

I couldn't justify being angry on his behalf. If anything I'd have prefered us to bring Welbeck on for Cleverley and make do with moving Kagawa a bit further back. In fact this is what I was expecting to happen. In my brain Anderson has been moved from the Anderson Not Allowed cage and into the Andersale holding pen.
 
Starts tonight for the U21's. He should be tearing apart dem youts.
 
Has just missed an absolute sitter, within about 6 yards
 
As a person I hope we keep him but as a player I don't think his long term futures here. It can change but I think it needs to happen soon for him. We need him to be fit. Tonights miss was bad but the conditions are bad. It just need him to get a run of 30 plus games back to back with no injuries I think to see him reach his peak
 
Cina said:
He's been good but not great. I'm not sure he's done enough to justify being a first choice midfielder at a club like this, but he is.
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Lack of competition means that he has been first choice almost by default. Even when he has played poor, he has generally still got into the first 11.
 
One thing is for sure, no one can argue that Anderson has not been given time and patience at this club to prove himself as a regular first team midfielder. He has never been great consistantly...spurts of goodness....but spent all to quickly....
 
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