Antonio Valencia | 2009/10 Performances

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Well, he's found his goal threat now.

Didnt have a great game but took his chance well late on. He has adapted quite well to the Manchester United team and is holding down that right wing spot as his own. I didnt think he would score this many goals so soon and its nice to be proved wrong. I look forward to seeing him continue this rate of progress and develop into the winger that we believe he can be.
 
Who cares about the way he fecking celebrates? I'm happy as long as he keeps on scoring and playing well!
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
He might have been a bit frustrated with his own performance, and it was a three nill goal in a game we were already cruising after all, so there was no major reason to celebrate much.
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But still you would like him to show some emotion, the only time i've even seen him crack a smile was when Anderson assisted his goal against West Ham - hmm....
 
Fergie: Valencia improving fast

Fergie: Valencia improving fast

Summer recruit Antonio Valencia is improving fast, says Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson. The former Wigan Athletic right-winger, recruited for more than £16 million, has now scored six times in an increasingly prosperous season. It is already the Ecuadorian’s highest scoring campaign in European football.

“Antonio is improving, there is no question about that,” said Ferguson of the winger who has appeared 19 times this season.

“He was only a quiet lad when he came but he is more expansive now and he is expressing himself on the pitch very well.

“Six goals is a decent return because we know it is an area he can do better in. Overall we are really pleased with him.”

Valencia scored United’s third goal in the club’s victory over Wolverhampton Wanderers at Old Trafford Wednesday night, in addition to strikes against CSKA Moscow, West Ham United and Bolton Wanderers.

The unassuming 24-year-old, handed the unenviable task of replacing Cristiano Ronaldo at United, is winning over both fans and manager with increasingly influential performances for the club.

Fergie: Valencia improving fast | United Rant
 
dev1l said:
Fergie: Valencia improving fast

Summer recruit Antonio Valencia is improving fast, says Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson. The former Wigan Athletic right-winger, recruited for more than £16 million, has now scored six times in an increasingly prosperous season. It is already the Ecuadorian’s highest scoring campaign in European football.

“Antonio is improving, there is no question about that,” said Ferguson of the winger who has appeared 19 times this season.

“He was only a quiet lad when he came but he is more expansive now and he is expressing himself on the pitch very well.

“Six goals is a decent return because we know it is an area he can do better in. Overall we are really pleased with him”

Valencia scored United’s third goal in the club’s victory over Wolverhampton Wanderers at Old Trafford Wednesday night, in addition to strikes against CSKA Moscow, West Ham United and Bolton Wanderers.

The unassuming 24-year-old, handed the unenviable task of replacing Cristiano Ronaldo at United, is winning over both fans and manager with increasingly influential performances for the club.

Fergie: Valencia improving fast | United Rant
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Again, obsession of replacing players by others.
 
Its such a joke fans are so impatient these days. He hasnt even settled in fully yet and he's one goal away from matching his goal tally for wigan for the last 3 seasons. Now if that isnt progress I dont know what is.
 
Sometimes I'd like to see him show a bit more emotion, just so it doesn't take me a few seconds to realize that the goal hasn't been disallowed, but it's a bit ridiculous that people are making a big deal out of this. People are different and react differently. Why not just respect that.

Plus, if he's scoring goals to not celebrate, isn't that the most important thing? Actually the more I think about it the more absurd I find it that goal celebrations seem so to matter at all.
 
Coca Cola said:
Sometimes I'd like to see him show a bit more emotion, just so it doesn't take me a few seconds to realize that the goal hasn't been disallowed, but it's a bit ridiculous that people are making a big deal out of this. People are different and react differently. Why not just respect that.

Plus, if he's scoring goals to not celebrate, isn't that the most important thing? Actually the more I think about it the more absurd I find it that goal celebrations seem so to matter at all.
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It's actually quite funny. I often read posts/threads on here and wonder what a lower league football fan might think.

"Sure our new winger is settling in well, is quick as feck, strong as an ox, works his socks off and has already scored more goals in his first 3 months at the club than he did in the last 3 years in his previous club but you know, I still have my doubts...

I'm not too keen on the way he celebrates goals.

Not sure it's United quality, if I'm honest..."
 
Alex said:
I don't rate Rafael as a defender, I'd rather have Brown there anyday. Plus the young lad cant even make it through a full 90 minutes, he's the new Hargreaves, who actually I think could do very well on the right side behind Valencia
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rafael and his brother hadn't even played professional football before last pre season - it was their first season here and there were 18........

What mistakes actually resulted in goals with rafael playing? He's played around 30 games for our first team.....maybe your thinking of his brother?

They're still growing, getting used to this league. Hargreaves and brown are vastly more experienced and both tend to be injury prone too
 
he's understated but he's meant to be shy anyway. I don't see the problem. He's happy here, he's settlnig in well. It's good and i'm sure on the odd occasion there will be times he does celebrate or they do a group thing to help him out
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's actually quite funny. I often read posts/threads on here and wonder what a lower league football fan might think.

"Sure our new winger is settling in well, is quick as feck, strong as an ox, works his socks off and has already scored more goals in his first 3 months at the club than he did in the last 3 years in his previous club but you know, I still have my doubts...

