You took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!!!!!!
I would love that. It would be insane. Him and Rooney playing together ..... salivating.
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You took the words right out of my mouth!!!!!!!!!!
I would love that. It would be insane. Him and Rooney playing together ..... salivating.
Well of course he'll say that. He's hardly going to say "yeah, that Berbatov is a bit shite aint he, £30million?! feckin hell"
All I'm saying is that I'm pretty sure SAF didn't sign Berba to become a satisfactory squad player. He could have signed a whole plethora of strikers for at least a third of Berba's pricetag to fill in that role, Hernandez being one of them who unlike Berba, exceeded his expectations.
I'm getting bored of repeating myself now, the reason Berbatov hasn't got a look in recently is because the Rooney-Hernandez partnership has been working so well and he wasn't going to upset that, that's how football works, Fergie himself has said as much.
Not sure why you keep harping on about the past 3 years either, granted the first 2 years weren't great but this season he's done the business, league top scorer and more game winners than anyone in the league.
He didn't say that, he instructed the club to open contract talks with him back in February which suggests to me he's happy with his contribution.
Wonder if Berba will be at the parade tomorrow?
To be fair Bryan, he was mostly overlooked for the big games before Hernandez came in this season. Rooney being played as a lone striker.
He will be mate, why shouldn't he?
Fair comment but isn't that because Fergie preferred 4-5-1 in the big games at that time?
That was namely the point, that Arsenal failed in the "small" games. The "big" games are very important in the knock-out stages of the CL. They are way over-rated in the domestic league. As the facts show, Arsenal and Liverpool were the best teams in the "big" league games this season. And they finished respectively 4th and 6th because they failed in the "small" games.
BTW, Bolton and Fulham were must-win games, too. Arsenal failed exactly in games like those. Berbatov scored 5 against Blackburn, Arsenal scored 0. Berbatov scored 3 against Brum, City scored 0. Games like those helped won us the title, too. Let us not under-estimate them because we don't like a particular player.
Berbatov did a great job for us until he was replaced by Chicha and helped us win the title. Fact. If we sell him, we need a player capable of similar impact in the league.
A lot has changed since February, and as far as I remember contract talks have stalled and something tells me SAF is no rush to get them going again.
To be honest, I thought he might be too upset to attend. I hope he is there though, as he played a major part in us winning the title.
Yes, because Berbatov was ineffective in said games!!!
He hasn't scored since Oct 2008 in Europe, Bebe is statistically more effective in the Champions League the past two and a half seasons than Berbatov...
Or because Fergie preferred to play 4-5-1 as opposed to 4-4-2 and preferred Rooney as the lone striker.
Yes Bryan, but why????????
He was not utilized because he was ineffective.
Ferguson's decision to use 4-5-1 was an amendment to his policy of attacking 4-4-2/4-3-3 preferred formations he's always gone for.
Well that was probably because he didn't feel Berbatov offered enough to warrant 4-4-2 in those games as opposed to more strength in midfield, since as soon as Hernandez started doing well for us we played 2 strikers in all the big games.
I take Sir Alex's explanation at face value, as it makes sense, but...I wonder if the comparative mindsets of Berba and Owen played a part in SAF's choice.
Possibly, no reason to let him go though.
It was the right decision to leave him out. He is not an impact sub, and if we were 1 down with ten minutes to go then Michael Owen would be the better option. It's just the way it is. it's unfortunate that somebody had to be left out, but someone did.
Impact sub or not Owen was never going to do anything against Barca. It was more of a fairytale nice little send off for Owen that he would come on and 'Ole' the night. Felt sorry for Berba due to the quality he bring and I think both Him and Owen our out the door in the summer.
Question is does Fergie have someone else in mind, hope he's not still clinching on to Benzema.
That ship sailed long ago, he had his chance but chose to move to the career-crippling destination of Real Madrid. Tough luck but he has to live with his decision, I don't fancy him coming in and upsetting the Roonandez partnership we have blossoming.Against Arsenal who are Barca-lite and who we played terribly against Owen came on and effectively won us a penalty in the last minute if the referee wasn't incompetent. Owen always has that in him, his movement and pace can cause problems or create a chance.
I don't really agree with that to be honest. Ferguson didn't pick Owen for some kind of send of. Sure what does Ferguson owe Michael Owen?
If Owen got a chance, I'd bet on him to score. I wouldn't bet on Berbatov because a) he doesn't get in the positions and b) he's not as good a finisher as Owen. If we were one down with a few minutes left, then Owen is the player to bring on. In a game like that Berbatov would be largely ineffectual. It's not his type of game.
I liked the Owen idea just hated the timing and situation, really wish Berbatov was a part of yesterday
Yes me too. I wanted him to come off the bench and score the winner. Oh well !!
