[Pogue Mahone]

Nothing to worry about with his fitness though, right?

Did someone actually say that?

I was under the impression everyone thought he would need to be managed carefully and used fairly sparingly. Manager seems to be of the same opinion, otherwise why sign Schneiderlin?

 

[Sam]

Did someone actually say that?

I was under the impression everyone thought he would need to be managed carefully and used fairly sparingly. Manager seems to be of the same opinion, otherwise why sign Schneiderlin?

I got a fair amount of abuse when I dared suggest that Schweinstiger was a high risk signing and that we needed to sign Schneiderlin as well. Too many people on here are blinded by big names, it seems.

Yeah, thankfully it seems that LVG isn't taking any risks with the midfield this season. Which makes a nice change for us United fans!

 

[Carl]

Did someone actually say that?

I was under the impression everyone thought he would need to be managed carefully and used fairly sparingly. Manager seems to be of the same opinion, otherwise why sign Schneiderlin?

That's my impression too. Seems Sam's got a view on Basti though and he's desperate to make sure people know it.

His last 6 posts in this thread:

Injured already. Took less then two weeks. feck me.

Hopefully people will now see why I was so desperate for us to sign Morgan. We basically have insurance against the (inevitable) injuries to Carrick and Basti.

He's been shite so far.

No point dressing it up.

No he wasn't. He kept getting caught on the ball, dribbled past, and was generally well off the pace.

Played some nice long passes, which he's done all tour, which seems to have blinded people to the rest of his game.

Two players, both well past their peak.

 

[Sam]

That's my impression too. Seems Sam's got a view on Basti though and he's desperate to make sure people know it.

His last 6 posts in this thread:

Am I not allowed to post if my view is not the same as others? I spent the first 6 months of last season saying Falcao was shite, and kept getting laughed at. 'How dare you, he's Radamel fecking Falcao?!'. Turns out I was right.

Obviously, I'm not saying Basti will go the same way, but the risk is there. And so far, his performances haven't convinced me that my worries are unsubstantiated. Hopefully, in time, he'll put my worries at ease and show his quality. And if he does, I'll be the first to say so.

 

[darioterios]

people, we have signed an insurance policy over any potential injuries to our midfield veterans. sit back and enjoy, it's all safe and sound

 

[Shiva87]

Am I not allowed to post if my view is not the same as others? I spent the first 6 months of last season saying Falcao was shite, and kept getting laughed at. 'How dare you, he's Radamel fecking Falcao?!'. Turns out I was right.

Obviously, I'm not saying Basti will go the same way, but the risk is there. And so far, his performances haven't convinced me that my worries are unsubstantiated. Hopefully, in time, he'll put my worries at ease and show his quality. And if he does, I'll be the first to say so.

There is only 1 use for this - Bastian fecking Schweinsteiger! Wagering is not allowed in India, but if I could - I would bet my 1 months salary of BFS scoring more goals this season than Falcao last season.

 

[Carl]

Am I not allowed to post if my view is not the same as others? I spent the first 6 months of last season saying Falcao was shite, and kept getting laughed at. 'How dare you, he's Radamel fecking Falcao?!'. Turns out I was right.

Obviously, I'm not saying Basti will go the same way, but the risk is there. And so far, his performances haven't convinced me that my worries are unsubstantiated. Hopefully, in time, he'll put my worries at ease and show his quality. And if he does, I'll be the first to say so.

I'm not entirely sure it is your opinion though, well, I think it is but this is a more hyperbolic version of it given you've also made these posts about him:

I think its starting to hit me that we've signed Bastian fecking Schweinstiger

I actually think I love him already.

He's brilliant

I have to say, I didn't realise how likable he was. I wish we'd signed him earlier in his career now!

I think you've fallen into a trap we've all been guilty of where by arguing your point (in this case still needing to sign Morgan, which I agree with btw) you've had to do so by exaggerating your bashing of the player your argument is against.

Injury issues or not, Basti is still a world class midfield player and the sort of character we absolutely needed in our squad.

Just be happy

 

[Sammyjunn]

If he gets fit and used to the PL soon; he will be world class for us I am sure. He can take our team to another level and in our squad currently the only one with di Maria and DDG (to a certain degree) leaving.

 

[Sam]

I'm not entirely sure it is your opinion though, well, I think it is but this is a more hyperbolic version of it given you've also made these posts about him:







I think you've fallen into a trap we've all been guilty of where by arguing your point (in this case still needing to sign Morgan, which I agree with btw) you've had to do so by exaggerating your bashing of the player your argument is against.

Injury issues or not, Basti is still a world class midfield player and the sort of character we absolutely needed in our squad.

