Berbatov | Fulham player

Twigginater said:
If you're a United fan and you dislike Berbatov, you are indeed an idiot.
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I am a United fan and I don't like Berbatov.

No, I am not a glory hunter, I am United fan since 2002 (I am 21 now). And I'm not an idiot.

You lose ;)
 
Ismail Elezi said:
I am a United fan and I dislike Berbatov.

No, I am not a glory hunter, I am United fan since 2002 (I am 21 now). And I'm not an idiot.

You lose ;)
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Is your first language English mate? I think this might be a misunderstanding.

Do you mean dislike as in you would prefer United not to line up with Berbatov? Because that's not idiotic, I can understand your point of view.

Or do you mean dislike as in you don't like him as a person? Because he's acted superbly since he's been here, and has never kicked up a fuss as far as we know. I could not understand this.
 
Twigginater said:
Is your first language English mate? I think this might be a misunderstanding.

Do you mean dislike as in you would prefer United not to line up with Berbatov? Because that's not idiotic, I can understand your point of view.

Or do you mean dislike as in you don't like him as a person? Because he's acted superbly since he's been here, and has never kicked up a fuss as far as we know. I could not understand this.
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No, English isn't my first language.

I mean dislike as I don't want him in United, simply because we have beter players, and many times I was pissed off of his game and almost never I wasn't satisfied by his contribution.

About the other thing, of course not. Berbatov is an example of how a professionist should behave, and he seemed a good guy in his interviews.
 
Ismail Elezi said:
We needed a winger with Giggs and Park not being the players they were. So we bought Young, although it's debatable if he was the right player.

What difference is there between that and old having 2 strikers in Rooney and Tevez then?

Ismail Elezi said:
We need desperately a creative AMF so we bought Kagawa.
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I presume you haven't seen him play because this is all wrong, and we are in 'desperate' need of midfielders but it certainly isn't in attacking roles that we lack them.

Ismail Elezi said:
Did we need a 30M first choice striker? I think not. Probaly it was only me but even there I couldn't understand that signing.
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We needed a striker. Would you prefer if we just shied away and bought a worse player than Berbatov in order to save money?
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Ismail Elezi said:
No, English isn't my first language.

I mean dislike as I don't want him in United, simply because we have beter players, and many times I was pissed off of his game and almost never I wasn't satisfied by his contribution.

About the other thing, of course not. Berbatov is an example of how a professionist should behave, and he seemed a good guy in his interviews.
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Cool, I can't get behind the first point, and I think you're being massively harsh, I think his contribution has been excellent since he got here. Pretty much a goal in 2.2 games in the prem, and great build up play as well.
 
Twigginater said:
Cool, I can't get behind the first point, and I think you're being massively harsh, I think his contribution has been excellent since he got here. Pretty much a goal in 2.2 games in the prem, and great build up play as well.
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He certainly should have been used more this last season. And to think we lost the season on goal difference!!
 
Cina said:
Ismail Elezi said:
We needed a winger with Giggs and Park not being the players they were. So we bought Young, although it's debatable if he was the right player.

What difference is there between that and old having 2 strikers in Rooney and Tevez then?



I presume you haven't seen him play because this is all wrong, and we are in 'desperate' need of midfielders but it certainly isn't in attacking roles that we lack them.



We needed a striker. Would you prefer if we just shied away and bought a worse player than Berbatov in order to save money?
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We played in many games, especially in big ones with only 1 striker. plus Ronaldo, was almost a striker. I didn't said that we didn't need an another striker there, only not an expensive one. We needed a backup, not a first choice starter. About Young, he cost about half what Berba cost, and that only because he was English. Also, we had an injury history with wingers, Nani many times were injured, Valencia had a terrible one, so we needed another one.

About Kagawa, I have seen him playing many times and I think that we need a player like him, a creative attacking midfielder. We are well stocked in attack and wings, but a player like him will give us an another dimension.

I would have prefered to buy a young striker and to develop him (like what we did with Hernandez 2 years later). Berbatov wasn't an urgence for whom we needed to break English record. With money we could have saved from him, who knows, we could have signed a midfielder.
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Ismail Elezi said:
Cina said:
We played in many games, especially in big ones with only 1 striker. plus Ronaldo, was almost a striker. I didn't said that we didn't need an another striker there, only not an expensive one. We needed a backup, not a first choice starter. About Young, he cost about half what Berba cost, and that only because he was English. Also, we had an injury history with wingers, Nani many times were injured, Valencia had a terrible one, so we needed another one.