Against Arsenal's back four it's not fare from imaginable. Plus we had the ball to attack we wasn't going to get that with Barca, what Berba would have offered was for us to get the ball moving and allowing us to get into good goalscoring positions. So I disagree there.
Many have failed at the career-crippler and went on to leave it behind. I'm not saying we should buy him like you think he would need a lot of work to get to the same level at Lyon however I wouldn't put it past Fergie
Berbatov is currently not getting in because of the Roo/Hernandez partnership, i grant you that. but that doesn't really tell the whole story does it?
The bottom line is Berbatov consistently does not offer enough, regularly enough. Last season he couldn't get in for the big games when there was no Roo/Hernandez partnership so what's the excuse for last season's omission?
You claim he has done the business this season, but i would claim he has done the business in only a few games, when we had no better options, and as soon as we again had better options he was yet again reduced to warming the bench.
Yes, admittedly he has played better this season and scored some good goals, but had Rooney been in better form, i would argue that he would not have had as many opportunities to do so.
So however you try and slice it Bryan, Berbatov regularly doesn't deserve a starting place, because despite his considerable talent, he does not offer as much to the team as his competition.
13 of his 20 came in 4 matches off the top of my head. 7 in all others.
Agree with that!
I think it's the "end pf the road" for Berba at Utd. Simply because, last night will damage him physologically, he may even seek a transfer himself.
There is bound to be a rift now between him & SAF.
SSN saying he wasn't on the coach back to Manchester. Unless there's a reason for his absence then I think it might be the end of his Utd career.
What exactly would constitute a reason to let him go Bryan? Do you honestly feel that over his Utd career, he has done anywhere near enough to justify a new contract? I most certainly don't! Having a good first 6 months of one season out of 3, before again being reduced to a bench warmer is hardly anything to shout about imo.
He looked fitter and sharper at the start of this season, which however commendable, really only begs the question why was he not equally as sharp and fit for the previous 2 seasons?
Irrespective of his improved fitness and form, unfortunately the end result has ended up the same. Still largely irrelevant at the business end of the season and imo largely irrelevant to any future successes.
I personally think we would be much better off having a player who will either seriously challenge for a first team place, or someone who can offer a regular and positive contribution as an impact substitute a la Sheringham or Solksjaer.
Berbatov unfortunately offers neither. He is a very talented footballer, but he is not a particularly effective one either. I was one who thought we were buying at the very least another Sheringham type, or at the very best another Cantona, yet he has vastly under achieved and tbh has been a massive disappointment over the course of his Utd career.
If we could use him to bring Modric's price down then imo we should do so, I believe at this stage the need for a Modric far outweighs the need for a bench warmer who only becomes relevant when the alternatives need resting, are out of form, or are injured or suspended.
He may as well pack his boots up, I just hope he will find a club who suits him.
Pinch of salt.
Think it's been clear for some time Fergie's 'thing' for Berbatov has long gone. It's difficult to argue with the theory behind having Owen on the bench rather than Berbatov, I know who I'd back to make an impact from there out of the two all day long. Especially considering current form, and Berbatov's form in Europe full stop
I remember having long arguments with Pogue inparticular about Berbatov selections in the past. Last season he was dropped a lot, it was claimed that was due to our longing to play 4-5-1, and not to do with the players limitations or the issues with his affect on our style of play. I always argued if he was good enough, he'd be in with Rooney, and we'd change our style... and we've seen that proven true when a player like Hernandez comes along. He suits our style, his play gets the best out of others, and that's the reason he's selected yesterday, and Berbatov misses out altogether
I dunno if we've seen the last of Berbatov now. I won't be too disappointed if that's the case. At least he did himself a bit more justice this season, and he can be proud to have finished joint Premier top scorer. But it's always been a bad fit, and I don't think he has the right mentality for this club, maybe even this highest level of football. And if he has been a dick yesterday and risked upsetting the lads who were selected... feck him
Good post.
If this is true that he went into a huff and refused to travel back with the club it will be slightly funny when all his fanboy's always say his attitute is great and he never chucks the toys from the pram like a certain Tevez.
Just saying
Just saying
Key word there. We know nothing really, and are in the dark. Whatever Fergie's decision, if there has to be one, it will be in the best interests of the club.
SSN lied when they said he left so I don't know why we'd believe them when they said he refused to leave.
Dunno if they lied or did fergie cover for him (and he would, because he wants to avoid any BS) But Apparently he didnt take his seat with the other squad members not on the bench. So its all the same really.
Either way they've lied at least once - he can't have left early and then refused to leave. SSN have been too involved in rumour-mongering for a few years now. Strange that you'd take any pleasure out of this rumour being true.