Yeah, cause RVP deserves all the stick he's getting. You know, in comparison to the likes of Terry, Cole, Suarez.
He left for ambition. You ever left a job to move on in your career?
Arsenals chances of a top 4 finish this season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Yeah, cause RVP deserves all the stick he's getting. You know, in comparison to the likes of Terry, Cole, Suarez.
He left for ambition. You ever left a job to move on in your career?
Due to his statement?
Because that's not what I said you tools.Pretty much my reply to that point. Which Pierstorey has ignored too
Indeed. I think their signings this year have been very good. Podolski should eventually come good, his performances at international level and for Cologne couldn't be coincidence, and Cazorla is excellent. Giroud should be fine too but he's obviously not certain to succeed at this level.
I think the point is they are great signings if you keep the rest of your good players. When you let them go though they become alright signings.
Yeh, when I left my last job I warned them six months in advance and mentored my replacement until I left.
Yes.
And how do you know RVP hadn't warned Arsenal a long time ago?
You don't. You are trying to second guess everything to paint him in a bad light.
So who are they cheap knock offs of then?
After all, I was saying your signings are cheap knock offs of your star players you've recently sold. Who are Valencia and Young cheap knock offs of then?
I hope they didn't sell you for a few million bob to get your replacement though.
You did a 6 month notice? Jesus most people just do the month like Van Persie.
I had to do 3 months in my last job and that was painfully long.
Yes. Exactly.
When they are bought as direct replacements though, they are cheap knock-offs.
Well then you are an idiot.
That being said, how do you know our Robin didn't do the same?
Yeah, I thought 3 months notice was bad. Never heard of someone working 6 months notice before. Would usually take gardening leave in that scenario.
Anyway, Van Persie's statement was a bit crass but at least it made his position absolutely clear early in the transfer window. Which should have helped his club prepare for life without him.
Anyway, Van Persie's statement was a bit crass but at least it made his position absolutely clear early in the transfer window. Which should have helped his club prepare for life without him.
I don't really seek to paint him in a bad light, I don't really care enough about the whole situation to do that. I was far more gutted over Nasri who I thought showed a lot less class about things.
The statement seemed to demonstrate that RVP had just come to the decision this summer. Obviously we could have predicted that this would happen, but the statement confirmed it. Thomas Vermaelen, when told about RVP's departure, looked quite shocked about it, so he'd obviously been quite quiet about it.
Depends how much you like the job really. I didn't want to go, particularly, but the lure of considerably more money got me. Much like most footballers, really.
How is your job like most footballers?
I don't rate Arse, Spurs or Liverpool's squads much at all.
Chelsea have added two good signings no doubt but they are still miles off top 2 IMO.
Expect Arse to slightly edge it.
Chelsea have added two good signings no doubt but they are still miles off top 2 IMO.
Expect Arse to slightly edge it.
Walker is twice the RB that Rafael is or will ever be.
Rafael isn't even in the top 4 of best RBs in the Prem ... let alone "one of the best young right-backs in the world"
Glaston being an idiot shocker.
Without RVP they are as impotent as me after a bottle of Prosecco.
fantastic start to the season.. blah blah blah.
12 points from 8 games. 10 points behind the leaders.
12 points from 8 games. 10 points behind the leaders.
They are the media darlings.
Over the years, a lot of Arsenal fans have claimed it's not true that there's a level of superiority and arrogance in the team - hopefully that will have put that myth to bed now.
That is a disgusting display - nothing more to it than that. Norwich were dire too, but they won a game which no-one deserved anything from. They had one shot of note, and our goalkeeper decided to punch it out to the middle of the goal and then not even get up to try and save the rebound.
We turned up today and thought we were going to win 5-0. Simple as that. I have never seen anything quite so horrendously arrogant. You can list the unprofessional elements to this performance.
- Literally no movement up front in any remote way. No-one made any runs or anything. Static.
- Chamberlain seemingly doing a muscle ten seconds after coming on. Had he warmed up properly?
- Wilshere's inclusion on the bench when we clearly had no intention of using him unless we were cruising. It was like we thought it'd be so easy we could use this game as a chance to give him some minutes.
Questions have to be asked of Wenger too - Mannone is not good enough, and will never be, yet we decided to make him our back up to a 21 year old injury-prone first choice. Let's try and get 4th and then do something in the domestic cups - that now has to be the aim.
That is a disgusting display - nothing more to it than that. Norwich were dire too, but they won a game which no-one deserved anything from. They had one shot of note, and our goalkeeper decided to punch it out to the middle of the goal and then not even get up to try and save the rebound.
