So as per Andy Mitten Ed Woodward is playing Transfer Poker, and Emmet Kennedy the Poker commentator seems to be keeping us updated.
Connecting the Two makes sense, i guess.
Connecting the Two makes sense, i guess.
Arturo Vidal
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Yes that was just annoying.
Thanks for the summaries guys. Good news is we will be getting rid of a lot of dead wood, which should mean we will sign some new players too.
A point worth emphasising in Mitten's video is that United don't want to be used by agents to stir up a bidding war. They've had enough of agents using United's name to drum up interest.
Dont want to over pay? Well, unfortunately, we put ourselves in that position by:
1. Not investing for in specific areas of the squad over a prolonged period of time.
2. Employing Moyes and the subsequent inability to quality for the CL.
We have no choice but to overpay to guarantee a top 4 finish. I get we dont want to be held to ransom but if we dick about on this i can see us losing out to a rival.
1. Not investing for in specific areas of the squad over a prolonged period of time.
2. Employing Moyes and the subsequent inability to quality for the CL.
We have no choice but to overpay to guarantee a top 4 finish. I get we dont want to be held to ransom but if we dick about on this i can see us losing out to a rival.
That is one of my concerns too, so many times we have been used because a player we are supposedly interested in is looking for an improved contract at his current club. I'm not sure of Vidal's contract situation atm, if he is looking for a pay rise this is one way of going about it. Even Ronaldo did it last summer.
The thing is, though, none of the fees quoted are in any way overpaying for Vidal. Even the upper end of rumours are acceptable (e.g. 45-50m).
I wouldn't even call 40m pound overpaying, tbh, never mind 34.
I agree - its the market we are operating in now. He's a world class player.
Exactly why United are briefing that they won't pay 34m for Vidal. Basically telling his party that if he's leading United up the garden path, they can go feck themselves. If he really wants to move to United, he'll push for a move.
He's arguably the best central midfielder of his type in the world, indeed. If we picked him up for £32m I'd be thinking bargain.
Bid £45M and get it done, he's worth it to us.
Its ridiculous to say that we don't wanna overpay after we pretty much overpaid for the players we already got.
Just pay the bloody money FFS; I don't give a shit about overpaying when the club is still working to repair Fergie and Moyes' blunders regarding midfielders. Vidal's the best central midfielder of his kind, so the high fee is obliged.
I think that too. I think United will easily pay that amount but after being led a merry go around by Fabregas last season and to some extent Muller this season, we're making 100% sure that the player wants to come to us and then we'll bid. Makes sense.
Agree.
34m is a bargain when Fellaini went for 27m, or even the young Herrera for 29m. Even at 40m he would be good value.
That is what this is about for me, basically putting the ball in his court. It's also a telling sign for me that Evra hasn't had his move completed yet considering it was supposed to be a 'done' deal last week. It appears to me that United are using Evra to their advantage, like we should do.
Mitten's video didn't say anything about United not wanting to overpay. This isn't a case about United being stingy. It's about United not wanting to be used by agents for a new contract, for a bidding war or whatever. United can and will pay what is needed once they establish that the player wants to come. What they won't do is enter a bidding war stirred up by Vidal's agent.
As @KM points out - it could be more us wanting to be certain the player wants Utd. We dont want the run around like Fabregas last year.
I can understand us wanting to sign players who are motivated to play for the club rather than the money, but that can go a bit too far. Sometimes you just have to splash out on a world class player to get us back to where we need to be. He'd be worth what we pay for him if he helps us get back into Europe and win trophies, so I don't really see the problem.
I can only think Juve want a lot more than the reported £34m cos there's simply no way we would consider that figure to be over paying. Van Gaal rates Vidal and everyone knows he's one of the best CMs going at the moment, you can't pay £27m for Fellaini and then say Vidal isn't worth £7m more....Jesus, what the hells going on? Hope it's just negotiation tactics but it's pretty worrying we wouldn't snap him up for that amount considering the money coming in from sponsors.
Yup. If Vidal doesn't want us, then we'll move on and look for other targets.
Much better strategy than waiting for Fabregas all season long and then in the end settling for Fellaini.
Woodward's strategy this season has been very different from the last season- so far. Good to see.
It amazes me why anyone gives any credance to something which has essentially come from a newspaper which, like most others is totally unreliable.
The simple fact is that given what has been spent already the club will not be put off by what seems to be a reasonable fee for a very good player, especially since they just paid a fortune for an 18 years old defender.