Just be happy

All those posts are in relation to his interviews/press conferences, where he has come across absolutely brilliantly. Very likable bloke, who says all the right things, and will certainly bring a lot of leadership and experience to a very young squad. Which is great.

But it doesn't take away my concerns about his fitness and ability to adapt to the PL at this stage of his career. I'm certainly happy with the singing though, he's a low risk luxury (who cost relatively little) and whose potential upside far outways any downside.

 

[Orton]

Sams just doing what he done with Falcao. Ripping into him from day 1.

 

[Sam]

Sams just doing what he done with Falcao. Ripping into him from day 1.

First of all I'm not ripping into him at all. Second of all, seeing as I was bang on the money with Falcao, that's hardly something that can be used against me is it?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I got a fair amount of abuse when I dared suggest that Schweinstiger was a high risk signing and that we needed to sign Schneiderlin as well. Too many people on here are blinded by big names, it seems.

Yeah, thankfully it seems that LVG isn't taking any risks with the midfield this season. Which makes a nice change for us United fans!

Tbf you were by no means alone in that opinion. If anything, it was shared by the majority. Or close to it anyway.

 

[Orton]

First of all I'm not ripping into him at all. Second of all, seeing as I was bang on the money with Falcao, that's hardly something that can be used against me is it?

Saying he was shite in all the friendlies then going on about injuries before he's even kicked a competitive ball for us yet is a bit much. I'd be happy with 20 games from him in the league this season. He's obviously class. Falcao was done after his ligaments went and never recovered from it. May aswell write every player off.

 

[Obiorahking_]

It is just pre season. I don't think there is anything to see here other than he needs to get in better shape. I definitely would not start him against the spurs though. I think it is best we bring him him gradually and not all at once.

 

[Blackwidow]

Nothing new or that was not told before. He is off injury problems since October/November if you do not take a knock that gets him out for one match as big injury. What stole him the form for the recent weeks of last season was a bad flu that put him into bed 2 weeks and afterwards he had problems to get in form in time.

If he stays off injuries - and there is a big chance for that as he seems to be out of that cycle he was in for two years - and gets in form he is just a 31-year-old-world-class-player - who does not need much rests. In my eyes he would not have moved if he would have still any problems with his old injuries. The problem with new injuries you have with every player of every age - despite that Bastian knows his body and knows when to take care and get a day out of training and work individually.

Let him get fit and into form.

But I actually do not want to read any complaint if he is the first player on the pitch with long sleeves, gloves, caps, scarves - I am sure he will be.

 

[Ole's_toe_poke]

I was bang on the money with Falcao, that's hardly something that can be used against me is it

If you moan about everyone and everything you are bound to be right once in a while I suppose.

 

[DatIrishFella]

If you moan about everyone and everything you are bound to be right once in a while I suppose.

It's boring now.

 

[Sam]

If you moan about everyone and everything you are bound to be right once in a while I suppose.

It's boring now.

I'm actually positive about a lot of things. Just this Summer I've been very vocal in my praise for our new signings Darmian, Memphis and Schneiderlin (and the prices we've paid), plus the potential Pedro signing (even when most are moaning about that one). I'm not even against the Basi signing, I just have some concerns, which I have said are now not that big as we have Morgan. I've actually said our midfield is the best in the league. I've been very open about how highly I rate Shaw and Smalling, and I've praised Young and Fellaini for the way they've turned their United careers around. I've also praised Woodward for the work he's done in the market, and how he's transformed his image since 2013.

But hey, people don't want to remember any of that.

 

[Lennon7]

You can see where Sam's coming from with his concern about Schweini's fitness but the fact of the matter is he'll be managed carefully and used sparingly, meaning he'll hopefully be extremely effective.

 

[Name Changed]

Schweinsteiger should not be used sparingly. We need to get him fit and then the team should be built around him. It's years since we had a midfielder of his ability in the squad. We should use it.

 

[bosnian_red]

Worst case scenario is he is a very good back up for Carrick which we didn't have last season and a big reason we struggled last season. He's a better player then Carrick though once he gets fit though so I think he'll be a very good player for us.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

He's one of the few play making midfielders who can run with the ball at his feet. I think he will be deployed in a more advanced role than Carrick to be honest. He needs to get fitter to run more.

 

[Insanity]

Not surprised at the Guardialo comments on Schweinsteiger. It was obvious if you looked at his injury record of the last few seasons. Clubs like Bayern usually don't sell their top players in prime shape.

Still hopeful that he can play a part in this period of transition (Ya, another one). Schweini can still offer us a lot if he was managed in a way that Fergie utilized Rio during the later years.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

Nothing new or that was not told before. He is off injury problems since October/November if you do not take a knock that gets him out for one match as big injury. What stole him the form for the recent weeks of last season was a bad flu that put him into bed 2 weeks and afterwards he had problems to get in form in time.

