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RvN was great at bringing the ball under control and holding off defenders, but he wasn't as capable as Berbatov at then doing something with it. He would play the simple pass, which was fine, (or sometimes he wouldnt even do that), but Berbatov is more capable of picking out an extraordinary pass/flick, or beating the defender himself.

Spot on. Exactly what I meant but couldnt put into words!!:D
 
Personally, I can see Ron going this season, and if he doesnt go, he certainly will be marginalised at United. I wouldn't bet against Fergie dropping Ronaldo to the bench, and giving Nani his due, or better yet, playing Berbatov in the lone striker's role with Rooney and Tevez playing off him...
Really? If Ronaldo stays, he'll give his very best to impress once again and prove he is the best player on the world. His ego won't allow him to do anything different. No matter what big of a cnut he might be, he is the guy who scored 42 goals last season and was the driving force behind our club winning yet another Premiership title and the UEFA Champions League. I honestly can't see Fergie dropping Ronaldo, he's just too good. After all Fergie will have more than a word with the Portuguese and if he wants him to stay and sorts the trouble out, there is little point in letting him rot on the bench.
Nani will play even more in the coming season, but he proved that he still has problems with his discipline as well. It may take another season to get rid of that shit as well (remember the West Ham incident...).
All I can say is in SAF in trust.
 
Id have to respectfully disagree moz.

watched one game for spurs 2 seasons ago where berbatov played up top alone and spurs got someone sent off.

He was in spendid isolation. All spurs and paul robinson in particular (!!) did was hoof the ball in his general direction and it was amazing surrounded by defenders he fended them off and brought it down time after time as if he wasnt even under pressure. Some players couldnt have done it with no pressure let alone with 2 defenders climbing all over them.

Ruud was good at holding up the ball in the sense of keeping it but rowem was right, wasnt the best in terms of keeping it and linking up in a fluent move. Was more a case of keep it, lay it off , get in the box and wait for a finish.

Yorke was better than ruud at holding up and linking play for example. No slight on ruud who was a far better striker all round.
Laying off the ball is keeping the move going, it's a bit daft to distinguish between that and other ways of linking up
 
RvN was great at bringing the ball under control and holding off defenders, but he wasn't as capable as Berbatov at then doing something with it. He would play the simple pass, which was fine, (or sometimes he wouldnt even do that), but Berbatov is more capable of picking out an extraordinary pass/flick, or beating the defender himself.

I remember countless times when Ruud held up the ball and then played someone in with a superb pass. Giggs vs Stuttgart and Rooney vs Wigan stick out as good examples. Also see the City cup game in 03-04, when he pretty much gave a one man masterclass of holding the ball up.

For whatever reason no one was ever willing to give him credit for it, but it was by far his main asset. Apart from scoring hundreds of goals, obviously.

Berbatov's got a bit of craft about him, which Ruud never had, but I'd never say he's better at hold up play

Ruud holds the ball up better then Berbatov, in fact his all round play was better then is talked about, from what is said you'd imagine all Ruud did was stay within 10 yards of the penalty spot waiting for the ball to arrive.

Exactly.

It's not a pop at Berbatov though. I think he'd be a good signing. Though with Ronaldo likely on his way out, we probably need someone else aswell to make up the numbers. Isn't Park injured again too? or did I imagine that
 
Really? If Ronaldo stays, he'll give his very best to impress once again and prove he is the best player on the world. His ego won't allow him to do anything different. No matter what big of a cnut he might be, he is the guy who scored 42 goals last season and was the driving force behind our club winning yet another Premiership title and the UEFA Champions League. I honestly can't see Fergie dropping Ronaldo, he's just too good. After all Fergie will have more than a word with the Portuguese and if he wants him to stay and sorts the trouble out, there is little point in letting him rot on the bench.
Nani will play even more in the coming season, but he proved that he still has problems with his discipline as well. It may take another season to get rid of that shit as well (remember the West Ham incident...).

Of course, Ronaldo did well last season, but you have to remember, the team was set up for him. I have no doubt that if we were still playing the 4-4-2, Rooney would be pulling out similar numbers.
I personally think we're gonna change our tactics next season, as Ronaldo simply cannot be relied upon to stay loyal. That means, Ronaldo will no doubt be pushed into the periphery, he'll probably be deployed on the wing and literally stay there so that Rooney can roam and perform at his optimum, cos you know that Rooney is more likely to stay at United for the long haul.


You've got to ask yourself, Is it worth putting the long-term success of our club at risk to satisfy the ego of someone who blatantly has taken liberties with his position, and is extremely likely to feck off to Madrid in a year's time?

The Nani-West Ham incident was a one-off, certainly not indicative of his discipline overall. The only thing I dont like about Nani is his quite frankly, embarrasing dives...
 
Laying off the ball is keeping the move going, it's a bit daft to distinguish between that and other ways of linking up

I'd say its daft to not make a distinction. There is a clear difference between the way e.g. heskey holds up the ball and links up play to how berbatov does. Heskey is excellent at holding up the ball in a totally different way..more about retaining possession than looking to create. Ruud was more of that ilk than the berbatov ilk. Its not a slight on ruud to say that.
 