We turned up today and thought we were going to win 5-0. Simple as that. I have never seen anything quite so horrendously arrogant. You can list the unprofessional elements to this performance.
- Literally no movement up front in any remote way. No-one made any runs or anything. Static.
- Chamberlain seemingly doing a muscle ten seconds after coming on. Had he warmed up properly?
- Wilshere's inclusion on the bench when we clearly had no intention of using him unless we were cruising. It was like we thought it'd be so easy we could use this game as a chance to give him some minutes.
Questions have to be asked of Wenger too - Mannone is not good enough, and will never be, yet we decided to make him our back up to a 21 year old injury-prone first choice. Let's try and get 4th and then do something in the domestic cups - that now has to be the aim.
If United had had their start we'd be getting all that 'End of the Empire' stuff big time in the media.
Every team has bad games in fairness. Arsenal were never going to compete for the league and should have enough to finish 4th regardless.
Cazorla was due a bad game as well. Unfortunately it happened for Arsenal at a time when no one else could deliver.
Cazorla was due a bad game as well. Unfortunately it happened for Arsenal at a time when no one else could deliver.
Where is Fabianski ?
Do folk still regard Arsenal as a team capable of winning the league? They keep selling their best players, aren't prepared to splash the cash like City and Chelsea, not funded by a rich owner and have standed still while the rest have caught up with them.
Their football is the most fluent in the league but it's a pale imitation on the stuff they played four, five, six seasons ago.
Their football is the most fluent in the league but it's a pale imitation on the stuff they played four, five, six seasons ago.
Better not tell storey any of that. He probably still thinks you'll finish above us.
But yeah thats the worse I've seen Arsenal in a while, well since the 1st half against Olympiakos.
That wasn't a bad game - sometimes you have days where things don't come off, sure. We didn't even create the slightest thing. It smacked of unprofessionalism.
Cazorla did a lot of things well today, and was tidy. The back four were fine too. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out where our problems are.
Injured. Mannone is 3rd choice keeper, our current 3rd choice is Sam Johnstone so I wouldn't go too far in critcising him.
I get your frustration but I don't get that part of your part.When will Wilshere be reintroduced to football if your weird logic is applied ?
It made sense for him to be on the bench and it said nothing about how Wenger perceived the Norwich match to be easy
I get your frustration but I don't get that part of your part.When will Wilshere be reintroduced to football if your weird logic is applied ?
It made sense for him to be on the bench and it said nothing about how Wenger perceived the Norwich match to be easy
I don't get having someone on the bench if you won't use them when you're in trouble. Isn't this the point of a sub? I mean, it's hardly the worst element about today, but it is frustrating having a great passer on the bench who was clearly just there to soak up the atmosphere.
I'll be honest and say I didn't watch the game and only going by reports. But the games I have seen Arsenal play, you have looked good. With Cazorla and Podolski settling in quickly. A solid back 4 is key and you have that as you say. Once Chesney and Wilshere are back in the side you will look a lot lot better.
they had a bad game is all.
put money on them being in the top 4.
I have been surprised by how well they have started this season.
put money on them being in the top 4.
I have been surprised by how well they have started this season.
I find it astonishing how anyone who sees that game could judge that it was just a 'bad game.' I've seen us have bad games. They're much better than that.
Who are the other options for 4th though? Spurs and Everton? I think arsenal can match either of them.
Arsenal looked too casual and I can understand what Alastair is trying to say in terms of complacency in their performance today.
I can't help but see this as, "wise after the event" - of course a big team (and Arsenal are surely still that) can have a place on the bench for a kid coming through or a player coming back from injury. Even if all we see in the change is a team giving a player, playing time.
Otherwise nothing changes, nothing grows, except by throwing a truckload of cash at it.
I have no problem with people disagreeing with the Wilshere thing - it's something I'm just pedantic over. It's just a luxury.
Shockingly poor performance but not quite as bad as being unable to get it up after a bottle of wine.
You're making it sound really simple this manager job.Wilshere has been out for a long time and Wenger is just waiting for the right moment to unleash him, it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.Some bench players you need them to play if your team is in trouble and some you just have to wait for the right circumstance to give them playing time, specially when they're young and have had serious injury problems.
You just don't throw Wilshere out there and put him under immediate pressure, you ease him back into the game.Soaking up the atmosphere is a good beginning, it will get Wilshere to another level from a psychological point of view.