Actually less since is a progressive contract.The 3m€ will be in his last year.
Anyway will renew very soon.
Barcelona mismanagement leading to a decline
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Anyway will renew very soon.
Decline of Barcelona jynx thread Mk II?
I don't think they've replaced their older players properly. They might have a couple of "poor" years and suddenly will be back to their rampaging selves.
Someone explained to me a few months ago that they were happy to pay wages in line with the replacement cost of Messi/Suarez/Neymar. I.e. pay wages x 5 years in line with the fee and wages it would take to acquire similar quality.
While it may be reasonable with Messi in his early 20s or Neymar now, it's completely bonkers the wrong side of 30.
Unlikely as Messi isn't getting any younger and he's been the glue that's held that club together on the pitch over the last 10 years. Barca have more holes to plug now than they did when it was just Puyol and Xavi nearing the end
La Masia has been a shambles since Pep left. Pep could see the new commercial approach the club was taking and left.
Sergio Roberto and Rafinha are the last good graduates to make it to the first team.
Also, Barcelona lose some promising prospects aged 15/16 every few seasons. This doesn't help them. It's a concern.
Sergio Roberto and Rafinha are the last good graduates to make it to the first team.
Also, Barcelona lose some promising prospects aged 15/16 every few seasons. This doesn't help them. It's a concern.
Their down fall is all to their utter mismanagement of the La Masia talent pool.
What? The front three more than justify their wages.
€20m for Mathieu
€20m for Vermaelen
€17m for Vidal
€34m for Arda
€30m for Alcacer
€35m for Gomes
These (and probably and a lack of youngsters) are the reasons why they struggle in other positions, not lack of funding.
Exactly. Pedro was the last succesful player to come out from the Cantera.
Technically Messi, Pique and Suarez are on neither side of 30.
This really is a monumental feck-up given the core of their great team was produced at no cost whatsoever.
They're running United close in terms of mismanagement of the wage bill. But whereas United have compensated with a brilliant commercial strategy, Barca dwelt on the 'mes que un club' idea for too long. They seemed to regard commercialism as beneath them and have only realised its importance after all the other clubs stole a march on them.
What this article doesn't mention is that Barcelona have to basically rebuild their ground, which is going to involve a huge cost. Can see them struggling financially for years now.
Maybe Pep will ride back to save them in a few years' time..
They're running United close in terms of mismanagement of the wage bill. But whereas United have compensated with a brilliant commercial strategy, Barca dwelt on the 'mes que un club' idea for too long. They seemed to regard commercialism as beneath them and have only realised its importance after all the other clubs stole a march on them.
What this article doesn't mention is that Barcelona have to basically rebuild their ground, which is going to involve a huge cost. Can see them struggling financially for years now.
Maybe Pep will ride back to save them in a few years' time..
This is why the whole Dembele affair is bs.
They fought for the title until the last match, won the cup and they lost to a fantastic Juve side in the Champions League. It's nothing new for Barça to be eliminated in the Champions League by a defensive team, Inter, Chelsea, Atleti x2 and now it was Juve. Everytime they have a slump people start talking about a decline but they always easily come back from that.
Their board has made some mistakes though and with their ridiculous wage structure and the fact that a bunch of key players will eventually decline at the same time it means they'll most likely have some problems in a few years unless their board wakes up. They'll be more than fine in the next few years though.
Their board has made some mistakes though and with their ridiculous wage structure and the fact that a bunch of key players will eventually decline at the same time it means they'll most likely have some problems in a few years unless their board wakes up. They'll be more than fine in the next few years though.
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Once Messi is gone (assuming they don't get/have the next Messi) they will drop down to being just another tier 1 club. Same with Madrid and Ronaldo.
Well, technically, when you're 30 years and 1 day old... you are over 30. Just sayin'
Financial problems are overrated. Mega clubs like Barcelona and Real Madrid always manage to overcome them.
That's nothing money though, Arsenal levels of spending.
It's not just the transfer fees but the wages that they're unable to offer and there's the problem. How do you replace Iniesta with Lindelof money?
They can't afford established players so are forced to take punts on players that wouldn't get near the squad over the last ten years.
Alves, Mascherano, Pique, Alba, Villa, Abidal, Bravo, Umtiti, ter Stegen - not sure how far are we going, but since you said "never".
Can't wait until both the Spanish clubs lose their cheat codes (Messi\Ronaldo) 
Terrible signings, jokes of players like Digne, Umtiti, Alcacer, Gomes, Vidal etc + Mascherano, Pique, Messi, Suarez, Busquets, Alba are getting old
They are fecked, they have no money because of the wage of Messi and Neymar
They tried to sign Verratti but they do not have enough money
They are super fecked
My bad, i meant recently
Talk of a decline is premature, but they have issues stopping them from climbing out of the mess through name alone:
Messi - at what age will he decline? Or more precisely, if his role changes to a slower number 10, will his performance match the supposed 500k a week?
