lol - both are strange transfers - not keeping in line with what we have done before. Not sure if its a change in our transfer strategy or just two decisions made on the back of a hunch.
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lol - both are strange transfers - not keeping in line with what we have done before. Not sure if its a change in our transfer strategy or just two decisions made on the back of a hunch.
It is actually keeping in line with a transfer policy that we've had for quite a few years now which is to identify and sign promising young players and try to shape them into the finished article rather than trying to buy the ready made product.
Smalling and Hernandez are two more examples of this.
Smalling and Hernandez are two more examples of this.
Tosic was strange he was signed and then hardly played so either it was an error in judgement on signing him or an error not playing him. Yes we sold him on but the whole saga was strange.
As to Bebe, even SAF own admission is that he has not seen him play and that he has failed to make the CL squad so this must indicate he must be far away from acually making any contribution to the team in the next few months.
So it's like we bought some very very raw talent. Bebe has time on his side and his omission is nothing too sinister allbeit a bit strange.
Both transfers have strange elements I agree, but I would put money on Bebe playing at least 20 first team games for us. As you said he has time on his hands and I can see signs of a good player there. I don't think its as weird as people think it is, as i'm pretty sure SAF now has a blueprint for the type of winger/forward he now wants for the side(Explosive pace, physically strong, technically gifted, decent eye for goal) .
All that I'm guessing has happened is he has heard exactly the right criterea from the Portugese scout and has acted swiftly based on the word of a trusted source(and another in the form of Queiroz).
The Tosic transfer if anything is alot more bizarre as he was clearly not the right build for the prem so it would be interesting to know what any scout could have said to SAF even if(hypothetically speaking) he had never seen him. As he pretty much confirms that he had seen him, that makes it very difficault to understand. The only possible explanation I can come with is a sudden change in the type of personel he was looking to build a team around.
All that I'm guessing has happened is he has heard exactly the right criterea from the Portugese scout and has acted swiftly based on the word of a trusted source(and another in the form of Queiroz).
The Tosic transfer if anything is alot more bizarre as he was clearly not the right build for the prem so it would be interesting to know what any scout could have said to SAF even if(hypothetically speaking) he had never seen him. As he pretty much confirms that he had seen him, that makes it very difficault to understand. The only possible explanation I can come with is a sudden change in the type of personel he was looking to build a team around.
When 'raw' talent is mentioned, I get worried.
'Raw' really means not talented enough and have had great luck to find yourself at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I have no idea how good Bebe is. I hope he isn't raw.
'Raw' really means not talented enough and have had great luck to find yourself at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
I have no idea how good Bebe is. I hope he isn't raw.
No, 'raw' means talented but still some rough edges of a players game to work on.
Cristiano was described as "raw" when he got here, in that he did not seem to know when to use a trick and what situation to use it in. As time went on he turned out ok.
feckin fantastic actually!
Ive got a feeling he's going too be a player, in the video's and reports he's obviously got great ability, Its just a case of him having a poor football brain at the moment, but the brain can be taught easily whilst ability can't so im not worried, there's no better manager or coaches too help him, which is probably the reason mendes advised him too choose United.
Curioser & curioser
Id say that De Laets exclusion is stranger.
As I've said elsewhere, Hargreaves was left out because he's got Lego where he should have a knee, Bebe was most probably left out because SAF knows he's not going to play and wants to keep him grounded.
Which leaves De Laet....
As I've said elsewhere, Hargreaves was left out because he's got Lego where he should have a knee, Bebe was most probably left out because SAF knows he's not going to play and wants to keep him grounded.
Which leaves De Laet....
Not really. Look we now know alot about the lads background ... it will take him a few months just to adjust to his new surroundings as well as the new standard of football that he has to reach. The scouts all think he is capable of reaching this standard, it will just take some time. So it does not bother me one bit that he is not being put into any first team squads just yet.
I consider him a graduate trainee that major firms hire. I remember when I was one, for the first six months it was a complete shock - straight out of university lifestyle and being expected to live a professional corporate life ... lucky for me, my firm knew about this adjustment and just sent me on courses for the first 6 months. After that initial settling in period, I thrived ... in fact I stayed with the same company for 11 years!
Give Bebe time ... at least 2 years before we make any serious judgements and remember the development curve of players like Ronaldo, Fletcher and Nani to name but a few.
Is there a clause that states that player that are U21 do not need to be registered for the CL?
But according to Scholesy you're born with the ability to play football and you don't improve as a footballer throughout your life, you can only get stronger physically and taller but you won't improve your ability because you're born with it.
my money is on De Laet going on loan to a championship club this week.
something like that, but do they not have to have been at the club two years to qualify for inclusion on that basis?
Not really, there was never really a chance of him playing in the group stage games. By that point he'd probably be just getting into reserve games.
Hargreaves' fitness is the big thing of course, and don't forget that after the group stages you can add/replace some players so they may get put in then.
The ban was supposed to be related to the book which always seemed weird because it's a rather affectionate and admiring portrait of SAF.
Ben Hibbs: Bebe is in #mufc Champions League squad.
Bit of confusion in terms of communication. Bebe was always included, UEFA just missed him off the list on their site.
Hargreaves definitely misses out. As does De Laet.
Bit of confusion in terms of communication. Bebe was always included, UEFA just missed him off the list on their site.
Hargreaves definitely misses out. As does De Laet.
That's what I looked like
EUFA missed him out when typing the list on their website, nothing to see here.
That's bollocks. I literally check the manutd.com news story on this 5 mins ago which read "there is no place for Bebe".
This has now been amended.
That's bollocks. I literally check the manutd.com news story on this 5 mins ago which read "there is no place for Bebe".
This has now been amended.
Hibbs says they got the list from UEFA site.
I thought that much would have been obvious before it needing to be spelled out, EUFA confirm the lists and put them on their site, making it seem much more reliable than any other source.
Don't manutd.com read what they're publishing. They could really do with reviewing their management team there!
Don't manutd.com read what they're publishing. They could really do with reviewing their management team there!
What should they do presume that EUFA are wrong?
What should they do presume that EUFA are wrong?
Surely somebody in the know at the club is checking what is being published?
Just seems odd to me that the Official site published this when it was clearly wrong.
So David Gill and fergie should review the website?
You're being pedantic now.
Well who else would be aware of our champions league squad?
You'd have thought they'd double check with the club rather than copy and paste from Uefa, but you'd also have thought that Uefa would be correct. Oh well, pleased he's in.
It just strikes me as odd that;
a) The Official Club site is relying on the third-party site for information they could have got from within the club.
b) It's taken two days to correct it.
a) The Official Club site is relying on the third-party site for information they could have got from within the club.
b) It's taken two days to correct it.
Good grief what a farce
Well at least that explains everything now. Only selecting 24 with eligible players missing out was barmy
Well at least that explains everything now. Only selecting 24 with eligible players missing out was barmy
What should they do presume that EUFA are wrong?
Stop spelling it as EUFA you weirdo.
The club secretary. He would have been responsible for submitting the (correct) list to Uefa in the first place. One phone call to him from a member of the United press team and the feck up would have been avoided.
It just strikes me as odd that;
a) The Official Club site is relying on the third-party site for information they could have got from within the club.
b) It's taken two days to correct it.
Exactly what i thought, it could be that they got the list from United and EUFA but EUFA never had him listed so they thought our list was changed a final time. But im with you surely the offical site would get their information from people at the club and not rely on newsnow to find articles to post
Better be taking the piss there....
Has it occured to anyone that while the site is official there is probably very little input from within the club besides interviews. The writers for the site are just hired to cover all things United, for the site.
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