Arsenal Vs Manchester United

I´m guessing it´ll be something like this...

------------------VDS
Brown* - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra
----------Carrick - Fletcher
Rooney --- Anderson --- Ronaldo
------------Berbatov

* Neville if Brown isn´t fit.

I think we can do it, I disagree that they´re "there for the taking" because they´ll be fired up, but an early goal would be very good as it might make them crack.

Don´t know who scores and as long as we win I don´t really care but a Berbagoal would be very nice.
 
VDS

Brown
Rio
Vidic
Evra

Carrick
Fletcher
Giggs

Ronaldo
Rooney
Berbatov
 
They do look there for the taking but i won't be suprised if they beat us one bit. Would like a win away from home at one of the other top 4 teams but if we don't at least we can say we have them 3 out of the way at the start of the season.

Expecting Arsenal to run themselves into the ground and do everything to win. Hardest prediction of the season. Anything could happen. Come on United, beat the bastards.
 
Coca Cola said:
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Brown* - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra
----------Carrick - Fletcher
Rooney --- Anderson --- Ronaldo
------------Berbatov
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I think this will most probably be our line-up (except as you said Neville in for Brown). Would give us options from the bench as well, especially Tevez and Nani.
 
RooneyDevil8 said:
They do look there for the taking but i won't be suprised if they beat us one bit. Would like a win away from home at one of the other top 4 teams but if we don't at least we can say we have them 3 out of the way at the start of the season.

Expecting Arsenal to run themselves into the ground and do everything to win. Hardest prediction of the season. Anything could happen. Come on United, beat the bastards.
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I'll fancy our chances a lot more if/when its confirmed that Adebayor is missing.
 
Bilbo said:
Excellent. Seems like as good a time to be playing Arsenal as is imaginable.

Said the same about Liverpool though.
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i reckon this arsenal side is even more injury stricken though, and is a bit more shakey defensively even with a full compliment. usually you would fancy our chances more at anfield perhaps but im guessing most teams would rather go the emirates atm...just
 
feck i hate early sturday K.O...anyway i think we will go with 3 in midfield:
VDS
Neville-Rio-Vidic-Evra

-------Carrick-------
Fletch--------Anderson

-Ronaldo-----Rooney
------Berbatov-----
 
Utd heap said:
We never had one.

Sky invented it.

Super Sunday.
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Come on George, the matches that we used to have with them, when if was just us an the them for the title were fantastic. For a long time they were our only genuine threat to the League, so we did have a rivalry with them, and some fantastic games.

Since Chelsea arrived on the scene with their millions, our rivaly with Arsenal hasn't been the same, as they have become less and less of a threat.
 
Speaking to Arsenal TV Online, Wenger said: "Mikael has a broken nose with an open wound on the side.

"Basically he should be capable of playing. But in the next 48 hours I will have to decide what we do. You cannot rule him out and I feel he can play. But I have to decide whether I go for the gamble or not."

Regarding injured duo Theo Walcott and captain William Gallas, he added: "We will not know about Walcott and Gallas before tomorrow afternoon. It is 50:50 for both.

"But Manuel Almunia was back in training today so he will be available.

"As for Sagna, there was a gamble on him that I did not want to take [last night]," he continued. "We could not take it today in training either. He still needed to be out of impact work.

"I think he should be OK for Saturday but there is still a slight concern."



so they'll have everyone except adebayor and van persie
 
I hope Gallas plays. Score an own goal and gave away a penalty last season.
 
Utd heap said:
We never had one.

Sky invented it.

Super Sunday.
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Don't be silly.

There's never been a rivalry between the supporters, sure, but you can't deny that, in football terms, the battles between United and Arsenal from the 90s to the early 00s were titanic. Players like Keane and Vieira have since come out and said they were the games they relished.

Sky hyped it up, but on many occasions it was justified.
 
How will Arsenal field a strong team?

Their goalie is shit
Sagna might be out, Gallas is out, if not, he's not any good, Toure is good, Clichy is good

They'll have Bendtner and Vela, or Diaby up front, which won't do any good. Midfield they have Nasri, Fabregas, and that's about it for quality.
 
Sanada said:
How will Arsenal field a strong team?

