Which has been twice, I think if Jose fancied him as a #9 he'd have rested Ibra more and used Rashford as a striker in the cups, he recently listed Martial and Rashford as wide options and I think that's where we'll see both under Mourinho.
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Which has been twice, I think if Jose fancied him as a #9 he'd have rested Ibra more and used Rashford as a striker in the cups, he recently listed Martial and Rashford as wide options and I think that's where we'll see both under Mourinho.
We would have seen that more if martial or Rashford had been in their primes (24-25). All in all for me Zlatan is currently a much better striker than either of them.
I agree that Ibra is still a superior #9 but in the case of Martial I think it's just a select group of fans think he'll be a striker, to me Jose is trying to continue his devleopment from last season into a Marco Reus type wide attacker. With Rashford his hold-up play is not suited to how Jose likes his strikers to play.
What do you think about Griezmann, though?
I can't claim to watch a lot of Atletico this season but looking at his stats his level has dropped a bit in the past month or so? Admittedly, it looks like Atletico as a whole are struggling a bit this year, but Griezmann himself hasn't scored in the league for 5 games. I'm sure he'll pick it up once Atletico start performing well again: I mean his overall stats for the season seem great - 15 goals(9)/assists(6) in 19 appearances.
Atleti as a whole have been poor recently, not exactly sure why TBH. It's very uncharacteristic of a team that's usually so well drilled to lose by such a large margin against Real, for example.
Lol, i dont know how it even got in the griezmann thread, i hadnt even been in it. Re griezmann im not sure i care either way. I think we should be going 4-3-3. If the manager disagrees then fair enough. We do need more goals mind...What do you think about Griezmann, though?
Watched him against Bayern in the first half and thought he was a bit quiet, but then I've seen him have plenty of great matches.
I'd be up for Griezmann even though we're not desperate for a player in his position, we need goals and he's one of the best at scoring them so it's a move that would make a lot of sense.
Plus he's a fairly big name so Woody would love it.
I'd be up for Griezmann even though we're not desperate for a player in his position, we need goals and he's one of the best at scoring them so it's a move that would make a lot of sense.
Plus he's a fairly big name so Woody would love it.
Very hard to keep playing that way and stay successful over a long period. The fact Simeone has been so successful over a long period with such an attritional style of play is very impressive.
I think Griezmann likes playing with Torres as Torres caters his game to him, with Gameiro it's still a work in progress and Gamewiro is more direct and less of a hold up player. The other thing is Carrasco is really coming to the fore as an attacking outlet for Atleti and a lot of his play is to craft openings for himself.
Not sure I really want Griezmann. He's more of a second striker than #10, and we need a CB, CM and CF before we think about that position.
Yeah, second strikers seem a little bit outdated and innefficient nowadays. Of course if we do make a serious move i'll still go full muppet.
Yeah, his brother might be a United fan and want him to sign for us, but if I always did what my brother wanted then I'd never get anything done for all the fecking off and dying I'd be doing.
Antoine himself is a United fan and chose the no. 7 in honor of Becks. I think it's only right for him to hide his fandom considering Atleti pays his wages, which is why you don't see him Tweeting about us.
I'm allergic to huge transfers at this moment in time.
Another couple of 'next big thing' signings would make me happier wherever they come out of. I mean the Dortmund model with weigl, dembele and mor type players. Young players who wouldn't always start straight away but would be in the first team squad battling for a place and not particularly with the youth team like Chong and Baars etc. A talented young central mid, striker and winger of that ilk would be great as they would have time to bed in during this transitional period and would probably cost the same as Greizmann.
The scrutiny on these huge transfers mean that almost anything less than single handedly restoring the team to its former glory is seen as a bad return. The pressure is huge. There's less pressure on younger players and their ceiling is still unknown too. I know we are top of the food chain in some ways (wages and fees) but I think we should be using this to get the absolute best young players out there before they make their big move instead of always chasing superstars.
Greizmann is amazing, don't get me wrong, but we could have had him off sociadad for a third of the fee and wages if we were a little more with it with young European talent. He's always looked like a good player.
Another couple of 'next big thing' signings would make me happier wherever they come out of. I mean the Dortmund model with weigl, dembele and mor type players. Young players who wouldn't always start straight away but would be in the first team squad battling for a place and not particularly with the youth team like Chong and Baars etc. A talented young central mid, striker and winger of that ilk would be great as they would have time to bed in during this transitional period and would probably cost the same as Greizmann.