I'm not too keen on the way he celebrates goals.

Not sure it's United quality, if I'm honest..."
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I'm sure even lower league fans have seen Jerry Maguire.
 
I have noticed a few things about valencia, I wanted to know if you guys agree, please do let me know what you think of this:

1.valencia has been great and has exceeded my expectations. he is really great close to the sidelines, when he is actually sticking to the wings. he does manage to get space for a cross and also mixes his crosses well by sometimes cutting them back. he is pacy and can get past him man.
2.but i feel he has a weakness, when he is cutting in and is closer to the middle, he is not that comfortable. he is not able to do much, he also does not want to use his left foot and that really does limit his options when cutting inside. he does not seem to be a very potent threat when he is not sticking to the wing.

the second point hurts us when we play a 4-3-3. i sometimes end up feeling that in these cases rooney ends up becoming our only threat. against strong opposition, especially in europe where we would want to use a 4-3-3 having just one serious threat is not enough.

I am just worried a front three of giggs, rooney and valencia is just not good enough.
 
ryan_forlan said:
I am just worried a front three of giggs, rooney and valencia is just not good enough.
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21 goals and 13 assists, or 34 goals scored/created overall, in 50 starts between them is hardly a bad record though.
 
ryan_forlan said:
I have noticed a few things about valencia, I wanted to know if you guys agree, please do let me know what you think of this:

1.valencia has been great and has exceeded my expectations. he is really great close to the sidelines, when he is actually sticking to the wings. he does manage to get space for a cross and also mixes his crosses well by sometimes cutting them back. he is pacy and can get past him man.
2.but i feel he has a weakness, when he is cutting in and is closer to the middle, he is not that comfortable. he is not able to do much, he also does not want to use his left foot and that really does limit his options when cutting inside. he does not seem to be a very potent threat when he is not sticking to the wing.

the second point hurts us when we play a 4-3-3. i sometimes end up feeling that in these cases rooney ends up becoming our only threat. against strong opposition, especially in europe where we would want to use a 4-3-3 having just one serious threat is not enough.

I am just worried a front three of giggs, rooney and valencia is just not good enough.
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4-3-3 suits our midfield 4-4-2 suits our forwards....we dont have the ideal players for all aspects of either formation though....unfortunatly i agree about the front 3....away at Chelsea highlighted this fact perfectly for me...we played brilliantly that afternoon dominated the game for large periods and our midfield were different class...BUT up top we didnt really create any clear cut chances and looked quite impotent if were totaly honest and ultimatly payed for not creating much...thats the worry at the very top level where cups are won and lost do we have the x factor in the final third....not so worried about this in the league but in europe its a big factor..
 
Brwned said:
21 goals and 13 assists, or 34 goals scored/created overall, in 50 starts between them is hardly a bad record though.
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True but against the better oppositon weve faced we havnt looked particually threatening up top with a 4-3-3...against the pompeys and west hams its more than enough...against the chelseas and Arsenals its doubtfull..
 
And ok's not enough?

Having a player who you can rely on in big games to not let you down is a massive asset.
 
Ok is just that, ok. Ok doesn't cut it against the top caliber teams. You can get away with it against Wolves. We battered Chelsea in the midfield battle, yet came away with nothing. At the moment, Rooney is the only one I would trust to turn the game around, and even he is inconsistent.
 
adexkola said:
Ok is just that, ok. Ok doesn't cut it against the top caliber teams. You can get away with it against Wolves. We battered Chelsea in the midfield battle, yet came away with nothing. At the moment, Rooney is the only one I would trust to turn the game around, and even he is inconsistent.
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Valencia was asked to do a job on Ashley cole against Chelsea and he did it perfectly not to mention he should have had a clear penalty after Terry forgot he was playing football and not rugby....Valencias more than good enough in the big games...id actually worry about Giggs more than Valencia in such games....
 
That's all I remember him for, his work on Ashley Cole, which he did wel. He didn't do much in terms of creating chances. From what I recall, he didn't do so well against Liverpool, but who did?

He's top notch against your regular team. I want to see how he performs against top teams for real.
 
adexkola said:
That's all I remember him for, his work on Ashley Cole, which he did wel. He didn't do much in terms of creating chances.
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But that was the role he was asked to do by the management....he cant do much more than whats hes asked to do...and like i said had it not been for an incompotent ref hed have been the main source of our only goal on the day....
 
adexkola said:
That's all I remember him for, his work on Ashley Cole, which he did wel. He didn't do much in terms of creating chances. From what I recall, he didn't do so well against Liverpool, but who did?

He's top notch against your regular team. I want to see how he performs against top teams for real.
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He never will until he improves his final delivery, he has the pace to beat a fullback he now needs the delivery to go with it
 
He still has plenty of time though, and I'm backing him to merge the 2 at a certain point.

I bet at the beginning of the season he wouldn't cross the 10 goal tally for us. I got egg on my face now
 
adexkola said:
That's all I remember him for, his work on Ashley Cole, which he did wel. He didn't do much in terms of creating chances. From what I recall, he didn't do so well against Liverpool, but who did?

