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Benitez to Chelsea Discussion & Sack watch
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How could we justify sacking Roberto Di Matteo who should have some cache behind him after winning the FA Cup and European Cup just 6 months previous for a run of form which was considerably better than what we have shown under Benitez, who has no such cache?
Sacking him now would be an admission that it was a terrible mistake - we are jeopardising our chance of getting Champions League qualification.
Well I suppose that would be the perfect way for it to end up but Everton are gone, in my opinion.
As I said in the match commentary thread.
Chelsea's management , from rafa through the board to roman , deserve to finish 5th , because they are fecking clueless to a man.
Spurs/Arse in 3rd/4th would be the best outcome, feel a bit sorry for the chelsea supporters, because they are really at the mercy of the whims of a man playing real life footie manager, but if anything will take him down a peg or three its the humiliation of losing out to spurs for the CL. It should have happened last year , and I suspect had it, rafa would not be the man in charge right now.
Playing you're best side on a Thursday night in a shitty competition a few days before you play Man City away say's it all he doesn't give a feck about the league he just wants to win a trophy. Just think if they don't finish top 4 for 2 seasons in a row that's ridiculous from their point of view.
if Roman went, Chelsea supporters would get their club back...but the turmoil would result in them going down.
The Chelsea teams I remember fondly were the ones with Alan Hudson and Osgood.
good cup team...and the London derbies had some character.
The Chelsea teams I remember fondly were the ones with Alan Hudson and Osgood.
good cup team...and the London derbies had some character.
I never really thought Di Matteo was good enough for the job, and it's difficult to argue that he was taking them in the right direction. Their worst performance this season was away at Juventus and it looked as if they were on a downwards spiral from well before then.
The reality is that their problems stemmed from before Benitez but now he's accentuating them. This was never a side that had a chance of maintaining any type of title challenge for so many reasons. They don't have a top quality forward at the club(Ba is a decent back up for a top club) and with the Hazard and Oscar link up, whilst they're talented, it's their first season and they're going to struggle a tad.
Benitez hasn't helped at all though. Some of it was beyond his power; his unpopularity has just made the atmosphere around the club poisonous, but then he has hardly made any inroads into winning the supporters over either. They've had very few positive results - three wins in eight league games, and a couple of those victories were very tight and fortunate.
They need stability under a top manager, but they'll struggle to find anyone of that ilk who will want to take it on. Until they do, they'll just slip further and further.
The reality is that their problems stemmed from before Benitez but now he's accentuating them. This was never a side that had a chance of maintaining any type of title challenge for so many reasons. They don't have a top quality forward at the club(Ba is a decent back up for a top club) and with the Hazard and Oscar link up, whilst they're talented, it's their first season and they're going to struggle a tad.
Benitez hasn't helped at all though. Some of it was beyond his power; his unpopularity has just made the atmosphere around the club poisonous, but then he has hardly made any inroads into winning the supporters over either. They've had very few positive results - three wins in eight league games, and a couple of those victories were very tight and fortunate.
They need stability under a top manager, but they'll struggle to find anyone of that ilk who will want to take it on. Until they do, they'll just slip further and further.
The era of Gullit, Zola, Di Matteo, Lebouef etc wasn't half bad either. We played far better football than we do now.
regarding a top forward...Torres imo has been played when not fully fit...which must have made any problems he had worse.
and honestly which top manager would want to work under Roman?
Rafa is a spent force. He has knowledge of the game and was a good enough coach with Liverpool...but his mental breakdown...with his rant against Fergie was a sign...he could not handle the pressure.
and honestly which top manager would want to work under Roman?
Rafa is a spent force. He has knowledge of the game and was a good enough coach with Liverpool...but his mental breakdown...with his rant against Fergie was a sign...he could not handle the pressure.
I agree that RDM may not have been the long term option, as his ability to develop a team was relatively unknown, but he should at least have had this season to try.
If you are going to sack him at least don't take the piss and employ the most disliked incompetent manager ever to grace this league.
It actually almost seems like RA and Rafa are taking the piss out of the club, that is how bad the decision making has been.
The issue you have is that there is absolutely nothing any Chelsea supporter can say to Abramovich except 'thank-you.' He's more than entitled to do whatever he wants to the club.
It wasn't the best decision in the world, but what I'm saying is that there really isn't much difference between what's happening now and what would have happened if RDM had stayed. It was going in exactly the same direction, as a result of fundamental squad flaws.
Some people seem on here seem to think that we were some kind of shit club before Abramovich came in. We were a Champions League club who regularly won trophies, played very attractive football and had a good challenge for the league in '98 (I think it was). Roman's money allowed us to push onto that next level, but it's not like we came from obscurity.
Yeah but you would have gone the way of Leeds had he not come in as you were built on similar unsustainable foundations.
Well we dont know that? RDM was going through a single bad patch. Before that we had raced ahead in the league. Theres just as much evidence to suggest he could have gotten back on track and gone on another run than there is to sugest the slump would have continued.
At least it would have been him though, its another level with its Rafa ballsing things up.
Remember some cracking games against Chelsea back in the 60s and 70s. But an older Chelsea fan that I know says that Abramovich is the best thing to happen to the club. He bases that on the titles won and the European Cup and he's got a point. Is Roman really any worse than Ken Bates was?
I don't think Chelsea would implode if Roman left. They'd still be able to attract talent to the club and they'd still have status.
That was the treble season. Chelsea played very good football with Vialli at the helm. And went 22 games unbeaten in the league which was impressive.
think there were serious financial issues under Bates...which allowed Roman to come in. the real fault lies with Bates. Now you are in a very precarious position.
think he will get fed up and leave at some point. but it would not be the end of the world imo.
