Are Russia preparing for WW3?

Depleted Uranium is neither especially dangerous nor uncommon to be used, every single major army in the world (except Germany) uses it as a measure to improve their anti-tank shells and anti-Bunker bombs. Russia does as well. So before spouting nonsense, start doubting your own media like you are demanding us to do ours.
I am not on board with much of what @Water Melon spouts, but there has been an increase in birth defects and cancer in Fallujah after we blasted it all to hell.
 
I am not on board with much of what @Water Melon spouts, but there has been an increase in birth defects and cancer in Fallujah after we blasted it all to hell.
Of course there has, to this day kids are being born with horrible birth defects, and to this day the US denies using depleted uranium. The media has their knives out over unverified chemical attacks allegedly carried out by the Syrian regime yet digs its head in the sand everytime fallujah, Israeli white phosphorous or rebels using chemical weapons themselves is mentioned.
 
Yeah, great idea for the US media to tell the world the CIA is preparing a covert cyber attack against the Russians, best give them a heads up :lol::wenger:

That's a part of the psychology of it. Leaking it to the media so they can wind the Russians up a bit before actually doing something.
 
That's a part of the psychology of it. Leaking it to the media so they can wind the Russians up a bit before actually doing something.
And not expect the Russians to preemptively position themselves to prepare for such an attack? Seems a bit shortsighted to me.

Not exactly seeing what use there is provoking the Russians further with a pointless act of machismo here, not as if tensions arent dangerously volatile as they are...
 
Of course there has, to this day kids are being born with horrible birth defects, and to this day the US denies using depleted uranium. The media has their knives out over unverified chemical attacks allegedly carried out by the Syrian regime yet digs its head in the sand everytime fallujah, Israeli white phosphorous or rebels using chemical weapons themselves is mentioned.
It's one of those untold or, at least, underreported tragedies of war. Like all the children growing up in a world of violence with no proper education in that region or wherever they've fled to.
 
And not expect the Russians to preemptively position themselves to prepare for such an attack? Seems a bit shortsighted to me.

Not exactly seeing what use there is provoking the Russians further with a pointless act of machismo here, not as if tensions arent dangerously volatile as they are...

If the US want to hit them hard they will be defenseless.
 
If the US want to hit them hard they will be defenseless.
And it'll be documented prior what their intentions were, unprovoked too by the sounds of it. Not exactly great diplomacy on the world stage.

The whole idea behind cyber attacks is their clandestine nature and hence denying any involvement after. Not basically admitting to the world you want to act like cnuts for a bit of a wind up.
 
And it'll be documented prior what their intentions were, unprovoked too by the sounds of it. Not exactly great diplomacy on the world stage.

The whole idea behind cyber attacks is their clandestine nature and hence denying any insolvent after. Not basically admitting to the world you want to act like cnuts for a bit of a wind up.

There's no magical rule that says cyber attacks have to be clandestine.
 
There's no magical rule that says cyber attacks have to be clandestine.
Perhaps not but most are, and for good reason too. You don't want to have to admit that you were deliberately sabotaging a rival nation or enemy's cyber infrastructure.
 
Perhaps not but most are, and for good reason too. You don't want to have to admit that you were deliberately sabotaging a rival nation or enemy's cyber infrastructure.

I'd imagine deliberately leaking it to the press without publicly admitting anything, then carrying out a massive and crippling cyber attack against government infrastructure as well as Putin and his cronies personal accounts will be the US way of saying we are doing this to you as a response to your attempting to hack into our elections. Needless to say that sort of thing won't in a million years be allowed to go unanswered as it will only encourage more.
 
Perhaps not but most are, and for good reason too. You don't want to have to admit that you were deliberately sabotaging a rival nation or enemy's cyber infrastructure.
There had to be a public response when a foreign government is trying to rig an election. It's not like the Russians will be like 'Oh shit! I guess we should get some virus protection now!'
 
Perhaps not but most are, and for good reason too. You don't want to have to admit that you were deliberately sabotaging a rival nation or enemy's cyber infrastructure.
I think you misunderstood what the attack would be. Seems like the US government is threatening to leak damaging information about Putin and pals. They're not going in and replacing their UI's with US flags.
 
If you look up numbers down the years, since the USSR opened it's gates around 1990, you'll see how many people immigrated to the US. And how many people immigrate from the states to Russia?

My point in all of that is if the US is so evil, and Russia is so good, how come people want to come and live here and not in Russia?

To clarify, I don't mean by this that every single Russian thinks that way. I'm pointing the trend as a whole.

Sorry, but that's a dumb analogy. Of course, the US is still the preferred destination for most immigrants, and not only from the former USSR, simply because it's the most economically advanced country in the world, so it's only natural that people from across the world tend to move there.

But here's a fun fact for you: according to UN Population Division estimates, as of 2013, the Russian Federation was second only to the United States in the sheer number of immigrants.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-the-worlds-second-largest-immigration-haven-11053
It's the same reason: for all the problems in Russia, the living conditions and wages are far better there than in most neighboring countries.

And no, it's not a trend when according to the article I'd posted earlier, only 0,1% of the population are actively trying to immigrate to the US.
 
