Pretty much agree with this. Possibly Evra starting for me and Fletcher in for Smalling.
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I'd take that
Certain players can't play in my opinion. I don't see Hernandez or Nani is viable options, given their lack of match sharpness, and particularly Hernandez's poor dribbling/hold up ability among other flaws. Januzaj shouldn't be thrown into the lions den at such a young age, and to expect him to be part of a defensive effort against Robben/Ribery would be bordering on cruel. Fletcher can't be reasonably expect to start in such a big game with only 3 days rest, though he's a maybe. If he's 100%, I'd rather he started over Fellaini.
Personally I wouldn't be overly fond of Jones in midfield, given Bayern's pressing and his lack of games there in recent months, but if Rooney's out he might have to play there. Fellaini might be average, but at least he's been playing CM on a regular basis this season, and hopefully he can't be any more crap than he was in the home leg. Moyes is playing him anyway so might as well have him in my lineup.
Personally I wouldn't be overly fond of Jones in midfield, given Bayern's pressing and his lack of games there in recent months, but if Rooney's out he might have to play there. Fellaini might be average, but at least he's been playing CM on a regular basis this season, and hopefully he can't be any more crap than he was in the home leg. Moyes is playing him anyway so might as well have him in my lineup.
Without Rooney:DDG
Smalling Ferdinand Vidic Buttner
Carrick-Jones
Fellaini
Valencia-----------Kagawa
Welbeck
Smalling Ferdinand Vidic Buttner
Carrick-Jones
Fellaini
Valencia-----------Kagawa
Welbeck
With Rooney:DDG
Jones Smalling Vidic Buttner
Carrick-Fellaini
Valencia Kagawa Welbeck
Rooney
Jones Smalling Vidic Buttner
Carrick-Fellaini
Valencia Kagawa Welbeck
Rooney
I agree, except I'd probably put Kagawa in Fellaini's advanced midfielder position and put Nani in on the left. I don't think we need both Jones and Fellaini seeing as they would play the same sort of destroyer role where they break up the opposition play and win the ball back. Neither of them will be tasked with/or can bring anything creative to the team, which is crucial in a game where we are chasing goal from the start. With Jones, Fellaini and Valencia there will be a lack of creativity and not many chances created which we need. They (Bayern) will probably be more solid at the back as well, seeing that they have Dante back and don't have to play a makeshift center-back in Martinez who keeps getting exploited by Welbeck's pace. I would probably bring Nani in on the left, even if he doesn't have match sharpness I think he could pull something out of the box.
De Gea
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Fellaini Jones
Kagawa Rooney Welbeck
Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Fellaini Jones
Kagawa Rooney Welbeck
I think that it is very imperative to not concede early. They will be attacking on the beginning of the game, and despite that 0-0 result will send them on semi, they will be very frustrated with that result and try to score. We have to score a goal from a corner and we have to hope that Welbeck won't bottle a good scoring oppurtunity, sure as hell we won't have many.
Ther defense isn't that great and their midfield trio (without Martinez, Thiago and Schweinsteiger) isn't as strong as usual. It would be very hard but not an impossible mission. As long as we are defensively good.
Our biggest game this season.
Doubt this. It will be either Müller behind Mandzukic in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-2-4 with Götze and Müller and without Mandzukic.
If Guardiola goes for Mandzukic it would be because he plays on his strength in headers. But Mandzukic alone against Vidic and Co. would look similar to the Arsenal matches where he was useless. Schweinsteiger is missing who is the only one apart from the defender that can play an additional role in the box when it means strength with the head. So it only would make sense when you add Müller to have two man in the box. Guardiola often needs time before he changes from a 4-3-3 into a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. In London he first subbed Mandzukic for Müller before he finally brought in Pizarro for Thiago.
But that might be too risky.
Müller's problem on Tuesday did not have anything to do with his performance but was a problem in the system. We call Kroos phlegm Tony and that combined with the dynamic bomb Schweinsteiger usually is a no-go. If we too slow and cautious in central midfield - Müller, Robben and Ribery just cannot find gaps. Robben might be the one that looks best as he for sure wins his duels - but as he cannot get into the box and nobody sends him into the holes from behind - he is useless then as well.
