Only an idiot would attribute those four poor results on Berbatov. Berbatov was the only positive against Blackburn IIRC. It's fine if Fergie thinks that Berbatov is not the way to go ahead, but he is clearly needed right now. As much as I love Welbeck and Chico, they've both been utterly woeful in the past few weeks.
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This clamour for Berba all of a sudden is quite interesting - I've always supported him, but can totally understand why he has now been frozen out.
Are people actually saying he should be starting? Or you just want him on the bench?
Are people actually saying he should be starting? Or you just want him on the bench?
On the bench for me. A different option to Welbeck/Hernandez.
Given his lack of match time, I'm not sure I'd want him to start a game, especially during the title run-in.
The thing with him being on the bench is that he offers nothing as an impact sub.
Doesnt really offer much from the bench. Wouldnt mind him starting in the home games. That said, it might be too late now given how long its been since he's played.
And Welbeck and Chicha have been that amazing recently as impact subs? Nothing about their form suggests they will make an impact right now either when they come on.
Just because he doesn't run around all huff and puff doesn't mean he does not have the quality to make an impact, did it crucially last season when we were down to 10 men against Bolton at home.
Berbatov has shown ability to score this season when he's hardly played, at least for me instill more confidence than either Welbeck or Chicha to come up with a touch of class.
Being away from the team can really lift people's valuation of a player. Tom Cleverley made huge strides towards immortality with every month he's been out.
Facts are, we know Berbatov well. He can be classy on his day, he can be pointless on his bad days, giving you absolutely nothing and be unable to score from any chance (while someone like Hernandez will at least trouble the defence with his runs). That's why we're letting him go, that's why he's been out of the picture for most of the season. Being even out of the squad recently may have something to do with both sides admitting he'll be off, rather than any bust up.
We didn't expect to use him again till the end of the season, not much anyway, but unluckily Welbeck and Hernandez have hit crap form. I'd start Berbatov against Villa, it's a u-turn worth trying. That doesn't mean what we've done recently is wrong. Situations change.
He's not much of a game changer from the bench, we've seen enough of him to know that. Yeah, he scored a winner against Bolton, but that was a very rare case of him influencing a game after coming on as a sub.
Facts are, we know Berbatov well. He can be classy on his day, he can be pointless on his bad days, giving you absolutely nothing and be unable to score from any chance (while someone like Hernandez will at least trouble the defence with his runs). That's why we're letting him go, that's why he's been out of the picture for most of the season. Being even out of the squad recently may have something to do with both sides admitting he'll be off, rather than any bust up.
We didn't expect to use him again till the end of the season, not much anyway, but unluckily Welbeck and Hernandez have hit crap form. I'd start Berbatov against Villa, it's a u-turn worth trying. That doesn't mean what we've done recently is wrong. Situations change.
He's not much of a game changer from the bench, we've seen enough of him to know that. Yeah, he scored a winner against Bolton, but that was a very rare case of him influencing a game after coming on as a sub.
I'd prefer him to start but I'm with Varun in that I think it might be too late given the length of time since he last played.
I'm curious why you think he isn't playing? If it's because he's leaving at the end of the season; again I'm curious why you think that is?
He should be an option since Welbeck and Hernandez have been dire, that's why this topic was brought up, but if something has happened behind the scenes that we don't know about then I guess it makes sense to why he's not even in the squads. If that's not the reason, then it is quite baffling as he is still a great option to have.
he is a forgotten man, fergie don't even want to speak about leaving him out.
Absolute rubbish. The reason we got hammered by Newcastle is the team played poorly overall. Berbatov and Rooney hardly got any decent service. Not sure how you can use that game as a means of anything. So what if we beat Wigan with Berbatov and no Rooney? That's just because we played well on the day as a team. We started up front with Rooney and Hernandez against Wigan and we were rubbish, clearly means those two can't play together.
I was against his signing initially saying we didn't need him. Watching him play for us I became quite a fan. Saying that, it's understandable why SAF wasn't playing him in the run-in. He's going to be off and we'd rather give games to Welbeck and Hernandez. The problem there is that the bad form of those two players has continued whereas at the start of the run we'd have just considered it a blip. If Berbatov's doing well in training I say we ditch the freezing him out and play him. Not playing the last 5 games of the season won't harm Welbeck and Hernandez. We already know what Hernandez can do in a title run-in but his doing mediocre is another lesson for him to show it's not always going to happen. Welbeck will learn much better from the bench that when it comes to winning things, sentimentality means nowt and performances and goals matter.