Their goalie is shit
Sagna might be out, Gallas is out, if not, he's not any good, Toure is good, Clichy is good

They'll have Bendtner and Vela, or Diaby up front, which won't do any good. Midfield they have Nasri, Fabregas, and that's about it for quality.
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From what Wenger is saying now, they have a full squad apart from Adebayor and van Persie. They will give Utd a game, no worries.
 
Missing the two best and having the rest coming off injury will still make it easier. I think we've easily got a team capable of twatting them, this is ours to lose.
 
Sanada said:
Missing the two best and having the rest coming off injury will still make it easier. I think we've easily got a team capable of twatting them, this is ours to lose.
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Nonsensical attitude. Any game in the league is tough, especially away from home. The fact that it's against the fourth best team in the country (who hardly ever lose at Emirates) means that 3 points are no way in the bag.
 
Celtic were missing 3 attackers and look what happened there.
 
I'm not saying the points are guaranteed, but given recent events i'm bullish on the matter. We let ourselves down at Celtic, Rafael cost us a goal being out of position, Celtic parked the bus, and we played a side not our strongest. A stronger side would've done Celtic in, and Arsenal won't park the bus against us either.
 
Sanada said:
I'm not saying the points are guaranteed, but given recent events i'm bullish on the matter. We let ourselves down at Celtic, Rafael cost us a goal being out of position, Celtic parked the bus, and we played a side not our strongest. A stronger side would've done Celtic in, and Arsenal won't park the bus against us either.
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Well that's more like it. I agree Rafael was caught out of position. And I agree we bossed the game beyond the first 20 minutes and would have won if we'd started with the team that finished the match.
 
Too bad we don't have Harg to knock in a last minute free kick...we had a few games won with last minute free kicks last season actually, epic season.
 
------------------ Van der Sar --------------
Brown ---- Ferdinand ------ Vidic ------ Evra
--------- Carrick ----------- Anderson -------
Park Ji-Sung ------------------------- Ronaldo
-------------------------- Rooney -----------
----------------- Berbatov -------------------

Subs: Kuszczak, Neville/Rafael, O'Shea, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani & Tévez

Clichy is dangerous, so I'd go for the defensive assurance and pace of Brown and Park on the right at first. Neville doesn't have the pace to keep up with him and I feel is more likely to risk stupid tackles and get himself sent off. While Clichy is going to have the pace over Brown and Park, I think they'll be able to just about keep him in check.

Ronaldo should start on the left, as the right back position is one of Arsenal's weaker areas, so I can see him getting more joy down that side, especially with Evra also bombing forward. This could leave us open a bit, but I'd rather be more open on our left side of defence as their right side isn't as dangerous (if Walcott is unable to play). But if Wenger has learned anything, he'll know not to pit Walcott against Evra. Last time he did that (trying to win the game at 1-1) Walcott left space for Evra, who got forward to set up Cristiano Ronaldo and give us a 1-2 lead.

Carrick vs Fletcher is the toughest decision really, as Fletchers work rate is brilliant, and he's better at the defensive (and at the moment offensive) parts of the game. But Carrick with Anderson will pick out key passes much more often. I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie goes for three men in the middle though, Fletcher, Carrick, and Anderson to win that battle.

The rest of the team picks itself at the moment IMO.

If we're winning by two goals after an hour, I'd gladly strengthen things up, probably by taking off Rooney or Berbatov for Fletcher, Giggs, or O'Shea and make a three man midfield.

If we're not winning, or losing after roughly an hour, I'd probably take off Park for Nani. But leave any other hasty decisions such as throwing Tévez on to try and score until a bit later on.
 
Brown is injured Havak
 
Yeh I mean if fit, which is why Neville and Rafael are both mentioned on the bench.

I thought Brown had a chance to be fit, or is there no chance at all? :(
 
Havak said:
Clichy is dangerous, so I'd go for the defensive assurance and pace of Brown and Park on the right at first. Neville doesn't have the pace to keep up with him and I feel is more likely to risk stupid tackles and get himself sent off. While Clichy is going to have the pace over Brown and Park, I think they'll be able to just about keep him in check.
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Clichy's good but shaping our right flank to cope with his attacking threat is excessive. We can just as effectively stop Clichy from getting forward by sticking Ronaldo on the right, so he has to pick his moments to go forward carefully.


