Barcelona - a lot of moaning about them and some praise
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Well yea, if you have the 1st, 3rd and 4th best player in the world in your team your wage bill will most likely be the highest.
Thing is, those players cost nothing in the first place. Nothing wrong with rewarding the very best players from your academy who also happen to be better than everyone else in world football.
doesnt wages go up when a team succeeds? i mean you don't pay the same amount of money to messi if he wins the champions than if he comes second
right?
Marcos you have the power to change the title on this thread? I really think you should
And that too yes, I don't see the problem with their wage bill. Hardly anything separates them and Madrid as far as wage bill goes despite the latter winning feck all over the past 4 years.
and what new title do you suggest?
Barcelona and Real are disgusting football teams? 
Barcelona is the best thing since sliced bread?
Barcelona is the best thing since sliced bread?
Barcelona and Real are disgusting football teams?
Barcelona is the best thing since sliced bread?
what is this love with sliced bread? how was bread eaten before? in one single piece? people choked to death?
It's a lazy tongue saying and in text that should be, but is rarely, represented with a parentheses.
The best thing since (Pre-)Sliced Bread.
HTH
But again, that's not their problem. I am asking you again, what do you expect from them to do? To give that money to the charity? La liga is allowing them that, and they are just enjoying it. I'm sure we(Manchester United) would accept that kind of threatment from FA without any thinking.
What has Charity got to do with anything?
How about spreading the money equally between all the clubs who make up La Liga as a whole? Then it's a fair competition in terms of all clubs starting on a level footing when it comes to money earned from the League. Crazy thought eh?
As for United accepting the same treatment, no we wouldn't for the sake of the Premier League as a competition. Liverpool tried to do exactly that, and United were one of the clubs who strongly opposed the movement.
I posted the full story so I'm not being selective. I just chose the bit where the spokesperson contradicts himself and basically says that refs are against them and therefor backing up Pique's statement of accusing refs of being biased.
Well. I specifically wanted to bring up this case I did bring forth, not go into Real vs Barca. Only player involved in my post was Pique.
Now, imaging the player was David Luiz and the club is Chelsea. How would you go by and respond to my post?
Now, imaging the player was David Luiz and the club is Chelsea. How would you go by and respond to my post?
Only he didn't.
No we wouldn't. Manchester United are in favor of the shared TV deal, as well as the rest of the other teams in the league.
I'm sorry but saying "Our position in the league is not solely down to the refs" is pretty much partly blaming the refs for their league position.
Then he says they're only talking about refs, not criticizing them when he's just said that AND had been defending Pique for saying that the ref is biased. Yea. No contradiction what so ever.
It's the equivalent of telling someone "You're a sorry excuse for a referee. No offence."
I know English isn't your first language, so I'll assume something is being lost in translation.
Of course that isn't helped by your deliberate omission of the bit where he says "the job of a referee is very difficult. They make mistakes because it's a tough job"
There's no contradiction at all. All he is guilty of is implying that refereeing errors are partly responsible for their position in the league. He then goes out of his way to stress that whatever decisions went against them were honest mistakes. Hence, he's not criticising them. Big deal.
I'd say the exact same thing about United this season. We're two points worse off thanks to a penalty that never should have been awarded against Newcastle. Shit happens though. Referees are human. They make mistakes. I'll leave the fruit-loop conspiracy theories to bad losers like Mourinho.
"an opportunistic show for the benefit of the media that provoke discriminatory treatment in a top-level competition"
That's his take on the referees' chief response to Pique after Pique was clearly very much in the wrong and went way overboard with his comment. That combined with what he said about luck in the league for me is an accusation towards the refs. Doesn't matter what he says afterwards. He's uses subtle accusations and then says he doesn't mean anything bad. Typical politician talk.
That's his take on the referees' chief response to Pique after Pique was clearly very much in the wrong and went way overboard with his comment. That combined with what he said about luck in the league for me is an accusation towards the refs. Doesn't matter what he says afterwards. He's uses subtle accusations and then says he doesn't mean anything bad. Typical politician talk.
Amar, Pexbo is right, if the money would be spread evenly it would weaken Barca and Real Madrid but I think it would make the Liag BBVA more competitive and enjoyable to watch. Altough I honestly think the little teams would benefit from the popularity of Real and Barca all over the world, so it's a delicate subject.
I'm amazed how well the other teams are doing among themselves and in Europe. Teams in England get more money than the Spanish team yet they manager to put up a great fight every season in EL and CL. You can never predict the team that finishes 4th or 5th. There's competition for those spots between many many teams every season. Just look at the table. There's the same difference between us and Liverpool as the is between Valencia and Real Zaragoza and Valencia have a 5 point lead in 3rd whilst Zaragoza are 9 points clear of the relegation zone.