I used those games as an example, not sole proof. I thought it had been long since established that they weren't a great partnership.
I think Fergie is sidelining him deliberately, I'm just not sure why. He's been treated very unfairly IMHO
You want him to start? With Rooney? Fergie has decided that they don't work together - only if Rooney is rested/injured might he get a run out.
Fergie has also decided that he doesnt fancy him as a late game changer, and I think that is far enough seeing as Berba has rarely delivered from the bench.
Even on currently form, I'd take Welbeck or Hernandez ahead of him as impact sub - there is usually a decent winger and midfielder to choose from as well.
So I do agree that Berbatov has been harshly treated and probably deserves to sit on the bench, but I think it is easy to understand why he isnt getting any game time.
Saw this on the official website. Looks completely out of place and random. He goes from talking to Nani to all of a sudden mentioning Berbatov.
given the form of hernandez and welbeck, berba deserves a start today imo.
Just because Welbeck & Hernandez have lost form doesn't mean Berbatov deserves anything, he has to be training well to get a start. I think he at least deserves to make it to the bench regularly though so he can actually provide an impact, its hard to break into a team when you can't make the bench.
Not really surprising. He should be on the bench in every remaining fixture at least. It's stupid not to have him as an option.
Out of interest, who would you drop from the bench to make way for Berba?
I think Welbeck and Hernandez have probably both been given far more latitude for their poor form than Berbatov ever has.
Berba's done now though - I don't see the point in worrying about bringing him back into things. He's not going to be sharp or up to speed.
Pogba, for me. Or Park when he's on there.
I think he meant Berba would play after we wrap up the league.
I agree with this, to an extent. Hernandez particularly has had a lot of pretty poor performances this season. Mostly it probably comes down to style of play and how they're perceived.
I think people are being overly harsh on Welbeck, his finishing has been poor lately but he brings a lot to the build up. The vital point is that he links up with Rooney far better than Berba ever has.
Chicharito is another matter and has been pretty shit lately - I wouldnt be starting him but even on current form I'd still choose him over Berba everytime if we are looking for an impact sub. Berba rarely does much from the bench - he needs 15 mins just to get upto speed in a game.
Although I agree that Berba should be there ahead of him, Pogba is obviously in there due his contract situation.
I don't really think Park is competing with Berba for a place on the bench, Park is a player you bring on to see out a game when you are ahead.
Finishing is the *only* problem I have with Danny - he's been very wasteful.
Not denying he's made a promising start to his United career, but current form doesn't really warrant a start at the moment.
Still no idea why Berbatov has been involved as little as 10 games all season and he has scored 7 goals in those games. Does SAF really hate him as much as that?
SAF's management of Berba this year has been baffling especially since Welbeck and Hernandez have both had extended slumps...i can understand selling Berbatov to get back what little money we invested in him. But surely that time was after he had his best season. We could have got at least 12-15 million from PSG a year ago. Instead we keep him a year, give him 10 games and now he'll probably go for under 10.
More importantly...having kept him we haven't played him enough.
Just strange. There must have been some falling out that has been kept under wraps because Berba always struck me as someone who would sulk but would always tow the party line.
More importantly...having kept him we haven't played him enough.
Just strange. There must have been some falling out that has been kept under wraps because Berba always struck me as someone who would sulk but would always tow the party line.
I've given up wondering just what he could have done to be frozen out like this.
The only thing I can assume is that Fergie sees welbeck and Hernandez having a future at united whilst berba's lies elsewhere. Therefore, whilst out of form, welbeck and Hernandez will benefit from game experience!
Either that or there's been a huge fallout behind the scenes!
Either that or there's been a huge fallout behind the scenes!
I don't care if he kicked fergie's pet rabbit, I just want united to win, and we need goals. I'm sure Berba could help in that respect
Virtually pointless substitute.
Actually thought he'd be perked up and ready to prove a point.
Actually thought he'd be perked up and ready to prove a point.
What was he going to prove? He's been frozen out and he knows it. We've seen in the past that good performances won't get him back in the team. Fergie's made his mind up.
You're an absolute joke. He has had minimal match fitness in the last few months. But yeah let's pick on him, well done you idiot.
I wish he gets more appearances. wouldnt mind the winner at emptyhad
he cant prove it even if he wants to. his agent said fergie wants a younger team.