I think you misunderstood what the attack would be. Seems like the US government is threatening to leak damaging information about Putin and pals. They're not going in and replacing their UI's with US flags.

It's still pretty dumb to announce it in advance.
 
It's still pretty dumb to announce it in advance.
Depends why someone leaked it. Could just be so the attacks send a public message. Could just be someone who wants to force the administration to pull the trigger sooner. Whoever went public isn't doing it for shits and giggles, and will be certain that it won't interfere with the attack itself.
 
It's still pretty dumb to announce it in advance.
Like I said earlier, there had to be a public response after what happened. Otherwise this administration would come off looking even weaker, which would not be good given how we've approached Syria with red lines and all that...
 
It's still pretty dumb to announce it in advance.

I'm starting to think the the whole thing is a big ruse to distract us all from something. No one leaks to the media they're about to do a big attack.
 
How strong is Russia from a conventional military point of view? They got their asses kicked a few times by the Chechens and had troubles with the Georgian ground military as well before they fully utilised their superiority in the air to bomb Georgia.
 
How strong is Russia from a conventional military point of view? They got their asses kicked a few times by the Chechens and had troubles with the Georgian ground military as well before they fully utilised their superiority in the air to bomb Georgia.

Stronger than most militaries, considerably weaker than the US military.

They didn't really get their asses kicked by the Chechens, they lost a lot of men in both campaigns due to the urban nature of the conflict, but eventually ended up devastating the chechen seperation forces to captilulation in the second war.
 
How strong is Russia from a conventional military point of view? They got their asses kicked a few times by the Chechens and had troubles with the Georgian ground military as well before they fully utilised their superiority in the air to bomb Georgia.

Conventionally probably the world's second or third strongest. But then again you have to look at the massive disparity in defense spending and global reach between the US and the next 9 or ten countries on the list. It's massive.

Or to put it in the words from the New Yorker article posted earlier this page ....

“We have no chance,” one Russian defense expert told a radio interviewer last week, when asked about the prospects of an actual clash between Russian and U.S. forces in Syria. “Our detachment would be destroyed in two days in a single air offensive.”
 
Or to put it in the words from the New Yorker article posted earlier this page ....
Definitely right, but when both sides are loaded with nukes.... there just can't be a conventional conflict between the two. Cold War type proxy wars at best, you'd think.
 
Conventionally probably the world's second or third strongest. But then again you have to look at the massive disparity in defense spending and global reach between the US and the next 9 or ten countries on the list. It's massive.

Or to put it in the words from the New Yorker article posted earlier this page ....
Yeah the US has a far superior military prowess than Russia for sure. Not only just in sheer size, organisation, money and technology but also the concentration of knowledge in the US is a huge help to their military. You have so many large firms there who are top of their fields in technology and military equipment. Russia is simply inferior in pretty much everything IMO.
 
No. And it hasn't been since Churchills Operation Unthinkable in 1945.
We haven't had a war outside of secondary or tertiary territory since the end of WW2.
THere are several reasons for that, some underlying, some more at the surface.

First of all, lets look at war as an concept and in history.
In theory, all wars between countries can divided into two categories: Some broke out because one side thought they had something to gain, other because one side thought they had nothing to lose (anymore). Ignore religion, even those belong to one of either category.
As you correctly said, the world is so connected these days, that category two is pretty much out of the equasion. At least for developed countries.
So, category one then. What's there to gain in a war? Historically territory, resources and manpower. The last one is pretty much obsolote these days, territory as such even more so. Resources? Well, that's something else. We have seen wars for resources in secondary or tertiary territory (outside the developed countries/in africa), some even with some kind of involvment of our superpowers. So, why has there been no outright war in primary territory since WW2?
The answer is simple. The answer is MAD - Mutual Assured Destruction. For the developed countries, the assurance that an outright war always implies the possibility of complete destruction (even if winning the conventional war) has always outweighed any possible gains. It's a risk not worth taking and the reason the cold war is called the "cold" war.
We have seen, of course, deputy wars. Vietnam in the 70's, Syria today. Belligerents thought (or are thinking) there is something to gain over their opponents there. In Vietnam, it was at first the US trying to secure influence in south east asia, after the soviets gained influence. The soviets then intervened because they thought they could gain supremacy in the region, the US stayed because they wanted to counter that. After all, it was a pointless war. The USSR never gained what was sought, the US could've just ignored Vietnam because it was never as influental as some made it out to be. But well.

So, so much for the theory.
But today, why isn't it an option, even something like Vietnam?
Because Russia is still and will remain weak. MAD still functions because they kept their nuclear weapons, but both in hard and soft powers, Russia is no match for a United Europe even. A strong translatlantic partnership is Putins nightmare (that's why they want Trump...). So, for now, Russia doesn't have the power to actually challenge anyone, which also means there is no need for the US to counter anything. Crimea was significant because it was the first "war" for territory in Europe since 1945, but it also was a marvelous blck flag operation for a region nobody really cared about. But Putin knows he can't pull that trick again. So he's down to things like Syria and the concept of divide et impera (Trump! And of course, his financing of various right wing parties in Europe) to relatively upping his soft and hard powers by undermining those of others. That's his game, not actual war.