Of course, Ronaldo did well last season, but you have to remember, the team was set up for him. I have no doubt that if we were still playing the 4-4-2, Rooney would be pulling out similar numbers.
There is little on earth I'd like to see more than Rooney scoring 40 goals a season, but I doubt this is going to happen within the next years. But Rooney is still young, lot of time to improve at United ;)

I personally think we're gonna change our tactics next season, as Ronaldo simply cannot be relied upon to stay loyal. That means, Ronaldo will no doubt be pushed into the periphery, he'll probably be deployed on the wing and literally stay there so that Rooney can roam and perform at his optimum, cos you know that Rooney is more likely to stay at United for the long haul.
I see your point, but it will also depend on who SAF brings in as his assistant coach. To be honest our system worked fairly well this season and if one of our biggest strength is Ronaldo's goal scoring ability, why not use it? The team proved we're capable of doing well without him as well, but at this point it is way beyond me why we shouldn't use the abilities of the BPITW to be even better? Yes, we certainly relied on his goals last season, but if he stays and we add another striker (e.g. Berbatov), that might change a bit. I also doubt that Ronaldo is ever going to score 42 goals a season again, but a figure of around 25 is certainly more than possible (and likely if he stays fit)

You've got to ask yourself, Is it worth putting the long-term success of our club at risk to satisfy the ego of someone who blatantly has taken liberties with his position, and is extremely likely to feck off to Madrid in a year's time?
No, certainly not. But I'm sure Fergie is already doing his business and thinks of what might happen when Ronaldo leaves. Bringing in a type of striker like Berbatov or Benzema is a step in the right direction, even if Ronaldo stays in the end. No matter what happens in the future though, we'll win titles without the Portuguese cnut as well.

The only thing I dont like about Nani is his quite frankly, embarrasing dives...
Agreed, hopefully he cuts it out as soon as possible.
 
Out of interest most of the fans on the Spurs forums seem to think it is very unlikely that they will sell him to us.

Yeah, they're title rivels ;) If they admit he might be available, spurs would sell to United.
 
Spurs have never said they won't sell to us.

Spurs fans just don't wanna see Berbatov play for another premiership team
 
Yeah, they're title rivels ;) If they admit he might be available, spurs would sell to United.

I bet they would rather sell him abroad. In the end he's world class and it's not going to help them break the top four if they continually strengthen their "rivals".

Having said that selling Robbie Keane to Pool would be more damaging in that regard.
 
If Ferguson is interested in the player and does actually sign him, it is most likely a good move for the team. Simple as that.

And If he is not interested in the player and he does not sign him,it's most likely a good move for the team.Either way it's all speculation.Simple as that.
 
I am amazed that none of you lot have noticed that Berbatov blatantly gives up when things don't suit him.

Sir Alex values a fighting spirit, and rightly so - there is zero possibility that he will sign this man.
 
And If he is not interested in the player and he does not sign him,it's most likely a good move for the team.Either way it's all speculation.Simple as that.

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Well done. The difference is I did not make a silly statement, if you dont like him as a player say why. Lets see what happens anyway, I actually cant be arsed with this.
 
I am amazed that none of you lot have noticed that Berbatov blatantly gives up when things don't suit him.

Sir Alex values a fighting spirit, and rightly so - there is zero possibility that he will sign this man.

Well that was a foolhardy thing to say. You've actually seen Berbatov play in the flesh how many times?
 
Well that was a foolhardy thing to say. You've actually seen Berbatov play in the flesh how many times?

It was foolhardy on many levels, but you won't get me into a chief-style rant.

Answer is none, just remembering sky telly and good old match of the day - his head goes down and he stops running.
 
It was foolhardy on many levels, but you won't get me into a chief-style rant.

Answer is none, just remembering sky telly and good old match of the day - his head goes down and he stops running.

That's just simply not true
 
I am amazed that none of you lot have noticed that Berbatov blatantly gives up when things don't suit him.

Sir Alex values a fighting spirit, and rightly so - there is zero possibility that he will sign this man.

Sir Alex will give him the drive, players get better at Manchester United, and a lot of it has to with SAF's determination to win, hopefully once Berbatov sees that it will instill more desire in him. That said the lads talent is undeniable
 
I'd say its daft to not make a distinction. There is a clear difference between the way e.g. heskey holds up the ball and links up play to how berbatov does. Heskey is excellent at holding up the ball in a totally different way..more about retaining possession than looking to create. Ruud was more of that ilk than the berbatov ilk. Its not a slight on ruud to say that.

It's fair enough to note the differences but to say all he does is lay it off as if that's valueless compared to everything else is daft. A pass through is great, it'll fail most of the time, even from Berbatov.
 
Sir Alex will give him the drive, players get better at Manchester United, and a lot of it has to with SAF's determination to win, hopefully once Berbatov sees that it will instill more desire in him. That said the lads talent is undeniable

I don't deny he has talent, and I agree that SAF has never been afraid to take on a difficult character, in fact he thrives on them.

But can he instill fight in a 27 year old? I don't believe he will even try.
 
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That's brilliant, BG.
What picture of Berbatov did you use? Just to see the clear difference.
 
Bearded Genuis are you responsible for this photshopping as well

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Photoshopping is like cookery - source your ingredients well, and you're sorted...

Use poor ingredients, and you end up with pebbledash.
 
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