Barcelona to sue Neymar over move to Paris St-Germain

elmo said:
Look at the players bought by Barcelona when Pep was in charge, majority of them flopped.
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So like I said, new boards. Rossell and Bartomeu are useless and business oriented.

Edit: In general the majority of transfers flop and even then it includes Pinto, Henrique, Keirrison, Dani Alves, Seydou Keita, David Villa, Mascherano, Alexis Sanchez, Adriano, Maxwell, Ibrahimovic, Alexis Sanchez, afellay and Fabregas they are for the most part pretty good players and that's not a worse record than most other big clubs.
 
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@FCBarca @Ishdalar

Is there any sort of public knowledge about how your players feel about your current board? I can't believe someone like Messi or even Pique being too impressed with them. And I'm not just referring to transfers.

And when's the earliest that they could be booted - I'm sure I read next month? Is Laporta going to run to be elected?
 
Ish said:
@FCBarca @Ishdalar

Is there any sort of public knowledge about how your players feel about your current board? I can't believe someone like Messi or even Pique being too impressed with them. And I'm not just referring to transfers.

And when's the earliest that they could be booted - I'm sure I read next month? Is Laporta going to run to be elected?
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The players typically stay out of the politics of the board unless they are singled out, Messi has previously called out Board members when they have publicly been critical of him and only recently Busquets was critical of Segura for his comments. But in general, they stay out of it - perhaps it is in their contracts, it's unclear but it's very unusual for players to get involved. The more I've thought about the photos from yesterday, coupled with the reaction from the board (Furious) and Benedito's motion I am beginning to think it was very probably a shot at the board

What I think, however, is that it is quite obvious that the players are disgusted with the board - both Rosell & Bartomeu and everyone from their board. It's palpable the discord, IMHO. Particularly when you remember just how close both the players & Laporta were to one another, there was a lot of mutual love

As for elections, the censure or vote of no confidence has to achieve 15% of the socis support within 14 days of filing (I believe Benedito is at 10% currently but will surely grow in coming days). From there, elections can be called but the truth is that Benedito is not a strong enough candidate to pose a threat to Barto - even as incompetent as he has been. It's also a big reason why Agusti has been pushing for Laporta to re-enter the fray and ally with him - unfortunately, I think Laporta is preoccupied with Catalan politics atm but might be poised to make a move considering the state of things. Joan has been curiously quiet of late which is not like him but, again, I think he is preoccupied with other work. Freixa is another mentioned possibility but he too is a former member of Rosell & Bartomeu's board so it would be folly to back down this route.

I think it'd have to be Laporta and allegedly he's been in contact with Messi so we'll see what happens, if anything. The problem often is that the core voting block of the club are old conservative Catalans and previously have backed Sandro Rosell & Bartomeu...but, things are much different now so who knows
 
@FCBarca

Thanks for the write up bud ;). What prompted me to ask the question, was indeed coming into this thread and seeing guys like Messi and Pique posing for those photos with Neymar, which could be a big middle finger to the Board. (or we could just be overthinking :D).
 
Ish said:
@FCBarca

Thanks for the write up bud ;). What prompted me to ask the question, was indeed coming into this thread and seeing guys like Messi and Pique posing for those photos with Neymar, which could be a big middle finger to the Board. (or we could just be overthinking :D).
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More & more I think about it, it's very probably a shot at the board. Love it
 
fishfingers15 said:
Serghei, I admire your ability to pull off blatant boobies like this. Only last week, you were arguing that Dortmund should accept your valuation of their player to 'facilitate' his dream of playing for a club he loves, no matter what right Dortmund have.
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Nope. I was blaming Dembele more for choosing Dortmund and not intruducing a clause in his contract for when Barca come knocking. This would stop Dortmund trying to rip off Barca by asking 150m for a player who hasn't proven much yet.
 
GM K said:
It is written in the stars. Barcelona and PSG will be paired in the same group in the Champions League this season or they will meet in the knock-out stage.
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Both in the same pot aren't they? So can't meet until knock-out stages. PSG would trash them again I reckon and this time Barca haven't got Neymar to save their skins second time round.
 