As ever this smacks of the press knowing nothing but being desperate to reinvent what is essentially the same story day after day - in this case United being interested in Vidal, simply because they have nothing else to write about and are getting nothing from the club. Jornalistic standards have gone down the toilet over the last few years because rather than having to write a decent story a couple of times a week they feel the need to have new things on twitter every five minutes.
The simple fact is that given what has been spent already the club will not be put off by what seems to be a reasonable fee for a very good player, especially since they just paid a fortune for an 18 years old defender.
As ever this smacks of the press knowing nothing but being desperate to reinvent what is essentially the same story day after day - in this case United being interested in Vidal, simply because they have nothing else to write about and are getting nothing from the club. Jornalistic standards have gone down the toilet over the last few years because rather than having to write a decent story a couple of times a week they feel the need to have new things on twitter every five minutes.
You know my thoughts on the guy - but yes, it "seems" like he has learned from last year.
At this stage they will be well aware whether the player wants the move or not. If the club are seriously interested his agent will be more than aware of whats on the table. Sounds to me like United know they can get him and are probably trying to do the best deal they can in terms of a fee.
Exactly. Feck the rest as well!
Honestly, everyone, how do you think all of our rivals do to get their deals sorted much quicker than we do?
Thank the lord that didnt happen!!
Agree. If Ander is around £30 million, Vidal is £40 million at least
woodward only goes on what the manager tells him. So if moyes said chase fabregas, he did. If van gaal tells him to back away from vidal, he does that.
i wouldnt believe what the papers are saying.
The club last season were given the same signals by Fabregas, I think.
Is this round of media briefing the likely result of us knowing that (a) Vidal wants to join (b) We know he's on holiday until the end of July (c) We're watching Juve spend money on players knowing that they'll need to recoup some of it? All of which might lead us to think that we don't need to rush buying him as he won't be in training until August-ish anyway, so why not try to drag it out a bit and nip a few million off the price?
I cannot understand the current mentality of the hierarchy of the club at present. So many top, top players have slipped through our fingers over the last 2 years for exactly what is happening now. I think Mr Woodward is failing to see the way player values are changing, we're not talking about 2000 here, it's 2014 and you have to spend these kind of prices to get the players that will help us compete again.
I will be hugely disappointed if this move gets blocked, especially considering our recent windfall. The boost it would give the club going in to the new season should not be underestimated.
I will be hugely disappointed if this move gets blocked, especially considering our recent windfall. The boost it would give the club going in to the new season should not be underestimated.
I doubt Vidal is available for the fees mentioned here, and if he was, United would be one of many clubs looking to sign him.
In order to make it happen, United have to do the same thing they did with Shaw, only on a much larger scale. Offer the kind of a fee and wages that other clubs won't go near. All that "we want the players who want to play for us" nonsense is just showing off to the fans.
In order to make it happen, United have to do the same thing they did with Shaw, only on a much larger scale. Offer the kind of a fee and wages that other clubs won't go near. All that "we want the players who want to play for us" nonsense is just showing off to the fans.
From listening to Mitten it sounds to me like a club sourced leaked us not paying over the odds for players, perhaps trying to force / test Vidal to see how desperate he is to play for Utd.
Also thought that was interesting when Mitten suggested that LvG was concerned that South American players are motivated by money...
I also read somewhere that Van Gaal is being presented to the media on Thursday, perhaps he will let slip a few details then?
We don't know anything though. How do we know this is what's happening? Besides, even if it is we can't go round paying whatever clubs demand without a little back and forth, word gets out. Agents are cnuts already, if they get wind that we pay whatever not only will clubs take us for a ride, they will too. We can wait a month or so. If all parties want it to happen then it will. Woody knows Juve's incentives to sell and will work on them, it's his job.
This has nothing to do with financial issues.
rough diamond by left foot, he and Chelsea deserved each other
Surely not, not when there is always a danger of being gazumped. I hope they arent thinking along these lines.
I suspect they were, but it was a different situation. He was at a club he'd agitated to move to recently, and wanted a move because he thought he wasnt wanted. When the manager changed he decided to give it another go.
Here is a player who at 27 needs a big move soon if one is coming. He can undoubtedly improve his financial position massively by making the move and is at a club who clearly can't compete financially with what he can get elsewhere. If he's avaialble, other top clubs along with United will already know and given the talk from the player, it doesnt look as if any other clubs are as close as we seem to be.
Clearly Juventus will want to get the best deal they can for the player. I suspect United want to do the same for themselves. Juve may even be putting a replacement in place before anything can happen. What seems obvious is that nobody knows what's going on other than the clubs and the player - hence the constant rehashing and speculation passed off as "inside knowledge" by the press.
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