Antoine Griezmann - Performances 2017/18

Form is temporary, class is permanent!....we are elite because we grew organically from the 1950s and to say we are not elite right now is simply untrue and lending itself to the new money theory....we are elite like Rolls Royce is elite.....timeless....barren years count for shit in comparison to the underpinning reasons which built an empire!

Anyway, it's not about United but Atletico. What you are saying here should apply to Atletico, historically it's a big spanish club and in recent time they are one of the best team in the world. They also grew organically.
 
He deserved getting punch in the face by Lenox Lewis or Mike Tyson for that L gesture alone. Saying that, i dont mind Lingard getting punch too for all his shitty celebration.

Yup and let's not forget Ali.
 
Anyway, it's not about United but Atletico. What you are saying here should apply to Atletico, historically it's a big spanish club and in recent time they are one of the best team in the world. They also grew organically.

But we offer global appeal because you can throw in romance, tragedy, great pay, massive PR.....we have a lot of things in our history...players especially from times long gone.....which make us a completely different attraction. The opportunities for not needing to chase money (as Ferguson said) are there in abundance......That's why I cannot fathom Atletico, a well run and highly successful club really being ranked near United. There is still a vast gulf in so many other areas......

10 years of success for example doesn't get you close to what we had over 25 years....
 
Reading this thinking 'is there some football being played now?'. 'Oh it's the Europe final, sweet'...'oh, it's finished'.

Put the highlights on to watch the goals and missed them all distracted by the interwebs lawwwl feck
 
But we offer global appeal because you can throw in romance, tragedy, great pay, massive PR.....we have a lot of things in our history...players especially from times long gone.....which make us a completely different attraction. The opportunities for not needing to chase money (as Ferguson said) are there in abundance......That's why I cannot fathom Atletico, a well run and highly successful club really being ranked near United. There is still a vast gulf in so many other areas......

10 years of success for example doesn't get you close to what we had over 25 years....

Again this isn't about United, you are arguing alone here. He suggested that Atletico weren't an elite club and that's the disagreement, if you want to put United above them based on the criteria that you exposed it's fine, but it doesn't make Atletico not an elite club in 2018.
 
He would fit better at Barca. We need a winger and he is not that. We already have Second strikers in Sanchez, Martial, Rashford and even Mata.
Suarez - Griezmann
Messi
Coutinho --- Rakitic
Busquets
Alba - Umtiti - Pique - Semedo
Ter Stegen​
Pretty sure we can do a similar formation as well

Lukaku-Griezmann
Sanchez
Pogba-New MF
Matic
 
The ideal scenario is we buy him, he plays shit for us because of how we set up and he goes to Barca for less money than what we paid for him. Everyones a winner (expect us, as per)
 
The ideal scenario is we buy him, he plays shit for us because of how we set up and he goes to Barca for less money than what we paid for him. Everyones a winner (expect us, as per)
Pretty much. Clubs would be foolish to try and outbid us.
 
Form is temporary, class is permanent!....we are elite because we grew organically from the 1950s and to say we are not elite right now is simply untrue and lending itself to the new money theory....we are elite like Rolls Royce is elite.....timeless....barren years count for shit in comparison to the underpinning reasons which built an empire!

Spot on.
 
He would fit better at Barca. We need a winger and he is not that. We already have Second strikers in Sanchez, Martial, Rashford and even Mata.
Suarez - Griezmann
Messi
Coutinho --- Rakitic
Busquets
Alba - Umtiti - Pique - Semedo
Ter Stegen​
Do you hate Busquets?
Because it looks as if you hate Busquets.
 
Pretty sure we can do a similar formation as well

Lukaku-Griezmann
Sanchez
Pogba-New MF
Matic
Totally true. That's why I have mentioned in other posts that Dybala could be a good signing.

With proper fullbacks we could play 442 (diamond) formation.
 
What's the point of this, you know that it's completely irrelevant. The rare people that didn't want were people that didn't knew him and thought that he lacked technique or speed, the people who thought that he would be shunted on the right and people who thought that he didn't want to come anyway. And bear in mind that it was a minority, the vast majority of posters absolutely wanted him.
Sorry, it was meant to be a joke :wenger:.
 
When he joined Atletico he was just a quick winger. Now he is a complete striker. Simeone has worked very well with him.
 
The ideal scenario is we buy him, he plays shit for us because of how we set up and he goes to Barca for less money than what we paid for him. Everyones a winner (expect us, as per)

Yes because Atleti are known for their swashbuckling football.
 
Pretending we signed him where could he play that's not shoehorning him? I feel he's the quality we need but not the position we need.

We'd have to play a midfield two for it to work i think. Insert fantasy right wing signing, perhaps willian as likely be offer a little more defensively:

.............matic......pogba......

Willian....griezemann......Sanchez

..................lukaku..........

Looks full of quality but still unbalanced unless pogba gets Carrick coached to the extreme.

Probably redundant as seems barca bound
 
Top player. It's a shame he'll be off to Barca and whoever's in charge will have to find a way to accommodate him and Messi.
 
Anyway, it's not about United but Atletico. What you are saying here should apply to Atletico, historically it's a big spanish club and in recent time they are one of the best team in the world. They also grew organically.

is that true? weren't they done for financial irregularities and were spending money as if it were going out of fashion in the early 2000's and had huge tax debts and now they've had to turn to China for investment for the new ground.
 
Pretending we signed him where could he play that's not shoehorning him? I feel he's the quality we need but not the position we need.

We'd have to play a midfield two for it to work i think. Insert fantasy right wing signing, perhaps willian as likely be offer a little more defensively:

.............matic......pogba......

Willian....griezemann......Sanchez

..................lukaku..........

Looks full of quality but still unbalanced unless pogba gets Carrick coached to the extreme.

Probably redundant as seems barca bound
More likely it would have to be 4-4-2 formation but even then someone would have to make way. All the midfielders including Willian would have to be hard working and very disciplined.

Willian Matic Fred Pogba
Griezmann Lukaku

Width coming from fullbacks. Atletico have four hardworking midfielders and off the ball sit back with two banks of four. This is probably the only way he could fit in and even Sanchez wouldn't get in because we need to have Pogba with two midfielders behind. If we hadn't got Sanchez maybe there would've been room but now it will only create more selection problems.​
 
is that true? weren't they done for financial irregularities and were spending money as if it were going out of fashion in the early 2000's and had huge tax debts and now they've had to turn to China for investment for the new ground.

Well, Atletico didn't pop up out of nowhere, their most successful period was before Gil's tenure, Gil's tenure wasn't successful and has very little place in their current success which has been built around Simeone, their academy and Mendes, the stadium is indeed sponsored by Dalian Wanda who bought 20% of the club in 2015 but no club will finance a stadium without outside help. There are numerous donations in the history of clubs like Manchester United, the initial construction of Old Trafford being an example.