About Kagawa, I have seen him playing many times and I think that we need a player like him, a creative attacking midfielder. We are well stocked in attack and wings, but a player like him will give us an another dimension.

I would have prefered to buy a young striker and to develop him (like what we did with Hernandez 2 years later). Berbatov wasn't an urgence for whom we needed to break English record. With money we could have saved from him, who knows, we could have signed a midfielder.
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You will have to blame Fergie for that one, I'm afraid.
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Twigginater said:
Cool, I can't get behind the first point, and I think you're being massively harsh, I think his contribution has been excellent since he got here. Pretty much a goal in 2.2 games in the prem, and great build up play as well.
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He scored goals, but the problem was that he was inconsistent almost like Anderson, and in big games he dissapeared. The only big game I remember when he played well was against Liveropol.

Also, in his best season when he scored 20 goals, 11 of them were in only 3 games. In other 39 game he played (most of them as a starter) he scored only 9 goals which hardly is good enough.
 
Ismail Elezi said:
He scored goals, but the problem was that he was inconsistent almost like Anderson, and in big games he dissapeared. The only big game I remember when he played well was against Liveropol.

Also, in his best season when he scored 20 goals, 11 of them were in only 3 games. In other 39 game he played (most of them as a starter) he scored only 9 goals which hardly is good enough.
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His best season in which we wouldn't have won the league without his input, you mean?
 
EricaNo7 said:
His best season in which we wouldn't have won the league without his input, you mean?
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Well, if you want it in that way, we couldn't have won the league without VDS, Evra, Vidic, Nani, Hernandez (to name a few) too.

And at-least Nani, VDS and Vidic contributed more than him in that season (I'm talking only for the league). In Champions, Chicha and Rooney were miles better.
 
Pexbo said:
I'm happy with Berbatovs contribution. Price tag is irrelevant and should never be used when evaluating a player or for expectations.
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Never understood this point of view.

There is a huge difference between a hopeful punt such as Bebe and signing an established top class Premier League striker. To expect the same from Berbatov as one would from Bebe would be setting expectation ludicrously low.

If you prefer: people set Berbatov's standards at that of a top class Premier League striker (funnily enough top class to the tune of £30m). By this criteria he has done nowhere near enough to be deemed a success.

If he was bought as a backup or a hopeful punt then he would be deemed a relative success (again funnily enough you would rarely pay £30m for a backup or a punt).
 
finneh said:
Never understood this point of view.

There is a huge difference between a hopeful punt such as Bebe and signing an established top class Premier League striker. To expect the same from Berbatov as one would from Bebe would be setting expectation ludicrously low.

If you prefer: people set Berbatov's standards at that of a top class Premier League striker (funnily enough top class to the tune of £30m). By this criteria he has done nowhere near enough to be deemed a success.

If he was bought as a backup or a hopeful punt then he would be deemed a relative success (again funnily enough you would rarely pay £30m for a backup or a punt).
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Except bebe cost nearly £8m!! And was totally useless. Can't believe you can even compare him to His Divine Berbaness
 
EricaNo7 said:
Except bebe cost nearly £8m!! And was totally useless. Can't believe you can even compare him to His Divine Berbaness
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That's my point. When assessing the Bebe transfer most would say it was a total waste, but it was a hopeful punt who could have been the next Nani/Ronaldo. It was an £8m gamble that didn't pay off.

No-one would say Berbatov was a £30m gamble that didn't pay off. He was signed as a sure-thing top class striker. Using that criteria he was mediocre at best and a bit of a failure if realistically harsh.

Every player cannot be judged using one criteria that doesn't take into consideration cost/capabilities (not just in Football, in any industry a trainee cannot be judged by the same criteria as a reputable, seasoned professional).
 
finneh said:
That's my point. When assessing the Bebe transfer most would say it was a total waste, but it was a hopeful punt who could have been the next Nani/Ronaldo. It was an £8m gamble that didn't pay off.

No-one would say Berbatov was a £30m gamble that didn't pay off. He was signed as a sure-thing top class striker. Using that criteria he was mediocre at best and a bit of a failure if realistically harsh.

Every player cannot be judged using one criteria that doesn't take into consideration cost/capabilities (not just in Football, in any industry a trainee cannot be judged by the same criteria as a reputable, seasoned professional).
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< cue sigh of despair
 
Twigginater said:
Tevez?

Haha, can anyone remember him at the start of his Man United career? When we had to give him a goal which deflected off his head in order to get him off the mark? The guy who fecked us off, fecked City over and has fecked over every club he's ever been at?

Can you imagine how much worse we'd have been if we'd have signed him rather than Berba the scar faced prick.
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We won the double with him. All those accomplishments you like to list, but thats the big one.
 