Slimcharles69 said:
Barcelona have become a joke. Seriously how did it get to this??? They have arguably the best player ever still somewhat in his prime, more pull than any club in football bar maybe Real, money, one of if not the best youth academy among the elie European sides, now they're getting hacked, signing players based on twitter suggestions, looking petty and cheap with their signings, no doubt about it football is cyclical. Maybe they're headed towards their Moyes era after making every big club in Europe shit their pants for a while
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Only our friend David can save them now...
 
serghei said:
You don't seem to get the point. The post was from Dembele's pov, not Barca's. He wants to play for Barca. So Dortmund asking too much is also bad for him.
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No reason for a selling club to set their price based on the feelings of a player (who wants to leave). Dembele needs to get over himself (same as Coutinho).... sign a contract and you either see it out or know you rely on your club to keep/sell you as they see fit.
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
No reason for a selling club to set their price based on the feelings of a player (who wants to leave). Dembele needs to get over himself (same as Coutinho).... sign a contract and you either see it out or know you rely on your club to keep/sell you as they see fit.
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When players sign for clubs they can put conditions as well, especially if they are top talents and are doing a big favor to the buying club, as Dembele did to Dortmund. It is not as uni-directional as you say. Dembele made a mistake in letting only Dortmund to decide his future. He had a position of strenght when he signed for them and didn't use it well. Didn't think Dortmund would ask obscene money for him probably, which would potentially block his career from moving forward.
 
serghei said:
When players sign for clubs they can put conditions as well, especially if they are top talents and are doing a big favor to the buying club, as Dembele did to Dortmund. It is not as uni-directional as you say. Dembele made a mistake in letting only Dortmund to decide his future. He had a position of strenght when he signed for them and didn't use it well. Didn't think Dortmund would ask obscene money for him probably, which would potentially block his career from moving forward.
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No it IS unidirectional in this case because although players CAN put clauses in, Dembele didn't.

Under contract, tough.

(FWIW, I think Dortmund should bite Barcelona's hand off.)
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
No it IS unidirectional in this case because although players CAN put clauses in, Dembele didn't.

Under contract, tough.

(FWIW, I think Dortmund should bite Barcelona's hand off.)
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Which goes hand in hand with what I said. It's Dembele's fault primarily. First, he didn't want to come to Barca because we had MSN, understandable, then didn't put a clause with Dortmund or anything when he signed with them, and now BvB is asking obscene money for him, money which can block the deal. At this point, Dembele is by no means a certainty and 150m. should get you just that, a world class player decisive at the highest level, which Dembele just isn't.

Dortmund probably think all clubs are now oil/gas funded like PSG or City.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Well, you must also know the board for clubs like Barcelona and Real are elected periodically. So, there is always a propensity to blame the president/board if things go south.
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Just like countries blame their presidents i.e the US and Trump. Although in that case it was blatantly obvious the guy being elected was a moron. Maybe not so in a race for football club president. So yeah, blaming your president/directors is normal. What's your point here exactly?
 
serghei said:
Nope. I was blaming Dembele more for choosing Dortmund and not intruducing a clause in his contract for when Barca come knocking. This would stop Dortmund trying to rip off Barca by asking 150m for a player who hasn't proven much yet.
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No, you just weren't blaming Dembele. You were explicitly saying Dortmund were being silly and how they will become unattractive to other talents because they seem to set an evaluation of their player.
 
Ishdalar said:
Guys, this goes deeper than that.

What Barcelona did with Ney, we do it with all our stars, in Messi's case (a contract yet to sign) it would take a huge upfront payment (maybe +40M?) to balance his wages to our wage limits, that means with a 300M release clause (in the contract he almost signed already) he gets a huge upfront payment and he doesn't need to stay at the club to collect a big part of a long contract, now come next summer I think plenty of teams could reach those 300M (United, City, Real and maybe even Chelsea, Milan and PSG, who knows) and Messi would get another sign bonus with them.

This opens the door to huge paydays if you're a Barcelona star player that gets gifted a big % of your total wages right as you sign it. This doesn't only work with Messi, Pique, Busquets, Suarez and every player that joined us in the future would be getting the same kind of payments, so this basically destroys one of the management pillars of this board
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Why set the clause so low? Why not 1B euros, which is reportedly what CR7's clause is?
 
FCBarca said:
I think it'd have to be Laporta and allegedly he's been in contact with Messi so we'll see what happens, if anything. The problem often is that the core voting block of the club are old conservative Catalans and previously have backed Sandro Rosell & Bartomeu...but, things are much different now so who knows
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Why do they support Rosell though when Laporta is much more in line with principles like promoting from La Masia, Cruijff's philosophy etc? What are the values that this core block espouses then?
 
