Cheers, Charley
Sounds like we might struggle to get this up; stupid full-international qualifiers, we want to see Bebe!!!
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Cheers, Charley
Sounds like we might struggle to get this up; stupid full-international qualifiers, we want to see Bebe!!!
I dont think I have ever wanted a player to succeed more than i want to see Bebe succeed. His story is amazing as it is. For him to go on and be a success at United would be worthy of a Hollywood movie.
I'm quite shocked that he has been written off by so many of the Journalist, anyone who denies that there is an element of ABU-ism in the English Media, can only look at this situation. I desperately want him to deliver a good performance at the U21 Match, so that some of the Journos look stupid at-least for the time being.
BTW On a unrelated note, Ian Ladyman of Dailymail is one of the journos who has been banned by Fergie for his attack on Bebe.
BTW On a unrelated note, Ian Ladyman of Dailymail is one of the journos who has been banned by Fergie for his attack on Bebe.
Again, it's not ABU it's just lazy journalism. The same Mirror article also writes off David Silva as being unable to adapt to the physicality of the EPL - after 2 or 3 matches. Hernandez was in their top 3 signings, he's not scored a single goal in the league yet. The whole piece was crap, but not ABU.
Not even lazy journalism its just that the truth is too boring so they have to twist situations to get a good story. These days with the rise of the internet they are under more pressure than ever to come up with stories that will actually make people buy their rags.
I'm not just talking about that article though. DailyMail, Guardian, Mirror all have attacked the signing of Bebe.
Well yeah, because we spent £7m odd on a player that was being hawked out at 125k in January and was on a free in the summer. £7m on a player who's never played competitively above the Portuguese 3rd division, who SAF has never seen play and who nobody had heard of prior to a newspaper article linking him with Real. £7m on a player who's agent changed a week or so before this sudden move, a player who, let's be honest, faces a massive mental and physical battle to make the step up from playing on the streets at 17/18 to training with some of the best players in the world at 20.
Don't get me wrong, people writing him off are being ridiculously premature, but people pointing out that it's a very very strange transfer are absolutely right, and in all honesty if I was a sports journalist I'd be all over it.
I agree 100%.
No matter how big our scouting net is, it cant cover all divisions in every league. Bebe was playing at 3rd division level before he signed with Vitoria. Its only natural that United didn't knew about him back then.
That's fine, but the speed and ease with which we spent £7.4m was bizarre. Apologies for harking back to it, but we pulled out of the Ljajic deal because after monitoring him closely (training with us, playing in Serbia) we decided he wasn't worth pursuing. Fair enough. He'd been called up to their national team, looked to many to be very promising and was highly rated - but our scouts/coaches decided he wasn't good enough so pulled the plug.
Fine.
But to then spend £7.4m (apparently) on a player that none of our scouts have really had time to judge, who's never played against top class opposition, has never been selected for his national side etc. just seems absolutely baffling. Regardless of the fact that he was available for free a few months ago.
Did we actually spent 7.4m on him? I doubt it. Just because he had a 7.4m minimum clause bid that doesn't mean that we have spent that much on him. I do agree with the Ljajic part though. The way we pulled the plug to it was strange to say the least.
That was my original reaction, I assumed that we'd agreed a fee, but his former club claimed that several (4 iirc) clubs met the contract buy-out clause and he chose to go to us. If we did spend less it'd really take some pressure off him if Utd would come out and say so. If he only cost (say) £2m he'd be under a lot less scrutiny when he finally makes his debut.
Maybe just maybe united weren't lying about the work permit issue and didn't want to spend that amount on a player they'd have to loan out for a year or two. See carlos vela. Strikes me the answer given was probably the true one even if everyone was desperately searching for conspiracies.
Cheers, Charley
Sounds like we might struggle to get this up; stupid full-international qualifiers, we want to see Bebe!!!
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Berbatov take note, THAT is the ultimate lazy goal!