Agree. Chelsea, at least in my lifetime, have always been a decent club. I remember the days of Charlie Cook, Osgood, Hudson, Hutchinson, Bonetti, and McCreadie and the great football that was played whenever we met. Chelsea had won cups, domestic and European, under Dave Sexton and despite a period in the doldrums in the 80s (Mickey Droy a footballer?) they've always produced decent sides.
I think they'll get it, for me Arsenal are the ones who will miss out
Yeah, I'll give you that. Bates over-reached massively on the whole Chelsea Village project and we were in serious trouble. A Leeds situation could easily have happened.
There's many ifs and buts. Matthew Harding had an agreement with Bates that he would take over as chairman and him and Bates used to argue that money should be spent on players rather than hotels etc. If he hadn't died in the helicopter we may have taken a different direction altogether.
did not see Arsenal's match yesterday. Did they struggle to beat Villa? Gunners have looked dodgy of late. Which is good news for Chelsea. Spurs look like making it though.
Just run a predictor. Tried to be as neutral as possible and surprisingly I have Chelsea finishing in 5th with just 63 points, 5 points behind Spurs with 68 and Arsenal 3rd with 70. In reality it's probably going to go down to the last day of the season with those three clubs.
I definitely remember talk about Chelsea being in a Leeds-like danger before Abramovich came in. I think it was claimed United may sign Terry as well. There was obviously a cost to Chelsea's good years from the mid-ninties up to Abramovich's arrival, and if the club wasn't bought it probably would have been high.
Bates is a scum of a man. Should not be near any football club.....
Arsenal are going through a rough patch but I think they'll pull through and make the top 4. Spurs won't.
We've generally given United a good game - it's fair to say we have been as close to anyone as being your bogey side in the Premier League era.
It's like some clubs point to our home attendances as evidence of us being a small club and it's true that there were some shockers in the 80's and early 90's, but away from home we had one of the biggest/best away supports in the country. We're the 5th best supported club in England in all-time attendances etc...
Really will be an interesting contest Wenger v AVB.
Think AVB may just turn out to be a top manager in years to come.
It wasn't so much transfers/wages as the Chelsea Village project (hotels, restaurants, health clubs etc etc that sat empty). We were big but not massive spenders.
What did he do to deserve the sack at the Bridge? Was that just Roman's impatience for the European Cup or was there more to it?
Wonder what would have happened if Liverpool had beat them to 4th place in 2003. Supposedly Chelsea were a week away from going bust.
They now have a trust fund thanks to Roman. So even if he walked away, plenty of cash in reserve to pay off the running bills. Problem is, with no continuity, objectives are not constant.
Up till now, Im still not sure what di matteo did that deserved him getting sacked. Its quite baffling how you can go from winning the CL to getting sacked not even midway through the next season.
Then you go and appoint FSW. Does roman really think he would actually be a better alternative!?
I hope they fall out of the top 4.
Then you go and appoint FSW. Does roman really think he would actually be a better alternative!?
I hope they fall out of the top 4.
Even if Roman left now I think the club would be alright. He wrote off the debt and the profile of the club is such that behind United, Barca and Real we sell the 4th most shirts globally. We are an attractive enough proposition to any other potential buyer.
Up till now, Im still not sure what di matteo did that deserved him getting sacked. Its quite baffling how you can go from winning the CL to getting sacked not even midway through the next season.
Then you go and appoint FSW. Does roman really think he would actually be a better alternative!?
I hope they fall out of the top 4.
Rafa's a decent manager (or coach?) but the problem with him is he is a woeful man manager, and so Roman decides to employ him at Chelsea, a club which needs good man management....
Roman realised the players weren't playing for him. When they did a home truths session in the training ground, Cole and Lampard bluntly told AVB what they thought of him. So with the club struggling on two fronts (Champions League, qualifying for the CL in the league), he had no choice but to sack AVB and bring in a more friendlier coach.
As for fourth, part of the reason I think Arsenal will finish there is because of Wenger. He prioritises the league and continuity is always an advantage.
unless you got another sugar daddy, all your players will leave. In reality even with United the next owner will have to be a super rich owner.
But we have sufficient revenue. But in Chelsea's case, that is where you will struggle.
I don't think he actually did write off, hasn't it just been moved to a holding company Chelsea ltd, who own Chelsea? So whilst it doesn't sit in chelsea's books it is still there, whether he'd call it in is a different matter, guess that would depend on how/if he leaves.
Started at Chelsea when they were 4 points behind-now they are 19 points behind.
Lost the world club championship.
Lost the league cup semi to swansea.
What a job he is doing.
Lost the world club championship.
Lost the league cup semi to swansea.
What a job he is doing.
Im afraid that's the last of Rafa in this league. Nobody in their right minds won't allow him to manage in England again.
Come on, surely you know there's a certain club dying to get Rafa back?
Im afraid that's the last of Rafa in this league. Nobody in their right minds won't allow him to manage in England again.
I think you're right here - I can't see which English club he'll go to next if Roman doesn't keep him on.
Liverpool clearly didn't want him back as the job was available for a while in the summer before the Brent-Meister-General got it, and Rafa made it VERY clear he wanted the job back while it was vacant.
He obviously won't be a candidate for us.
The Arsenal board won't hire a manager that regularly bitches about transfer funds in public to replace Wenger.
AVB could have his feet under the table at Spurs for a while yet.
And I doubt Everton will welcome him
So which clubs are left? City?
Remember even the Villa fans didn't want him
Rafa's ego won't allow him to go lower without another sugar daddy getting their claws into another minor Premier League club.
I think if it isn't Chelsea full-time then he's done in England surely. Real Madrid next?