Neymar - is his career progressing? He likes money, status to increase future endorsements. I think he would move to the PL under the right circumstances.
PL money - coutinho would probably be 80M, bellerin can't be signed. Romeu would be a last option - but Southampton can hold firm for 30-40M.
Messi - at what age will he decline? Or more precisely, if his role changes to a slower number 10, will his performance match the supposed 500k a week?
Neymar - is his career progressing? He likes money, status to increase future endorsements. I think he would move to the PL under the right circumstances.
PL money - coutinho would probably be 80M, bellerin can't be signed. Romeu would be a last option - but Southampton can hold firm for 30-40M.
Can't wait until both the Spanish clubs lose their cheat codes (Messi\Ronaldo)
Chances are Barca will get Dembele and Madrid will get Mbappe. These are probably the best talents of the young generation. There's also Neymar in the equation.
There are also the Spanish talents in La Liga that people underestimate massively. Barca and Madrid are in talks regarding the transfer of Ceballos. Just recently named the best player at the Under 21 EC. There is also Carles Alena from Barca who could be a new Thiago Alcantara.
Barca and Madrid are in a spot where it takes a monumental feck-up in order for them to decline to a worrying state. There is basically the Latin market and the huge domestic talent pool where they hold a comfortable no1 spot in drawing players. No player in Spain/Brazil/Argentina/Chile/Uruguay/Colombia/Portugal wants anything more than to end up at Barca/Madrid eventually.
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Half the NT of Spain, Brazil and Argentina are playing in the PL. Barcelona would have to secure future talent quickly as PL money from mid table teams can secure and retain them when breaking through.
Also worth noting Dembele may become a client of Raiola - who appears to be on the PL gravy train.
Which big South American talent that Barca and/or Madrid were interested in did PL teams sign?
And the leading players of Brazil, Argentina, and Spain are playing for Barca/Madrid.
Players is plural - who are the leading Brazilian and Argentinians playing for Barca/Madrid beside Neymar and Messi.
I don't wish to form an argument with you - Barcelona are still in a strong position - but from an English collective point of view our aim is to supplant your domination - Barcelona's weaknesses and potential decline make for an interesting discussion.
As a Barca fan tell us why you think a decline is premature.
I reckon that selling Neymar for 200 million when he's 27 will be one of the best things this club can do from a business point of view, and spend that money (and freed up salary space) on the best young midfielders in the world.
But we won't, because unlike Madrid (recently) we have never been a well ran club. We are a club that is ran by emotion over logic.
But we won't, because unlike Madrid (recently) we have never been a well ran club. We are a club that is ran by emotion over logic.
As long as they have Messi, they'll remain a threat.
But besides their front 3, their team is actually looking extremely mediocre right now. Most of those players are nowhere near the Barcelona quality.... Gomes, Digne, Mathieu, Aleix Vidal, Umtiti, Turan etc wouldn't get into the 09-11 Barca team. No chance.
You would be expecting them to splash the cash on the likes of Veratti, Bellerin, Coutinho etc.
But besides their front 3, their team is actually looking extremely mediocre right now. Most of those players are nowhere near the Barcelona quality.... Gomes, Digne, Mathieu, Aleix Vidal, Umtiti, Turan etc wouldn't get into the 09-11 Barca team. No chance.
You would be expecting them to splash the cash on the likes of Veratti, Bellerin, Coutinho etc.
If those wage numbers are true then Marcelo/Isco and Carvajal need to sack their agents.
Interesting to see that Odegaard is highly valued and I reckon he will return and be part of the future. His a Perez favorite. His also talented to be fairly honestly technically.
Barca haven't had the best transfer deals recently and they made the biggest mistake of them all by letting Dani Alves slip away. That was a gigantic mistake.
Their B team haven't been doing good but however the youth teams is different and I haven't heard about anyone except two exciting Korean players. I think we will see them soon then later.
I honestly don't understand why they went for Deu?
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Take messi out of the Barca starting eleven and I think even united and Liverpool could beat them, even with Suarez and neymar
It would be interesting to see what the stats tell about this.
They have a problem with the Masia, but I still don´t understand what it is. I think that after Guardiola, for a while they thought that any kid in the academy was talented, however on the other hand they stopped trusting them, signing second-class players instead.
That chaos and uncontrol in the academy has to be visible to the players themselves, since the leaks of young players are continuous.
The board has had no luck with the signings. Gomes reminds me of Illarramendi. He has conditions but the Barcelona shirt weighs too much.