Havak said:
Carrick vs Fletcher is the toughest decision really, as Fletchers work rate is brilliant, and he's better at the defensive (and at the moment offensive) parts of the game. But Carrick with Anderson will pick out key passes much more often. I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie goes for three men in the middle though, Fletcher, Carrick, and Anderson to win that battle.
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I don't think Carrick and Fletcher are in direct competition, they're different players. It's more likely between Fletcher and Anderson as to who partners Carrick, but I reckon they'll both start. Although Fergie does like using Park for big games, and the fact that he hasn't played much lately makes me thing he might be being saved for this one. Realistically I think Park or Anderson is the only intriguing decision Fergie has to make for Saturday, although Anderson has done very well when he's played against Arsenal.
 
Havak said:
------------------ Van der Sar --------------
Brown ---- Ferdinand ------ Vidic ------ Evra
--------- Carrick ----------- Anderson -------
Park Ji-Sung ------------------------- Ronaldo
-------------------------- Rooney -----------
----------------- Berbatov -------------------

Subs: Kuszczak, Neville/Rafael, O'Shea, Fletcher, Giggs, Nani & Tévez

Clichy is dangerous, so I'd go for the defensive assurance and pace of Brown and Park on the right at first. Neville doesn't have the pace to keep up with him and I feel is more likely to risk stupid tackles and get himself sent off. While Clichy is going to have the pace over Brown and Park, I think they'll be able to just about keep him in check.

Ronaldo should start on the left, as the right back position is one of Arsenal's weaker areas, so I can see him getting more joy down that side, especially with Evra also bombing forward. This could leave us open a bit, but I'd rather be more open on our left side of defence as their right side isn't as dangerous (if Walcott is unable to play). But if Wenger has learned anything, he'll know not to pit Walcott against Evra. Last time he did that (trying to win the game at 1-1) Walcott left space for Evra, who got forward to set up Cristiano Ronaldo and give us a 1-2 lead.

Carrick vs Fletcher is the toughest decision really, as Fletchers work rate is brilliant, and he's better at the defensive (and at the moment offensive) parts of the game. But Carrick with Anderson will pick out key passes much more often. I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie goes for three men in the middle though, Fletcher, Carrick, and Anderson to win that battle.

The rest of the team picks itself at the moment IMO.

If we're winning by two goals after an hour, I'd gladly strengthen things up, probably by taking off Rooney or Berbatov for Fletcher, Giggs, or O'Shea and make a three man midfield.

If we're not winning, or losing after roughly an hour, I'd probably take off Park for Nani. But leave any other hasty decisions such as throwing Tévez on to try and score until a bit later on.
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Don't waste your time on the Match Day forum, not many read your analysis you know. Not even SAF :p
 
Floyd said:
Eh, the game is not at Highbury.
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Its still a very narrow pitch though at the Emirates isn't it?

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Done a bit of research:

1. Manchester City, City of Manchester Stadium, 116 x 77 yards, 8932
2. Manchester United, Old Trafford, 116 x 76 yards, 8816
3. Blackburn Rovers, Ewood Park, 115 x 76 yards, 8740
4. Everton, Goodison Park, 112 x 78 yards, 8736
5. Hull City, KC Stadium, 115 x 75 yards, 8625
6. Aston Villa, Villa Park, 114 x 75 yards, 8550
7. Middlesbrough, Riverside, 114 x 75 yards, 8550
8. West Brom, Hawthorns, 115 x 74 yards, 8510
9. Arsenal, Emirates Stadium, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
10. Sunderland, Stadium of Light, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
11. Wigan Athletic, JJB Stadium, 114 x 74 yards, 8436
12. Portsmouth, Fratton Park, 115 x 73 yards, 8395
13. Stoke City, Britannia Stadium ,116 x 72 yards, 8352
14. Chelsea, Stamford Bridge, 110 x 75 yards, 8250
15. Fulham, Craven Cottage, 110 x 75 yards, 8250
16. Liverpool, Anfield, 110 x 75 yards, 8250
17. Newcastle United, St. James’s Park, 110 x 73 yards, 8030
18. Tottenham Hotspur, White Hart Lane, 110 x 73 yards, 8030
19. Bolton Wanderers, Reebok Stadium, 110 x 72 yards, 7920
20. West Ham United, Boleyn Ground, 110 x 70 yards, 7700

(yes i'm bored)
 
Phew, gotta laugh.......

