Having him and Schneiderlin would be ideal considering we will be fighting on all fronts this year. Bastian would be so useful for us in Europe for the younger lads we have not having that CL experienced leader in the middle. Would be good to rotate him and Schneiderlin for when we have league and European games in quick succession.
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I deleted the OP because that is a personal feeling as an English guy living in Germany and I realised it would come back and bite me. Seeing as I didn't do it quick enough I'll try to explain. I think the guy is an out-and-out cheat and I don't want to see him in our team. There … I reckon that should do it!
Well, cause the guy grinns and all.
And sometimes dives.. We dont have players like that here so..
First off who is the second Mata?
But seriously Mata has played a lot of wing for us but i will include him as he is pretty awesome as a ACM. If ADM stays he will be on the wing I think. Blind has look far more assured at left back. So that leaves Carrick, Scheiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Fellaini, and Mata. Six players for our 3 CM spots. Honestly that looks amazing to me. We can play possession, we can play big, we can play quick, or we can play defensively.
Both.
So you got to juggle between Blind, Shaw & Rojo for a left back position? Overkill there too. Sorry for going off topic. I love the fact if United get both of these players and i am still not convinced this deal will happen. If it does then it will surely cause some issues in the team if big players are not getting regular playing time.
Does he dive more than your average modern footballer?
Yup, then jumps up and high fives everyone too! (we are talking Müller not Schweinsteiger, yes)
It as that "I'm flattered but I'll stay" about it.
I think Pep is another protege of the LvG football school of philosophy. Bastian doesnt suit Peps philosophy. Its not that hes not good anymor3, he just doesnt fit the jigsaw.
It lacks goals though. Rooney has scored only twice in his career more than 25 goals (in all competitions) while in the last three years he hasn't managed even 20. Depay might score a lot but we don't know that. Di Maria has never been a goalscorer (10 goals at most), Mata can probably manage 15 but that's it. Regardless of what three attackers we play (lets say Rooney, Di Maria, Mata/Depay) I doubt that they can manage to score 50 goals. Their backups (Fellaini and Young) will at best score 10 goals combined.
Which means that we need goals from midfield, but neither of those midfielders can guarantee 10 goals.
I think that the solution is Carrick/Schneiderlin as the most defensive player in midfield, Schweinsteiger/Herrera as central midfielder and one of Mata/Di Maria or even Fellaini as No.10.
I don't really want him that much (wrong side of 30) but we certainly should not reject him because of Fellaini. If Fellaini doesn't like to sit on the bench - which he should do most of the time if we get Schneiderlin -, get rid. Or send him to the stands if nobody wants him.
Bayern don't seem to care much either way though.
Scholes is gone man! Pull yourself together! I used ti think that same thought after big choccy left. Therell be more goddammit!!!If only it was Scholes
Too dramiatic?
In case we play 50plus games considering our formation is 4-3-3 next season,I would say we would be short by a player.
Carrick and Schweinsteiger are getting older and if they manage 40+ games between them for DLP then its fine return.
Herrara/Schneiderlin/Fellaini for other 2 spots.
Di Maria is going nowhere.
Schneiderlin will be signed soon.
We might get Schweni as well. He's a proven champion so he would make a good addition, if only for a few years.
Schneiderlin will be signed soon.
We might get Schweni as well. He's a proven champion so he would make a good addition, if only for a few years.
Schweinsteiger has produced 5 goals and 3 assists in the 1300 minutes he played in the Bundesliga this season. As good per minute g/a-quote as Rooney and better than Mata, Felliani and all of the others. Just wanted to add that... (do not let him kick penalties!)
I actually think that even partnered with Herrera that could work out fine - even if it could lack the dynamic.
Sport1 told that the talks between Rummenigge and Schweinsteiger probably will be tomorrow. Saturday is the team presentation in the Allianz Arena and the training start for him - and Wednesday the Bayern team flies to China for a week.
So the result of everything - if he stays or leaves - is just a matter of the next days.
Yet you support a team with Wayne Rooney and Ashley Young in it?
Soton seems eager for us to take Schneiderlin which leads me to think personal terms are agreed and no other clubs are in the running. But Soton wants a high price and if we negotiate with Schweinsteiger we send a signal to Soton that we are not desperate. This can force Soton to accept a lower bid bcause the longer they hold they less time they have to negotiate for a replacement. In the meantime we are happy to proceed with Schweinsteiger because if we get him then good, but no biggie if we don't. Very similar with Ramos and otamendi I think.
Conversely, having a midfield two of say Schneiderlin and Herrera is arguably too weak for LVG, even if this would allow four attackers up front (Rooney/Mata/Di Maria/Memphis). Not sure there's a middle ground, but from what I've seen of LVG, I think he'll lean towards being defensive, which means a midfield three of Carrick, Schneiderling and Herrera - with Schweinsteiger rotating in for Carrick throughout the season if signed. I agree that goals could be the issue, as we're putting a lot of pressure on Rooney and Memphis to score them.
Playing way deeper than the others mentioned.
Morgan will be done eventually I reckon. This one has potential but I doubt in it.