If you look on today's formation when Mandzukic played 90 minutes and Götze and Müller were only subbed in - and both might have subbed in later or not at all if it was not for the injury of Shaqiri who would certainly have gotten his 90 minutes today it looks more like the following formation:
Neuer
Rafinha - Boateng - Dante - Alaba
Lahm - Kroos
Robben - Müller - Götze - Ribery
That makes sense, too. Much position changes and for sure a faster match. And Bayern does not have to score. They just need to be cautious for counters. With a 0:0 Bayern is through. And Mandzukic and even Pizzaro can be brought in when all other game plans do not function...
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Bayern's bench on Wednesday will look like this:
Zingerle (the fourth goalkeeper), van Buyten, Höjbjerg, Weiser, Sallahi, Pizarro, Mandzukic (Müller, Götze)
(four U23-players and two oldies...)
With Rooney out, I think we should go with this:
---Rafael/Jones---Smalling---Vidic/Evans-----Buttner
------------Carrick-----Jones/Fletcher----------
----Valencia----Kagawa----Welbeck-------
-------------Chicharito------------
I think it is important to play one striker on the heels of the Bayern defenders. They play a too high a line to not be exploited. And with Rooney out, if we try to play Welbeck up top, we will waste one big counter-attacking asset that we have. Isolating Welbeck up top and leaving all the responsibility of creating counters to Kagawa and Valencia will be risky IMO. Welbeck chips in with his hard work in defence too when played this way. Chicharito needs to be careful with the offside though. We cannot waste any of the very few opportunities that we will get. They will have Dante back and he is a very clever player.
---Rafael/Jones---Smalling---Vidic/Evans-----Buttner
------------Carrick-----Jones/Fletcher----------
----Valencia----Kagawa----Welbeck-------
-------------Chicharito------------
I think it is important to play one striker on the heels of the Bayern defenders. They play a too high a line to not be exploited. And with Rooney out, if we try to play Welbeck up top, we will waste one big counter-attacking asset that we have. Isolating Welbeck up top and leaving all the responsibility of creating counters to Kagawa and Valencia will be risky IMO. Welbeck chips in with his hard work in defence too when played this way. Chicharito needs to be careful with the offside though. We cannot waste any of the very few opportunities that we will get. They will have Dante back and he is a very clever player.
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de Gea
Rafael - Smalling - Vidic - Evra
Jones - Carrick
Valencia - Kagawa - Welbeck
Rooney
Is what I'm hoping for.Rafael - Smalling - Vidic - Evra
Jones - Carrick
Valencia - Kagawa - Welbeck
Rooney
Thats a great line up
Call me a pessimist but the fact that he played Kagawa the full 90 today suggests that he doesn't see him in his plans for Bayern. I'd love to be wrong on this one but he did take Fellaini off early so he could be in line for a start despite looking horrid agains Bayern's pressing in the home leg.
I think he might go with this:
I think he might go with this:
DDG
Jones Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick Fellaini Giggs
Valencia Rooney Welbeck
Jones Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick Fellaini Giggs
Valencia Rooney Welbeck
3-1 Munich.......Sorry. Still more respectable then we thought
It would be ridiculous if he stuck with the same lineup as that first half that we got battered in. We didn't get out of our box apart from the 1 chance in that first half, and then Kagawa comes on and helps make it a more even game. I really hope he plays him, not only because I'm a huge Kagawa fan because it just gives us a much better chance of going through. He's also played against them 5 times, winning 4 and drawing the 1 last week, so he's proven to do well against them.
That's probably the most likely scenario based on what we've seen from Moyes so far. I really hope we get a pleasant surprise though I'm certainly not counting on it.
This is what the evidence suggests. Evra and Fellaini came off early, so being saved.
Smalling and Kagawa played the whole game, too soon for Nani, Young injured.
Let's hope Rooney is fit!
2-1 Munich.
I think Rooney will play, hopefully Fellaini wont.