Twigginater said:
Tevez?

Haha, can anyone remember him at the start of his Man United career? When we had to give him a goal which deflected off his head in order to get him off the mark? The guy who fecked us off, fecked City over and has fecked over every club he's ever been at?

Can you imagine how much worse we'd have been if we'd have signed him rather than Berba the scar faced prick.
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There's plenty you can criticise Tevez for without having to make stuff up. His first goal was a header against Chelsea. Are you referring to Nani's goal that his Tevez in the head and went in? I don't recall much clamour for the goal to be awarded to him. It was his third game. You're talking about it like it was a Forlan type drought. Let's not also gloss over his contribution to a league and Champions League double.
 
acnumber9 said:
There's plenty you can criticise Tevez for without having to make stuff up. His first goal was a header against Chelsea. Are you referring to Nani's goal that his Tevez in the head and went in? I don't recall much clamour for the goal to be awarded to him. It was his third game. You're talking about it like it was a Forlan type drought. Let's not also gloss over his contribution to a league and Champions League double.
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Aye, but he's a cnut.
 
EricaNo7 said:
We may have won the double with him, but his contribution was dwarfed by Rooney and Ronaldo
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To be honest he played very well in the end of season, especially in the final when he was much better than Rooney.
 
There's no arguing we overpaid for Berbatov and he wasn't worth over 30 million, but overall I think we got our moneys worth.

When we really needed him when Rooney was going through a half-season rough patch, Berbatov delivered and was one of the main reasons why we won the title in 2010/2011. If you look at the money Chelsea and City have spent to win the title or how much Liverpool spent to attempt to win a title, 30.75 million seems a bargain for a Premier League title.
 
EricaNo7 said:
We may have won the double with him, but his contribution was dwarfed by Rooney and Ronaldo
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That's BS. He scored more goals than Rooney. Scored more league goals than Rooney. Made more league appearances than Rooney. Played better than Rooney in the Ucl final.

Everyone was dwarfed by Ronaldo. In no way did Rooney dwarf Tevez.
 
EricaNo7 said:
I'm sorry, I just can't retain one good memory of that ugly little man
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It's unfortunate that he is a shitc**t.

But fact is only 3 United teams have won the UCL with Tevez being a big part of one of them. He will be far more remembered than Berbatov.
 
manutddjw said:
There's no arguing we overpaid for Berbatov and he wasn't worth over 30 million, but overall I think we got our moneys worth.

When we really needed him when Rooney was going through a half-season rough patch, Berbatov delivered and was one of the main reasons why we won the title in 2010/2011. If you look at the money Chelsea and City have spent to win the title or how much Liverpool spent to attempt to win a title, 30.75 million seems a bargain for a Premier League title.
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I can never understand this logic. You're talking like Berbatov single handed won us the title, when clearly VDS, Vidic, Evra and Nani were more important than him. He was a substitute in the most important part of the league when Chicha and Rooney start playing well.

The league cannot be won from a player, it was won from a hard work of a squad, in which I agree that Berba played an important role, especially until January.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
It's unfortunate that he is a shitc**t.

But fact is only 3 United teams have won the UCL with Tevez being a big part of one of them. He will be far more remembered than Berbatov.
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For me Tevez was far more superior player than Berbatov, and contributed to team much more than him. It's sad that he was such an arsehole, and he will be remembered much more for it than for his game.
 
Ismail Elezi said:
For me Tevez was far more superior player than Berbatov, and contributed to team much more than him. It's sad that he was such an arsehole, and he will be remembered much more for it than for his game.
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I'm sorry but I disagree about the superior player part. Both have different skills and Berba is absolute sex when he's on form. Much easier to watch. I prefer that style of player over a Tevez anyday.

My point is that Tevez was part of a squad that achieved something only 3 United teams in our history have achieved so far. So he's going to be more remembered.
 
cw1984 said:
Why? Despite him handling himself with true class during all of this it's simply never worked for him here.
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Despite what I've seen on the pitch, pretty sure he has the best goals/start ratio of any of our strikers over the past 2 seasons.
 
Ismail Elezi said:
I stand by what I said. Tevez was and is a better player than Berbatov. Berbatov is just a better profesionist. For me it's not even a debate.
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Well, for me it is. He probably is now (age issue), but certainly wasn't in some of the earlier points in their respective careers. For one, I don't buy this 'Tevez was better at United than Berbatov'.

And Berbatov for Tottenham was a different class to anything Tevez has shown since coming to England, bar his one, absolutely outstanding season at City.
 
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