Our best natural defender, maybe. Evans is better in terms of all round game though and LVG seems like the kind of manager who wants his CBs to have an all round game. This means Smalling will have to improve a lot on the ball.
Arturo Vidal
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Our best natural defender, maybe. Evans is better in terms of all round game though and LVG seems like the kind of manager who wants his CBs to have an all round game. This means Smalling will have to improve a lot on the ball.
In today's market he's worth £40 million easily, but considering our poor midfield and how much we'd benefit from him he's worth £50+ million to us to be honest.
When does Vidal come back from holiday?
No, it's not just 'a big hype', it's a really important quality in a defender. Smalling genuinely hurts the overall game of teams he plays for at the moment because he can't distribute the ball effectively and panic if put under any kind of pressure when in possession. It makes it much harder for the midfield to get any kind of control over the game when he keeps hoofing it aimlessly over their heads.
And it's not always the case that having a more technically comfortable defender next to him will 'make up for it'. At some point he's going to have to distribute the ball himself, he won't always be able to hand it over to his partner.
Anyway sorry I've no idea why we're discussing this in the Vidal thread, I'll stop now.
28 July
Evans has achieved much more than Smalling including being a key member of a title winning side. Being good on the ball has more merits than most people seem to give it credit for, in modern day football teams play out from the back defenders are expected to build attacks the same way forwards defend from the front. If you're CB's are poor on the ball you'll struggle to play progressive football. Sure if you want defenders to sit on the 18 yard line win headers and make clearances then Smalling's your man but there's a reason why Hummels and Thiago Silva are seen as the best in the world and it's their ability to bring the ball forward/defend vs pace and play 1v1 which sets them apart. Evans/Jones are better at most aspects of defending just not the physical ones.
Thanks, let's keep the disussion in here focused on Vidal and not ball playing defenders.
Poll Results: Transfer muppet season is now in full flow, so do you think we'll actually sign Arturo Vidal?
Members who voted for 'Don't want him'
Members who voted for 'Don't want him'
He's not back until the 28th of July as mentioned. Rumours are that we've already agreed personal terms with him anyway so that doesn't really matter. Hopefully until then, we can agree a fee and such before he returns.
I can definitely see this dragging until a few weeks prior to deadline day unfortunately.
I can definitely see this dragging until a few weeks prior to deadline day unfortunately.
Ban the cnuts.
I'm going to be really pissed off if he signs for us now
Do you doubt that he will tho? I dont? I think initially he make sure we get used to winning again, and that might not always be pretty, but confidence is king. He'll make sure we start well (points wise) then the flair will improve as confidence grows
There’s no way we refuse to pay 34m for Vidal, especially considering our recent business (Mata, Herrera, Shaw) and this new deal from Adidas.
I see 2 options:
a) The fee involved is much, much higher
b) It’s done
Probably the former. To be continued I guess.
I see 2 options:
a) The fee involved is much, much higher
b) It’s done
Probably the former. To be continued I guess.
If you're being realistic you can still choose an option which facilitates a 'Yes, i'd like us to sign him' mindset.
You don't want Vidal at Utd? Why?
Oh I'd be happy with that too. I just think we'll be much better than most people expect. Get off to a flyer, get confidence up, then steam roller our way to a 21st title - I dont like having too many gaps in my End Of Season Review DVD collection, some come on VDG, chop chop
Being realistic would be choosing the option "Not a chance its all hot air" not that they dont want him
What's the most Van Gaal has spent on a player, out of interest?
Last one from me, I think the whole he is shite on the ball thing is based on his performanches at RB.
Course id love him here.
Not one part of me thinks he ll come here and actually dont think we could entice him,not the way the other big hitting CL clubs will be able to,not this year we wont anyway.
Its got muppet fiasco written all over it and Thiago nearly killed me last year.
We ll get another couple of players to suit van Gaals vision im sure,Vidal is just a step to far for us i think.
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Pfff, whadda they know? The last guy thinks Vidic wore #5..
THEY may well get their wish , reports we are not chasing him.
Mass muppet suicide.
This is so fecking on. Reminds me of Rooney transfer that way it's panning out.
All we need is an evil/bored mod to edit the title to 'Arturo Vidal - Fee Agreed' for a caf crash and an internet overload...
Well you'd expect people to notice that he's a CB and not a RB hence judge him when he's not playing out of position
You've gone and done it now...
I've been told I can post this here by the Staff:
No need to ask, Cina.
So original GIF's are still welcome? This is good news.
Not that I'll be creating any.
Not that I'll be creating any.
You don't have to be a dick about it though, or do you?
But, they all voted for "don't want him". I understand why you're being pessimistic about the deal, but tbh, I think we did have the Thiago deal until Moyes told Woodward he wanted Fabregas instead. Van Gaal appears to be the one who chose to go after Vidal in the first place (imo, he decided not to go for Kroos) so the situations are probably quite different. There also hasn't been any reported interest as of yet from any other club. I could potentially se Bayern becoming interested, but Vidal and Bayern don't appear to be on good terms, Madrid have bought Kroos, Monaco appear to have lost interest in spending large amounts of money on big players, Chelsea appear to be satisfied with their midfield, Barca don't have the funds for another expensive signing this season and PSG will risk being reprimanded because of Financial Fair Play if they splash out on another massive deal. Honestly the only team I could see competing with us for Vidal is City, but that would only be if they decide to sell Yaya and I'm not sure who would buy him. Without selling Yaya, I think City would struggle to meet FFP.
So there doesn't appear to be a great possibility of any other big clubs going in for him. Bayern could still be a threat, but from what I've heard, Vidal seemed to annoy them when he chose Juventus over them. They also have the best midfield in club football. One could argue with Kroos leaving a space could open up, but they still have all of Schweinsteger, Martinez, Thiago, Gotze, Muller, Alaba and Lahm who can all play in the 3 central midfield positions. If they were to sign another cm, it would probably be as backup.
yep, just sent it to Eboue, he's fecked now.
+1.
Ed is brilliant. Every bob thinks we are in for Vidal whereas no one has a clue of our real targets.
I know what you mean tbf. Wanting people to listen you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore, you have to hit them with a sledge hammer, and then you'll realize you have their strict attention.
He's obviously a top-red and thinks we're already good enough. feck signing world class players.
Not being pedantic, but LVG doesnt spend any money, he coaches the players putin front of him.
LVG will have feck all say on how much money gets spent on players.
I see your logic but i reckon,if i was to bet on him leaving Juve,hed head to the Catalan reshuffle.
Another poster and I discussed this earliar with he Busquets,Iniesta,Mascherano,and whatever else is coming of the Masia conveyor belt,would be thumping midfield.As for them getting 40 million to grab him,come on its barcelona.
Hopefully he stays at Juve,and van Gaal taps him up for next summer,im just a bit to grinchy about somone like Vidal happening this summer.
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