He's top notch against your regular team. I want to see how he performs against top teams for real.
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He was one of our better players, maybe even our best against Pool, and was a crossbar shot away from scoring an equalizer.
 
it is good to see that most of my points have been made by others.
i want to clarify, i really do rate valencia and i am not criticizing him. all i am saying is that in a front three of him rooney and giggs we end up lacking quite a bit.
i agree with someone who said up there that one should be more worried about giggs. i wanted to take his name aswell, but considering the kind of cutting edge he provides some times is class.

about the chelsea game, he was supposed to do a job on cole and he did well. but my point is when we have three players responsible for attacking, out of which one is not pacy anymore and kind of unpredictable(giggs). if we have a player like valencia who is supposed to do a job on cashley and not the other way around, then we just are left with rooney, and it was too evident at the bridge.

i like valencia, and if we had a player who could trouble the right of chelsea's defense or inflict fear in them like rooney did through the middle, then valencia is perfect to have on our right.

with the aformentioned front three we end up having only one obvious threat who can scare top opposition defenses.

on the other side in a 4-4-2 valencia is ok, as we have more options.
this is not a 4-4-2 vs 4-3-3, to me 4-3-3 makes sense a lot of times. all i am saying is we are not adequately equipped to play a 4-3-3 as valencia with giggs and rooney with him can't deliver what is needed in that system.
 
R.Nilsson7 said:
He was one of our better players, maybe even our best against Pool, and was a crossbar shot away from scoring an equalizer.
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we had berba that day, hence we had berba, rooney, valencia and giggs.
also no one is questioning his performances even against chelsea. it is just his style, he does put in a shift. but i don't think that sort of a shift is what we need in a front three of him rooney and giggs
 
ryan_forlan said:
we had berba that day, hence we had berba, rooney, valencia and giggs.
also no one is questioning his performances even against chelsea. it is just his style, he does put in a shift. but i don't think that sort of a shift is what we need in a front three of him rooney and giggs
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Even since the Chelsea game his style has changed and in our past couple of games when the attack's going down the left he's headed for the six yard box.
 
adexkola said:
Ok is just that, ok. Ok doesn't cut it against the top caliber teams. You can get away with it against Wolves. We battered Chelsea in the midfield battle, yet came away with nothing. At the moment, Rooney is the only one I would trust to turn the game around, and even he is inconsistent.
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His performance against Chelsea did cut it, and if he performed like that in every big game he'd be fine.

Hit the bar against Liverpool too, FWIW.

Giggs against Liverpool was poor. Don't remember him being much better against Chelsea. So Valencia performed better in two of the biggest games we've had than one of our best players this season.

It's nice to have a player you can rely on to not perform poorly.

Giggs is as likely to put in a 6/10 performance as he is to put in an 8/10 in a big game. Can't see why that's any better than someone who consistently puts in at least a 7/10.
 
Brwned said:
His performance against Chelsea did cut it, and if he performed like that in every big game he'd be fine.

Hit the bar against Liverpool too, FWIW.

Giggs against Liverpool was poor. Don't remember him being much better against Chelsea. So Valencia performed better in two of the biggest games we've had than one of our best players this season.

It's nice to have a player you can rely on to not perform poorly.

Giggs is as likely to put in a 6/10 performance as he is to put in an 8/10 in a big game. Can't see why that's any better than someone who consistently puts in at least a 7/10.
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you are not better it really is great to have someone who you can know can put in a good performance consistently. i would rather have that than an unpredictable giggs, hence if we do need to replace any one of the front three it would be giggs for me.

but ya i still stand by the fact that he is better in a 4-4-2 and that we need a new player or a different front 3
 
Valencia is the best money for performance signing in a couple of years, 10+ mil class that is
 
Brwned said:
His performance against Chelsea did cut it, and if he performed like that in every big game he'd be fine.

Hit the bar against Liverpool too, FWIW.

Giggs against Liverpool was poor. Don't remember him being much better against Chelsea. So Valencia performed better in two of the biggest games we've had than one of our best players this season.

It's nice to have a player you can rely on to not perform poorly.

Giggs is as likely to put in a 6/10 performance as he is to put in an 8/10 in a big game. Can't see why that's any better than someone who consistently puts in at least a 7/10.
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Defensively, yes. In an attacking sense, we might as well put Park in there. In such a big game, we will need others apart from Rooney to provide the goods when needed. It is possible to combine both defensive impregnability and attacking prowess.
 
MST3K said:
Crossing was gash today. Couldnt make it past the first defender and didnt look to have his usual burst of pace.

wonder if he will worn down, not being use to playing so many games and all
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Agreed that he looks a bit tired recently, but don't think we can afford to give him a rest.

His crossing hasn't improved much though, still far too flat for my liking. The positive aspect of him so far is his support play which is very intelligent, just wasn't evident today.
 
He was a bit meh when taking on players today but he showed some spirit and agression. No balls were played out to him in the first half though he was one of our better players in the second. (Not saying much)
 
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