Or they know we're not completely committed to the deal, and are worried they'll be left with no money and an unhappy player.
Possibly. Either way it keeps our negotiating positions strong. I think Woodward has been fantastic so far.
I can imagine us holding off the Schneiderlin deal to see if we can get Schweinsteiger, and if we get him we'll buy Schneiderlin.
Schneiderlin can't play instead of Carrick without making other alterations in the central midfield. A midfield consisting of Schneiderlin, Herrera and Rooney/Fellaini has a severe lack of passing accuracy/range which doesn't suit Van Gaals playstyle at all. Schneiderlin needs to play with a proper playmaker who dictates the play, such as Carrick or Schweinsteiger.
We could play Di Maria or especially Mata in the midfield alongside Herrera and Schneiderlin but I'm not sure Van Gaal will find it balanced enough. That's why we need either Carrick or Schweinsteiger to play with Schneiderlin.
Our build-up play was our biggest problem last season and playing Schneiderlin instead of Carrick in a straight swap would just aggravate it.
Schneiderlin can't play instead of Carrick without making other alterations in the central midfield. A midfield consisting of Schneiderlin, Herrera and Rooney/Fellaini has a severe lack of passing accuracy/range which doesn't suit Van Gaals playstyle at all. Schneiderlin needs to play with a proper playmaker who dictates the play, such as Carrick or Schweinsteiger.
We could play Di Maria or especially Mata in the midfield alongside Herrera and Schneiderlin but I'm not sure Van Gaal will find it balanced enough. That's why we need either Carrick or Schweinsteiger to play with Schneiderlin.
Our build-up play was our biggest problem last season and playing Schneiderlin instead of Carrick in a straight swap would just aggravate it.
His most productive season ever has been 9 goals. So, not a player on whom you can count to score a lot of goals.
If we have a maximum of 50 goals from the attack (and lets say 15-20 from the subs), then I think that we need around 30 goals from the midfield in order to be able to challenge for all trophies.
People saying our squad would be overkill should have a look at our CL squad
mF in 99 - scholes Keane butt Phil Neville blomqvist cryuff for 2 places
MF in 08 - Anderson scholes park Carrick Hargreaves oshea fletcher for 2 places
This is how I see it. Fellaini Carrick Herrera blind Schneiderlin and schweini for 3 places in midfield with mata Di Maria januzaj depay Young and pereira for 2 in the wings
mF in 99 - scholes Keane butt Phil Neville blomqvist cryuff for 2 places
MF in 08 - Anderson scholes park Carrick Hargreaves oshea fletcher for 2 places
This is how I see it. Fellaini Carrick Herrera blind Schneiderlin and schweini for 3 places in midfield with mata Di Maria januzaj depay Young and pereira for 2 in the wings
10 million euro bid made for him as per Bild. First official offer.
He has been offered 10 million euro 2 year deal as per same source.
Might be the reason why we are stalling on Schneiderlin.
He has been offered 10 million euro 2 year deal as per same source.
Might be the reason why we are stalling on Schneiderlin.
Hopefully we can snap him up
Getting both schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger would be great for us. Easily the best midfield selection in the league having them alongside Herrera and Carrick. And signing one of them doesn't rule out signing the other, they would both be great signings for us.
That would be incredibly stupid, considering the injury-ridden year Schweinsteiger just had. We should aim for both and I think Morgan is basically in the bag. Carrick, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Blind and Fellaini would be a fantastic central midfield selection.
All of them cannot play together though.
Unless LVG has given up on carrick not sure how much sense signing both would make.
Schweinsteiger and Carrick are injury-prone and we'll have loads of games, and we will most likely play three in midfield this season.
Carrick is injured loads and turning 34 in a few weeks. His time as a starter should be over, though that's not to say that he can't be a useful squad player. We'll be competing on all fronts next season, so we need options. Signing both is exactly what we need to make sure we aren't light in there after 1 injury. Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin, Herrera to start, Carrick to be the back up holding midfielder, and then Pereira and Fellaini to be back up for the other 2 positions (with Mata/Di Maria slotting back when needed).
I think Fellaini will be used as a striker next season.
That's for me his best role.
That's for me his best role.
Top class wummery. 8/10, would read again.
Last season was the first time Carrick has played less than 40 games in his Career with us.
Yeah he is injured 'loads'...
Yeah he is injured 'loads'...
Not bothered one way or the other about this one, just as long as it doesn't effect the Schneiderlin deal.
So are we holding off on Schneiderlin to wait for Schweinstegier's decision, or are we genuinely going to try and get both?
If we do then surely someone has to leave.
If we do then surely someone has to leave.
What are you jabbering on about? If we get Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin, do you see Fellaini playing in midfield? He'd be used more up front rather than in midfield. Just like he was at times last season.
You know that might actually be part of the thinking. We sold Van Perie so we only have Rooney and Wilson as proper strikers. Fellaini can play up top on occasion as a target man and then Depay can also (according to FM of course
) play up top as a more skillful on the ball and quicker option to Rooney. Makes more sense squad wise really to have Fellaini as a second choice striker.We're going to need both of them if we're going to fight successfully on all fronts.
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