The scrutiny on these huge transfers mean that almost anything less than single handedly restoring the team to its former glory is seen as a bad return. The pressure is huge. There's less pressure on younger players and their ceiling is still unknown too. I know we are top of the food chain in some ways (wages and fees) but I think we should be using this to get the absolute best young players out there before they make their big move instead of always chasing superstars.
Greizmann is amazing, don't get me wrong, but we could have had him off sociadad for a third of the fee and wages if we were a little more with it with young European talent. He's always looked like a good player.
I understand this sentiment entirely, but I think we have enough promising younger players, with a lot of hype around them. What we still lack are players in the prime of their careers, or about to enter their primes. I'm talking about top class players in the 23-29 age range. I think we need to go a step beyond players who are young, a la Dembele etc., and more towards players who have time on their side, but have made that big breakthrough and already established themselves. Players like Carrasco, who have gone through the growing pains already, learned their trade, and are on the cusp of potentially being brilliant.
Mourinho is the first manager, since Fergie retired, to buy players of the requisite quality or potential, and at the right age (Zlatan aside). Moyes had two panic signings, and Van Gaal signed so many average, disinterested or ill fitting players, it defies belief.
We did try to sign Fabregas, Benzema and Bale (although a year or two too late). The first two were against the odds, but Bale was eminently possible had we not dithered......
That's the thing. All of joses signings have been good for sure. The main issue is it hasn't all clicked yet. I think Jose is better in the market than either other manager we've had since Fergie but to build a team through transfers takes time either way.
I'd just like to see some young and talented players on the cusp of first teams joining us too. Think martial but not as expensive I guess?! : ) Not one or the other really. If Greizmann is available and Jose thinks he'll complete the team or markedly improve us then do it by all means. I definitely trust Jose far more to make that call than LVG!
I do think a DOF is probably a pretty good idea though. We've gotten very little return from absolutely huge player investment so far but that's a conversation for a different thread! : )
I'd just like to see some young and talented players on the cusp of first teams joining us too. Think martial but not as expensive I guess?! : ) Not one or the other really. If Greizmann is available and Jose thinks he'll complete the team or markedly improve us then do it by all means. I definitely trust Jose far more to make that call than LVG!
I do think a DOF is probably a pretty good idea though. We've gotten very little return from absolutely huge player investment so far but that's a conversation for a different thread! : )
I agree.
Cmon I would take him over Zlatan as a number 9
He won't come to a mid table team.
Still don't think that Griezmann and Pogba thrive in the same formations. Besides, his best position is basically the same as Mata's and Mkhitaryan's and those are two of Utd's best players.
Nope, madness to even think of buying Pogba/Zlatan/Miki etc. There is realism, there is optimism then there is being a defeatist "why bother" ism.
I'll let you decide which of those you are. We are in transition, it WON'T last forever (Bayern are too) it happens to all clubs. Get behind the team, we are Manchester United.
On topic I don't think he'd fit into the same side as Miki/Pogba/Mata as he'd be anther ball player when we need pace.
He was reliable over the Summer right?
He does have contacts at the club but he also does make up a lot of stuff banking on people believing that.
I personally doubt he is going to know anything this early. Even if there is a deal in place, it's probably something the top dogs alone know (Jose ed Arnold and all). I doubt any of them would give him information
I'd love it if we signed him, he is close to the perfect player to play behind a striker like Zlatan.
This would be mouthwatering for next season.
This would be mouthwatering for next season.
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There's just no way we'd play without a proper CDM. Greizman would either play out wide, or replace Zlatan up top. The fact that its been well-reported that Jose's on the lookout for a replacement for Carrick suggests we'll continue to play a 3-man midfield, and I hope we do so. Neither Herrera nor Pogba fill me with any confidence about shielding the back 4.
I would love Griezmann but I think it would spell the end for Mata who I love at this club. Can't help but be torn on this one
Lots of games in a season, Mata not going anywhere.
Could also be an option as our CF, with Zlatan rotating next season and Griezmann moving to other front 4 positions.
If you watch some of the French team social media stuff. He plays as Arsenal in FM
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