Rafael
Smalling
Vidic
Evra
Valencia
Jones
Carrick
Kagawa
Welbeck
Rooney
Rafael
Smalling
Vidic
Evra
Valencia
Jones
Carrick
Kagawa
Welbeck
Rooney
Have a feeling this will be another heartbreak, close game but reckon they'll win by a single goal.
DDG
?????
Smalling
Vidic
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher/Jones
Valencia
Kagawa/Fellaini
Welbeck
Rooney
DDG
?????
Smalling
Vidic
Evra
Carrick
Fletcher/Jones
Valencia
Kagawa/Fellaini
Welbeck
Rooney
I think that is the least probable outcome. Either we'll win the tie or they'll smash us.
No Martinez, Schweini or Thiago for them. We should have Rafael and Evra back, and if Moyes has any sense, he'll drop Fellaini and stick Jones in alongside Carrick. I also think the Rooney thing is our attempt at a smokescreen.
The playing field is a lot more level than some would believe.
The playing field is a lot more level than some would believe.
I expect Jonest at RB with Fellaini retaining his place along with Buttner. Kagawa might start if giggs hasn't recovered from his injury yet.
I would love to see Jones in midfield along with Fletcher. Bayern will play their high pressing game and I'm not sure if Carrick is the right horse for the course.
............................................DDG
Rafael...................Smalling......................Vidic............Evra
...................................Jones.............Fletcher
........Valencia......................Kagawa........................Welbeck
.........................................Rooney
With Fletch and Jones, we may even get to see more give and go's to Kagawa and he might just be able to create a few more chances for Welbeck and Rooney. Plus we might be able to hold Bayern in the midfield with this group of players with Valencia, Welbeck and Rooney tracking back.
............................................DDG
Rafael...................Smalling......................Vidic............Evra
...................................Jones.............Fletcher
........Valencia......................Kagawa........................Welbeck
.........................................Rooney
With Fletch and Jones, we may even get to see more give and go's to Kagawa and he might just be able to create a few more chances for Welbeck and Rooney. Plus we might be able to hold Bayern in the midfield with this group of players with Valencia, Welbeck and Rooney tracking back.
Hope the same team starts as last match except Rafael in for and Jones replacing Giggs. Be solid stop them and we will score not pretty but we aren't ready to meet them head on we'd get our arses felt.
Sod it I'm feeling positive:
------------DDG
Rafael---Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
-------Carrick---Jones
Januzaj-----Kagawa----Welbeck
----------Hernandez
if Rooney doesn't make it.
------------DDG
Rafael---Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
-------Carrick---Jones
Januzaj-----Kagawa----Welbeck
----------Hernandez
if Rooney doesn't make it.
Would be amazed to see Hernandez start under any circumstances. Welbeck would go up top, and Valencia will certainly start.
Most probably Giggs will do, hence him not even travelling to Newcastle to be a coach, as "he'll be needed against Bayern"
Yeah I don't see him starting either and I don't necessarily disagree with that decision either. I do think it would be interesting to have both his and Welbeck's pace on the counter though. Maybe we will see it at some stage in the match.
I hope Giggs doesn't start, especially if he is deployed in the same role as last time but yes it seems likely if fit.
It will be the hardest team selection decision Moyes has to make since taking over. Can't wait for wednesday
After seeing that Moyes interview, I think you can be sure that Fellaini will play. Carrick will definitely also start, as will Welbeck, Valencia, Evra, De Gea, Rio and Vidic and Jones IMO. Leaves us with:
De Gea
Jones Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Valencia ???? Welbeck
????
Obviously Kagawa SHOULD start, its not guaranteed though because of Moyes, and then the striker depends on if Rooney is fit or not. If not, then Welbeck moves up and then I can see Kagawa starting left, with Fletcher coming in to midfield and pushing Fellaini up.Jones Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Fellaini
Valencia ???? Welbeck
????
I change my previous opinion in regards to starting Hernandez. In the last few games, he seems angry and want to shows Moyes that he is more than a subsidary player. That could drive him to perform very well and help us to the next round. Having pacy players in Hernandez and Welbeck uptop could be very deadly on counter and can thwart Bayern's build up play in the defense and in midfield. Anyway, if Rooney is unfit.