Arda's attitude has been very disappointing (although he left Atlético saying that he didn´t want to run so much).
Vermaelen, Matthieu, Digne, Douglas, Alcacer are simply bad choices in my opinion, but bad choices that earn a lot and increase the problem they seem to have with wages.
The board has been always very slow in getting the best players.
Asensio, Theo and now Ceballos, who possibly will choose Madrid because they have been more than a year behind him.
Bartomeu was lucky because he renewed Luis Enrique shortly after winning the league. I still remember the photo before the elections. In addition Laporta was too confident, took the electoral campaign to the political terrain and lost.
Recently he has re-appeared in the press with a much more diplomatic and calm tone.
That chaos and uncontrol in the academy has to be visible to the players themselves, since the leaks of young players are continuous.
The board has had no luck with the signings. Gomes reminds me of Illarramendi. He has conditions but the Barcelona shirt weighs too much.
Arda's attitude has been very disappointing (although he left Atlético saying that he didn´t want to run so much).
Vermaelen, Matthieu, Digne, Douglas, Alcacer are simply bad choices in my opinion, but bad choices that earn a lot and increase the problem they seem to have with wages.
The board has been always very slow in getting the best players.
Asensio, Theo and now Ceballos, who possibly will choose Madrid because they have been more than a year behind him.
Bartomeu was lucky because he renewed Luis Enrique shortly after winning the league. I still remember the photo before the elections. In addition Laporta was too confident, took the electoral campaign to the political terrain and lost.
Recently he has re-appeared in the press with a much more diplomatic and calm tone.
Best players for Brazil are Neymar and Marcelo - > Barca, Madrid
Best player in Agentina is Messi - > Barca
Best players in Spain are obviously Barca and Madrid (Pique, Busi, Ramos, Carvajal, Isco, Alba).
Best player in Uruguay is Suarez - > Barca
Best player in Colombia is James Rodriguez - > Madrid
It's obviously that most star players from South America play for Barca and Madrid. They see these teams as the final step of their career. Most of the great South American players that played in PL in recent history are 'rejects' from Barca/Madrid.
PL teams can't sign the superstars from the South American market. They were never able to compete with Barca/Madrid for them. Since the thread is about Barca, here are the top South American players who played for Barca since I started watching football: Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Messi, Neymar, Suarez, Alexis Sanchez, Dani Alves, Romario, Ronaldinho, Deco. Hell, it's like a gallery of all time greats (with some exceptions).
We lost La Liga last year while comfortably picking up most points against the strongest teams in the league, only to waste them against the smaller teams. We beat both Atletico and Madrid away. Actually, we dominated Atletico and Madrid in all games in the league and we were unlucky not to win all games against the Madrid teams. I'd say we were inconsistent and tactically outmatched, and if you add to that the motivational problems of the team, that is why we lost Liga and got ourselves eliminated by an inferior team in Juventus.
Barca will be in real decline when they won't be able to produce a high enough peak level of play. Which is not the case. If Barca plays at its peak level they can beat any opponent anywhere. We scored 7 goals in the last 2 games on Bernabeu for example. Our problems last season were mostly down to Luis Enrique (tactics, man management) and motivation issues.
I see many people are saying we have a shit midfield, but that is not true at all. It is clearly weaker than what could be the best midfield trio of all time in Xavi, Busi, iniesta, but it's still competitive enough to make Barcelona a force.
A lot will depend on Valverde. He has a great team on his hands. He can do great things with it.
Barcelona don't win the league in one season or the CL in two.. and suddenly Liverpool can beat them.
Got to love this place.
Got to love this place.
Barcelona are not declining. When you have the best player ever (imo) and two of the best players on the planet theres almost no way they'll decline. Finishing second for them is terrible but in reality its not a decline. FFS they won La Liga the season before. They've made some weird purchases (Vermaelen, Matheiu, Krikic) and sold players they shouldnt have (Thiago, Sanchez, Cesc) even though they we out of their control.
Also with Xavi leaving and Iniesta aging, you dont have the same level of youth players coming in. Its almost impossible to replace this caliber of players.
They'll be fine, Valverde will do good I think and they will compete for the league title and no one will want to play them in the CL.
Also with Xavi leaving and Iniesta aging, you dont have the same level of youth players coming in. Its almost impossible to replace this caliber of players.
They'll be fine, Valverde will do good I think and they will compete for the league title and no one will want to play them in the CL.
Ok, they are not declining, but they need a good overhaul.
They're not in decline but they've got a few players who are close to the end of their careers at the highest level. I think the Martino appointment was a bad one for them, just seemed to be an exercise to keep Messi happy.