It was response to this:
Giving money to charity(in football sense)=giving money to smaller teams
But Barcelona and Real Madrid aren't Spanish Football Association, they are part of it just like other clubs.They are just enjoying what spanish "FA" has brought as a rule. It's shit rule, I agree with that, I agree that is one of the main reasons why la liga is so shit and competetive these days apart from Real Madrid and Barcelona of course. But do you really expect from them to say that they don't want that money and to give it to the other clubs? That would be an atack on their FA.
We refused it because we knew that was never going to happen. If FA propose it tomorrow, I'm sure many our transfer muppets would like it, and glazers would accept it easily. Why not? Why would we care more about other clubs rather than about our own?
I think you didn't understand me. I know it would be better for league, I too believe that TV rights money is La liga's biggest problem.
But, we are arguing about the other thing. Our discussion started from this:
People are accusing Barca and Real Madrid because of that, and I don't think that is Real Madrid's and Barca's problem. It's problem of their FA who brought that rule about distribution of TV rights. If their FA tomorrow says distribution of TV rights will be equal for every club in la liga, Barca and Real would have nothing else but to agree with that, since they are not managing rules of La Liga, their FA is responsible for that.
Ok but the thing is, I actually believe aswell that it's mainly because they(Real & Barca) want it that way that this rule is being enforced and the money is split the way it is. I'm no expert though but there are lots of things we all just don't know and therefore we all need to speculate about this matter. I think the Spanish FA would like to see matters differently just to make the league more competitive and have more ratings on the smaller teams' games. But like I said, there's probably a lot we don't know but one thing is sure, it's about a fair few people filling their pockets.
Okay, that's fair point. They probably have their fingers in that, but their FA must have final word. But, who knows who runs their FA, we can argue about that all day and we'll never find out.
La Liga is similar to the PL, a self governing group with reps from all the teams at decision making sessions. However the power lies with Madrid and Barcelona. The biggest teams, biggest crowds and easily the biggest draws on TV. They are also the only reason why La Liga get any broadcast income from outside Spain.
In theory they could get outvoted. In practice the other clubs are disunited - teams like Valencia, Atletico etc want big money, so they can try to compete against the big two, whose big crowds/and marketing income would continue to make them monsters. The lower clubs just want to survive. They can't agree on a plan to divide the money, they just know they want more of it.
Sevilla tried to lead a rebellion a few months back and got smacked down immediately. See
https://www.redcafe.net/f7/la-liga-strike-2011-version-337734/#post10449498
It's not a good idea to get on the wrong side of the big two. Everything from the transfer market to loan deals, to the TV schedule, to the emergency fund revolves around them. Sevilla went from thinking they had 17 allies (albeit they were bickering amongst themselves) to none in the space of a week.
Agree about the thread title, it should really change...
Fantastic display tonight...
Fantastic display tonight...
Messi was a fantastic display tonight.
Still apt, the football was disgustingly good.
As good as Barca are to watch and their football really is majestic, does anyone else think they're missing a certain excitement from their play? Like I'd never expect a long range screaming volley or pacey wingplay leading up to an extravagant overhead kick. It's almost too efficient.
Yes definately, it can be boring as feck at times, particularly in La Liga when the tempo can be so slow.
The thread title shouldn't be changed either in my opinion, parts of the team are disgusting. They get enough credit for their football anyway.
The thread title shouldn't be changed either in my opinion, parts of the team are disgusting. They get enough credit for their football anyway.
Change.the.thread.title
OR.STOP.BUMPING IT
Most of the times we are coming on here to actually discuss how amazing they are
OR.STOP.BUMPING IT
Most of the times we are coming on here to actually discuss how amazing they are
Should we replace Barcelona with Real Madrid in the title? Would that make you guys happy?
To keep in touch with the thread title, Iniesta was showing the ref the invisible card today
Barcelona score 7 in the CL, Messi scores 5, and we bump a thread named: "Barcelona are a disgusting football team"..
Go figure..
Go figure..
To keep in touch with the thread title, Iniesta was showing the ref the invisible card today
To be honest, I wouldn't want to keep "in touch" with the thread title, because it's sh*t!
If you want to read about how brilliant Messi is then look at the Messi thread.
Does it matter what the bloody threads called? Like I mentioned, pretend it means disgustingly good or something
I know. This thread is dedicated for the bitter people..
You are as defensive about Barcelona as Pete is about Arsenal. There wasn't anything bad said about them and the mods won't change the thread title. Who'd want to start a new one anyways.
Ironic