===========================De Gea(gk)==========================
Rafael(rb)~~~~~~~~Smailing(rcb)~~~~~Vidic(lcb)~~~~~~~~~~Evra(lb)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Carrick(rdm)~~~~~Jones(ldm)~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~Valencia/Januzaj(ram)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Kagawa(lam)~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hernandez(st)~~~Welbeck(cf)~~~~~~~~~~~~
Subs: Lindergaard, Ferdinand, Valencia, Fellaini, Giggs, Nani, Wilson
If Rafael is not fit, move Smailing to right back with Ferdinand at centerback. Unsure about Valenica or Januzaj. The latter may piss his pants playing in the Allianz
.But, he offers much more going forward than Valenica. Anyway, whatever Moyes chooses our players need to be mentally prepared and focused in order to get the job done.
===========================De Gea(gk)==========================
Rafael(rb)~~~~~~~~Smailing(rcb)~~~~~Vidic(lcb)~~~~~~~~~~Evra(lb)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Carrick(rdm)~~~~~Jones(ldm)~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~Valencia/Januzaj(ram)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Kagawa(lam)~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hernandez(st)~~~Welbeck(cf)~~~~~~~~~~~~
Subs: Lindergaard, Ferdinand, Valencia, Fellaini, Giggs, Nani, Wilson
If Rafael is not fit, move Smailing to right back with Ferdinand at centerback. Unsure about Valenica or Januzaj. The latter may piss his pants playing in the Allianz
.But, he offers much more going forward than Valenica. Anyway, whatever Moyes chooses our players need to be mentally prepared and focused in order to get the job done.De Gea
Jones Smalling Vidic Buttner
Carrick Fellaini
Nani Kagawa Welbeck
Rooney
Jones Smalling Vidic Buttner
Carrick Fellaini
Nani Kagawa Welbeck
Rooney
Is Rafa fit?
Rafa-Jones-Vidic-Evra
Carrick-Fellaini
Valencia-Kagawa-Welbeck
Rooney
Think that will be it.Carrick-Fellaini
Valencia-Kagawa-Welbeck
Rooney
We're heavy dogs here as would any team in the world be, have to really be at our absolute best. I think given how correct Moyes got it in the first leg he's earned the right for no moans from me when I see the team... ill probably moan a bit if young starts though
No need to worry about that as he's torn his hand ligaments. The injuries we have gives me hope that we'll put out a good lineup
Rafael doesn't need to start this game, regardless of his injuries. We need to keep a tight back four and a CB at RB will do the trick. I know we lose a lot of our attacking threat but this is against Bayern where we won't have much of that anyway. Saying that, I would put Smalling at RB, Jones in for Fellaini and Rio back at CB. Fellaini didn't do too well in the last game vs Bayern whilst Jones did, and Rio is definitely going to start!
In my opinion, Rafael and Evra have to start, they are better experienced and give us an attacking threat. I don't think we can keep Bayern at bay for the whole match, so we need to score two goals to go through. Fellaini is pretty much nailed on to start, probably in the hole, after Moyes comments midweek, and Moyes will hope that he'll provide a platform to hold the ball to bring our other midfield into play, whether Fellaini can do it effectively is another matter altogether.
Rafa, Jones, Vidic, Evra in defense, Carrick and Giggs/Kagawa/Fletcher in the midfield, Fellaini, Valencia and Welbeck in midfield and Rooney up front is what he'll play I think. Common sense indicates that he plays Kagawa in the hole and partner Carrick with Fellaini/Giggs/Fletcher, but it's Moyes, so we'll never know.
Rafa, Jones, Vidic, Evra in defense, Carrick and Giggs/Kagawa/Fletcher in the midfield, Fellaini, Valencia and Welbeck in midfield and Rooney up front is what he'll play I think. Common sense indicates that he plays Kagawa in the hole and partner Carrick with Fellaini/Giggs/Fletcher, but it's Moyes, so we'll never know.
Does anyone know the latest with Rafa?
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