What we could do? Send troops there? You keep saying the Russians are weak and you forget or maybe you don't know but weakness is the problem here they would never lose a war even if the entire world decided to invade them, then the economic sanctions will backfire us because more we attack them more united they will be . We are going back to the Cold War era and if they decide to invade another country on their borders we will watch, complain and everything will stay the same except we will live in a dangerous world. If the Russians decide to give intercontinental nuclear rockets to Iran then I'm sure we will live in a safer world.
 
Definitely right, but when both sides are loaded with nukes.... there just can't be a conventional conflict between the two. Cold War type proxy wars at best, you'd think.

I thought the the article made a good point that nukes are Russia's only bargaining chip left in the table in the absence of the disparities in economic and conventional military options.
 
That's a part of the psychology of it. Leaking it to the media so they can wind the Russians up a bit before actually doing something.
I'm not sure if we can do it, all the best hackers are in Europe and I still can't believe our government servers are hacked constantly and nothing been done.
 
I'm not sure if we can do it, all the best hackers are in Europe and I still can't believe our government servers are hacked constantly and nothing been done.

There's a difference between cyber security and offensive hacking.
 
Our government servers should be impossible to break in, I'm sure we spend billions with our tech guys who got the jobs not because what they know but because who they know.

Par for the course of living in a free society. What the events of this year are showing is that the government needs to take these issues more seriously in the future.
 
all the excitment about these Russian cyber attacks. We do the same. The focus should be on what was leaked.

Mind, if this is just a primer for a confrontation with Russia/their proxies, which is what I suspect, it makes perfect sense.

There is money to be made in wars. That is what this is all about.
 
Yeah sources would be good thanks. Not doubting you, just want to read more up on it.
Apologies for the late reply, don't have much time to post here lately.
The UN has accused armed groups in Syria of blocking the delivery of aid to the besieged city of Aleppo for “political gain”
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Video from Aleppo showed a large demonstration against the UN had gathered at Castello Road, the key supply route that the aid convoy would have to travel down.

At least some of the demonstrators were waving the black flags of Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (JFS), an al-Qaeda linked jihadist group formerly known as the al-Nusra Front.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-groups-blocking-aid-to-aleppo-for-political/

According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a pro-opposition watchdog with a network of activists in Syria, 218 civilians, including 46 children, were killed in Aleppo in the month of August alone as a result of government airstrikes on opposition-controlled neighborhoods.

Although loyalist forces control the skies, rebels have lobbed hundreds of mortar shells into western Aleppo. Many of the explosives are crude gas canisters repurposed for the indiscriminate shelling that killed 178 civilians in government-held areas in August. The death toll among children there was even higher; the observatory put it at 52.

Rami Abdul Rahman, head of the observatory, explained that despite the disparity in the destructive power of the rebels’ arsenal compared to the government, government-controlled Aleppo had a “much higher population density.” There are roughly 1.4 million people living in government-held areas, Abdul Rahman said.

“In the western neighborhoods you have five or six times the people in the east, and so the number of the casualties is higher,” said Abdul Rahman.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-syria-aleppo-media-war-20160830-snap-htmlstory.html

Euphoric from the victory, Jaish al-Fatah, a Syrian rebel umbrella group, announced that it would quickly conquer the entire city, but such a goal appears ambitious. Since July 2012, all rebel attempts to hold the western part of the city, where the population does not favor them, have failed.
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In Aleppo, the major divide between rebels and pro-government factions is not based on sectarian opposition -- except for the pro-government Christian minority -- but mainly on social class divisions and the historic urban-rural cleavage. Therefore, the chances for an anti-Assad uprising in western Aleppo are nonexistent. If the rebels want to conquer the government-held portion of Aleppo, it will be with a hard fight.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/is-aleppo-turnaround-sustainable-for-rebels

And there are many more. And by the way, these article are still not telling the whole truth (imo at least), because they're still not neutral, but when even they admit these things, you know these facts are beyond any debate.
 
Now he's trundling his warships through the English Channnel on their way to Syria. With a bit of "bombing practice" thrown in for good measure.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raids-near-Scotland-ahead-Syrian-mission.html

This sums up for me what his game is. Fed up with sanctions, criticism and a total lack of respect from the main world powers he's flexing those muscles of his in an effort to cause the world some real concern about his future plans. It's a threat....basically treat him with the respect he deserves or else... He'll carry on provoking too, in the vain hope that someone overreacts and he can respond accordingly. Maybe it's time we listened to what he is telling us. The world has enough problems without us making any more.

“For Yugoslavia! For Libya! For Syria! For everything you have done these past twenty years!” He was nearly hysterical, but his answer was truthful: Putin’s foreign policy at this moment is, in large part, about avenging the wrongs inflicted on Russia over the past decades, the insults and grievances borne by a generation. It may be a tall order to achieve by January 20th of next year. But Putin may certainly try.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...moscow-has-gone-war-crazy?mbid=social_twitter