Can't relate but, I'd agree that being abandoned can leave one mentally scared but, a tough upbringing can also mean that you had little to live on, that one of your parents weren't there and the one that was present -happened to be drunk, on drugs, abusive, to be raised by their old siblings or a grandparent.
There are probably plenty of examples of players that may have had a rough time growing up that could have left them mentally scarred that have made it though.
Nothing to suggest that Bebe's is so unique compared to a lot of others. The story about the shelter he lived in seems to suggest he had at least some sort of support structure.
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I think it's a money laundering scam.
The official line on Ljajic ended up being that we bailed because we couldn't get a permit. The subsequent spending on Smalling, Hernandez and Bebe makes that seem a bit more plausible.
Speaking of plausible, all the conspiracy theories about money-laundering or doing Queroz a favour are the exact opposite.
Agreed, especially the money spent on Smalling & Bebe. I knew dragging up Ljajic was a bad idea, but I was referring more to the care and attention paid to him in our monitoring of him for almost a year before pulling the plug, and then splashing out the £7m on Bebe on the word of one scout.
Dodgy dealing wise, I wouldn't say such theories are implausible per se, but I see no reason to believe such a theory over the more basic one of "we got a tip off to an exceptional talent and moved quickly to beat Real Madrid (& 2 other clubs)".
Anyway, all weirdness aside, I really hope the lad does well. It's a great story, and he seems like a good kid.
Harsh, harsh but fair
his agent says "for sure he'll be better than nani!" he shouldn't start rumors like that.
The work permit thing is a bit awkward. If we could get a work permit for Diouf who had just 1 cap with Senegal, we could have easily got a work permit for Ljajic who was fresh from a fantastic Euro U17 and was already considered as one of the most promised kids around. Considering that there where two official versions I am more prone to believe that the Ljajic deal came at a time when we were a bit short of cashflow(due to bonds etc). It happens in all businesses
It's to do with age. What 18 year olds can you name who've got permits on the special talent rule, because I can't think of any. Vela was man of the tournament at the u-17 world cup but still had to go on loan for two years before getting one.
Absolute pillock.
They did came out with two official versions though.
Bit of both maybe?
Or none of them?
Well what else would it be given that we spent more on smalling instead?
The right deal at the wrong time. It does happen with big companies. The company has the assets and is in a decent financial shape and yet, for a period of time it runs out of cash flow. Under such circumstances the managers tend to cut unnecessary investment until cash start pouring in and the wheel start turning again.Im not a financial expert but if Im not wrong we where discussing the bond deal during the Ljajic deal. That's quite a big decision to take which was bound to influence our strategy in either one way or another.
We knew about Ljajic for a year. I doubt that the management was naive enough not to assess the situation beforehand and see whether there is a realistic chance in signing him. We didn't even had a valid excuse to come out with. In fact we changed it in less then 24 hours.
For once, I'm in full agreement with devilish.
Which is weird on two levels, the second being my inherent distaste for anything even remotely resembling a conspiracy theory.
Which is weird on two levels, the second being my inherent distaste for anything even remotely resembling a conspiracy theory.
Weren't you the one shooting conspiratorial post after the Ljajic deal fell through? Go and check that thread, you may claim your account was hacked as an excuse
Nope. I had my tin-foil hat on in that debate. I was on the side of the fruit-loops.
I have more arguments with the Pogue guy then anybody else but he tend to be one of the finest posters at redcafe.
get a room guys
Except we know for a fact that we had more than £100m in the bank at that time which was largely still there six months later, so thr cashflow argument doesn't stack up. Also, didn't we sign smalling in the same window (apologies if I'm mistaken on that).
I just don't get the need to find conspiracies everywhere.
So you think that we have 100m in the current account ready to be taken? Considering the interest rates given by banks on such sum that would be a very stupid decision indeed. I hate conspiracy theories myself but this is not a conspiracy theory. This is one of the natural processes a big company pass from, expecially prior a big strategic decision.
having £100m in the bank is better than having £90m when you are trying to sell bonds, evenmore when there were many people having doubts about the success of the bond issue
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