How to beat Manchester United

By Eros

What I do know is that you don’t beat them by defending as stupidly as we did against Spurs, by playing as meekly as we did against Stoke and by missing those chances we created against Fenerbacse.

But beat United and everybody starts believing again. The team believe they can compete, the journalists are kept quiet and the fans are reassured that Wenger has not gone potty.

Lose the game and the murmurs will turn into strong discontentment with severe implications for the policy chosen by Arsene Wenger of relying only on youth.

The uncertainty for the future of this team will multiply and the commitment of certain important players for Arsenal will be jeopardised…

Liverpool beat United by playing a relentless pressing game, closing down every corridor and stopping their free flowing passing. But we cannot do that as effectively as we don’t have the players to do it.

Most, if not all, of our available midfielders are more creative by nature rather than defensively or negatively minded. It’s not in their DNA if you like.

Also United will have Ronaldo, Carrick and possibly Hargreaves back making them a different, more passing team, to the one that lost to Liverpool.

So we will greatly increase our chances of winning if we manage to keep the ball away from them. As the old saying goes “they can’t hurt us if they don’t have the ball”.

Go with 5 in the middle

For this reason – and the number of injuries - I think we should go with 5 in the middle.

My five would be Nasri, Cesc, Diaby, Song and Theo. Wenger might choose Denilson and leave either Diaby or Song on the bench although I would want to see some steel there.

I think Ferguson might go the same way, pushing Rooney to the left wing and Ronaldo to the right but free to roam and support Berbatov through the middle.

If that is the case then we will have a couple of areas that we could exploit and get at their defence.

Arsenal’s full backs can provide the winning thrust

As always with Arsenal, the full backs are our most important players. They provide the width and most importantly set the tempo for the rest of the team.

Firstly Sagna and Theo must push Rooney back on to his full back. Make him worry more about defending than attacking. Frustrate him and hope he drifts out of the game.

While Rooney will be willing to run back all day, Ronaldo may not. He tends to stay high up the pitch. Clichy MUST ignore what Ronaldo is doing and play his natural attacking game.

One of Kolo, Silvestre (Djourou if he plays) or Song will aim to get to Ronaldo in time and stop the counter attack.

Clichy and his mate Nasri can win the game for us

Whoever is playing at right back for United is going to be partially exposed because of Ronaldo not tracking back.

If it’s Brown then Clichy will beat him on the outside, if it’s Da Silva, Nasri has the ability to twist him inside out and if it’s Neville, well, I expect to have a number of free kicks in and around that area. Maybe Silvestre can punish his old team from a set piece!

If one of their 3 in midfield has to move over to cover for Ronaldo’s absence on the right side then this will release Cesc in the middle, hopefully allowing him to dictate play and dominate the midfield.

Bendtner, who I expect to play up front, will aim to drag one of the centre backs out of position with his movement giving our midfield the chance to break forward and try and finish off moves.


In order to analyse the game I assumed that Fergie will play a variation of a 4 5 1 formation but he could employ a more attacking 4 4 2.

But whatever formation he employs, the same thing will apply; we need to attack Brown (I consider him the weak link in their defence) and force their wingers backwards.

Whatever happens lets hope that we’ll defend better than we have done recently especially at set pieces and that we are in less charitable mood than Wednesday week….

All I can say is that we are well overdue a performance full of commitment and quality from the boys.

I think we will get it on Saturday."

 
Eros said:
Lose the game and the murmurs will turn into strong discontentment with severe implications for the policy chosen by Arsene Wenger of relying only on youth.
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Well, if Arsenal lose the game, Eros could go into the running for next manager of Arsenal.
 
IBleedRed said:
You would think something like that would be regulated to the inch
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Nope, in theory a game can legally played on a square pitch as the width of the pitch as to be between 45-90 metres and the length 90-120.
 
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