If he stays off injuries - and there is a big chance for that as he seems to be out of that cycle he was in for two years - and gets in form he is just a 31-year-old-world-class-player - who does not need much rests. In my eyes he would not have moved if he would have still any problems with his old injuries. The problem with new injuries you have with every player of every age - despite that Bastian knows his body and knows when to take care and get a day out of training and work individually.

Let him get fit and into form.

But I actually do not want to read any complaint if he is the first player on the pitch with long sleeves, gloves, caps, scarves - I am sure he will be.

He doesnt like the cold?

 

[royboy16]

Schweingreaves !

 

[Bojan11]

I got a fair amount of abuse when I dared suggest that Schweinstiger was a high risk signing and that we needed to sign Schneiderlin as well. Too many people on here are blinded by big names, it seems.

Yeah, thankfully it seems that LVG isn't taking any risks with the midfield this season. Which makes a nice change for us United fans!

No you didn't get abuse.

Go look on the Schneiderlin vs Schweinsteiger thread. More people here wanted Schneiderlin. So I don't know where you got too many people on here are blinded by big names from.

 

[Drifter]

Not encouraging words from Pep .And with the clubs record on injuries .Doesn't bold well.

 

[Jacob]

It's not like RvP had a great injury record, yet he played a full season injury free for us when he signed.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Not encouraging words from Pep .And with the clubs record on injuries .Doesn't bold well.

not at all

And I dont see the point in signing a player no matter how good they are if they can only be fit to play in 50% of the games

I said it long before we signed him and got a lot of grief. There is a reason why Bayern let him go so easily and replaced him with Vidal

 

[kps88]

I said it long before we signed him and got a lot of grief. There is a reason why Bayern let him go so easily and replaced him with Vidal

They offered him a new contract and wanted him to stay to be fair. They wouldn't have done that if they had serious doubts over his fitness. Might just be a manager trying to justify why they lost a homegrown fan favourite.

 

[Randall Flagg]

It's not like RvP had a great injury record, yet he played a full season injury free for us when he signed.

But he had just come off an injury free season so was worth the risk. Schweiny has played less than 50% of Bayerns league games for the past two season (3 out of the last 4)

 

[Randall Flagg]

They offered him a new contract and wanted him to stay to be fair. They wouldn't have done that if they had serious doubts over his fitness. Might just be a manager trying to justify why they lost a homegrown fan favourite.

Same way as we offered great servants like Nicky Butt and P Neville contracts but left the door open for them too

 

[Bwuk]

Pep hasn't said anything we didn't already know.

Our ever reliable medical team passed him his medical so we must trust he'll stay fit.

 

[Jacob]

But he had just come off an injury free season so was worth the risk. Schweiny has played less than 50% of Bayerns league games for the past two season (3 out of the last 4)

In terms of gambling on injury riddled players, I think RvP was the more risky transfer. Morgan make us less reliant on Bastian, who I only see as rotation material with Carrick. Besides, it's not like we weren't aware of the situation with Bastian before we signed him, the staff obviously have some sort of plan for him.

 

[Jacob]

Pep hasn't said anything we didn't already know.

Our ever reliable medical team passed him his medical so we must trust he'll stay fit.

My sentiment exactly. If he happens to get injured, it's not because we bought damaged goods, it's because we've either been unlucky (out of control) or stupid (in control) with his training.

 

[settembrini]

Did someone actually say that?

I was under the impression everyone thought he would need to be managed carefully and used fairly sparingly. Manager seems to be of the same opinion, otherwise why sign Schneiderlin?

I remember arguing with a couple of posters in his transfer thread who were adamant that Schweinsteiger didn't have fitness problems. I thought it was one of those internet arguments that would be quickly ended just by posting the facts about his appearance record but they were not to be swayed.

 

[Someone]

Schweinsteiger is a gamble 100% worth taking, we've lost plenty of experience and we need him on and off the pitch.

As far as i'm concerned he's fit now and if we could get 30 games out of him then great.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

not at all

And I dont see the point in signing a player no matter how good they are if they can only be fit to play in 50% of the games

I said it long before we signed him and got a lot of grief. There is a reason why Bayern let him go so easily and replaced him with Vidal

He was fit to play in more than 50% of games last season and that was the season immediately after running himself into the ground for Germany in the WC. He's had a decent break this summer, which should make a big difference.

 

[Randall Flagg]

He was fit to play in more than 50% of games last season and that was the season immediately after running himself into the ground for Germany in the WC. He's had a decent break this summer, which should make a big difference.

20 out of 34 league games

Im not sure how many of these were starts

 

[Pogue Mahone]

20 out of 34 league games

Im not sure how many of these were starts

He wasn't injured in all those games he didn't feature.