Akshay said:
Why do they support Rosell though when Laporta is much more in line with principles like promoting from La Masia, Cruijff's philosophy etc? What are the values that this core block espouses then?
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It's a good question but a few of us have mentioned that the while there are roughly 150k socis, 100k are voting age - from there usually less than half end up voting and the majority who do vote are older & conservative socis. Many of these aforementioned socis resented Laporta's early Catalan nationalism that was routinely linked to the sporting project - this was more than 15 years ago and now that Catalan independence movement is stronger but there remains a segment of the club that wants there to be a crowbar separation. Rosell & Bartomeu claimed that there was little transparency with Laporta (Ironic eh?) and that he had embezzled funds (Later vindicated in court), spied on board members etc.. A minority of fans, myself included, never bought their arguments - especially the way they were still attacking the club during it's peak. Then La Masia, Cruyff (First day of their tenure they kicked him out of the club), Abidal, Pep, I mean you couldn't have tried to destroy the club more efficiently than if they were blancos

Even before the 2006 CL victory, Rosell wrote a book going on about Laporta's failures and alleged corruption (Proved later to be false in court, years later). Plus, Rosell learned the art of shady dealing with Nike Brasil before he was involved with the club and it's there that he really showed his true colors IMHO. But just like in politics where clowns like Trump can get elected, Rosell managed to sway enough people in 2010 when there were no other legitimate candidates to go against. The bigger issue, for me, is in 2015 when Barto was forced to call elections and did so during the peak holiday time where even less socis were present to vote - coupled with meager campaigns from Laporta himself and Benedito who is currently pushing for the vote of no confidence. Even to come up with the aval which is a form of security deposit to run in the election (15% of annual budget to ensure they can cover operating losses and prevent someone from sinking the club). Problem is that in 2010 that aval represented about 75/76 million and today it is over 100 million - so to start, a candidate needs to be able to put together the finances to even be considered and right now few can do this outside of current board members and probably Laporta. That is of course unless someone else steps in with the necessary money but I have not even heard of any possibility in that regard.

Laporta has been vindicated in many ways since just about every facet of the club that he improved to a degree never seen before at the club has been entirely reversed by this board of Rosell & Bartomeu. Moreover, their reputation, sporting projects, lawsuits etc. has shown that the real crooks were always the corporate stooges of Rosell & Bartomeu rather than the playboy Laporta is. Joan is many things but you can see he truly loves the club and is close to the players. Even Bartomeu himself is a former Asspanyol club member
 
Thanks @FCBarca for that comprehensive response. I knew about Rosell's influence on Pep's departure but it seems the other (maybe more 'structural') changes are showing their impact in recent years. I agree that Laporta was a much better president and cared more about the club than the current board. I didn't know that the link between Catalan nationalism and Barca was a sticking point for the older members though - would have thought it a point of pride. Aren't these people from the generation that grew up under Franco's regime?

The financial restrictions on candidates seems a similar problem to that at Real Madrid? Is such a restriction really necessary? After all surely the socis can be relied upon to judge if a candidate would pose financial danger. In the modern age of club revenue I don't understand the need for this rule.
 
fishfingers15 said:
No, you just weren't blaming Dembele. You were explicitly saying Dortmund were being silly and how they will become unattractive to other talents because they seem to set an evaluation of their player.
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Dortmund would lose a bit of that attractiveness they have towards young players, especially players from outside Germany/Poland if they block Dembele by having ridiculous demands. That is not called blaming someone btw, that is laying out the negatives of blocking Dembele.

Ecstatic said:
Dortmund probably thinks Barcelona has 220 millions to spend :wenger:
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220 million to spend on several players since no one is as good as Neymar to warrant a fee close to the one Neymar went for. Dortmund seem to think Dembele is almost as good as Neymar. They're clearly overpricing him to take advantage of the market and of the fact that Barca have the money. If the transfer is not made, it's because of this, not other things. But, anyway, this is off topic already.
 
Loving the fact that he wants £24m from them, apparently for staying past 31st of July when he was clearly negotiating with PSG at that point and many outlets reported that he was stalling on a move exactly because he wanted to pocket that £24m bonus. I would also love him to win the case so that Barcelona can get further punished for signing that idiotic deal with him, with release clause that was easily matched and a loyalty bonus for staying with the club until the middle of the transfer window (at least make it 31st of August you idiots).
 
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