The fee is £18m to begin with. By the time we've repaid the rest of the money we'll pobably have crushed Liverpool's 18-5 record. Money well spent then i guess.
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18 million is still a reasonable large upfront payment would you not say?
Well, 28 million pounds seem right for a striker who has scored goals for each team he has played for Bayern Leverkusen (in fact, he was part of the squad that qualified for the Champions League Final against Real Madrid at our expense; he was a 19 year old reserve then), Bulgaria,Tottenham Hotspurs. Berbs wil guarantee us at least 15-25 goals a season. And strikers usually peak between the age of 28-32 which means that we will be reaping the fruits of Berbetov's maximum potential. A few EPL triumphs, one or two Champions League title later, I'm sure people will "forget" his price tag just like how Carrick's 18million pounds is no longer seen as stupid.
28 million also represent the crazy market forces operating at the moment due to TV rights, etc...If Richardson cost 5.5 million pounds, 28 million does not seem that excessive
28 million also represent the crazy market forces operating at the moment due to TV rights, etc...If Richardson cost 5.5 million pounds, 28 million does not seem that excessive
-best option available?OK. Never knew that football was starved so badly of class strikers (once we know of and the unfound gems that our scouts are paid to find ala adebayor to arsenal) available ones eg. eto'o
Ferguson wants him simple as that and if he buys him it will be at a price he is comfortable with. He has admired him for a long time and bid for him in the past. Whether you think someone else is available means little.
Where does this 18m+10m talk come from, any link?
He would have been 21. Still, can't believe how long ago that was though.
As with Carrick (and as with almost all add-on clauses for all players) most of any add-ons would relate to appearances and continued CL qualification, rather than trophies won.
You could win nothing and still have to pay all of it.
Has this been confirmed by Fergie or the club? I must have missed it.
Its common knowledge he admires him and has made complimentary remarks. He definitely bid when at Leverkeusen and his agent confimed there was an approach to Tottenhams board to negotiate at other times.
So yeah, you must have missed it.
Only scored one goal against the Top 10 last year, hmm.
We're the ony ones in the bidding for crying out loud. I know Fergie was interested and it was likely we'd sign him but we could have got a better deal than that surely. It's one thing paying over the odds because of market conditions and because of perception, but a whole different matter when you add to it all yourself.
A Spurs fan i know has thanked us.
We're the ony ones in the bidding for crying out loud. I know Fergie was interested and it was likely we'd sign him but we could have got a better deal than that surely. It's one thing paying over the odds because of market conditions and because of perception, but a whole different matter when you add to it all yourself.
A Spurs fan i know has thanked us.
No other team in world football would have paid what we did for hargreaves.
Whereas I think a number of teams would have paid 20-25mil or so for berbatov. Add the utd premium to the fee and its not that bad.
-fine be extra then, late 27, 28 w/e
-best option available?
-Yeah now here's the problem, he WILL be dropped for a fair few games as we'll be accomodating many players next season. We'll just have to wait and see how he reacts but going on what jol AND ramos have said his attiutude is too great.
-Keane was more of and out-and-out striker than berbatov.
-Last time I checked he had only two years left http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/04/17/ufnberba117.xml
"Dimitar still has two years on his contract with an option for another two years and is on one of the best packages at the club."
-Ok so without ronaldo's steady supply of goals do you REALLY think that the others would have chipped in enough for us to have won the double. Every team needs a CF when they don't have a player like ronaldo scoring for fun. Look at any top team and they all have an out-and-out striker but we'll see how we do without ronaldo up until october.
It's not late 27, he is midway through his 27th year.
Come on, Wenger is unique, he has the time and he doesn't have to win feck all. We have the money, Berbatov has the class, why not? You say Eto'o, why is Eto'o better than Berbatov?
How many strikers are better than Berbatov?
Remember, he was the second most productive player in the best league in the world last year, you say he isn't worth £28 million.
Come on, he hasn't shown himself to be a prat like Ronaldo, that is bad attitude. He won't come here, with the best players in the world and the best manager ever to kick up a fuss about a few games on the bench, Silly suggestion. But you suggest Eto'o, who has caused havoc at Barcelona, ahd fights with other players, taken the piss out of his manager and refused to play, that is contradictory.
Robbie Keane was not more of an out and out striker, that is ridiculous. Keane played off Berbatov, like Rooney/Tevez would, he flattered Robbie Keane and helped create one of the best partnerships since Bergkamp/Henry or Yorke/Cole.
That depends on who we would have replaced him with, of course his goals were vital, but Rooney and Tevez can score more, Berbatov will score goals, there is no reason why 3 of the best attacking talents in the world cannot score 80 goals between them.
What difference does us being the only bidder make? Do you know for certain that we are anyway? Tottenham have a valuation for a player with a contract and it is up to Ferguson to go as far as he is willing to go. Unless you were part of the process Nick you have no idea if we could have got a better deal or the details of this e.g clauses if it is true.
Lads, if we go by the Telegraph article, its £18mil the rest depending on appearances and trophies, which could rise it to £28mil. Thats good business. Don't pay attention to the rest of the media because they seem to be sensationalizing the price. For example, we've only paid about 22mil for Rooney and slightly more for Rio so far. Not the 30mil being spouted by certain tabloids and Rafa Benitez. Ronaldo was signed for £7mil or thereabouts up front the rest dependent on appearances. So overall we negotiate well. The media just exaggerate everything as per usual.
Also, i doubt we're paying £5mil. a year for Tevez only for him to possibly feck off after two yrs. Doesn't strike me as smart business, which to be honest wasn't our strong point during Kenyon, but under Gill, we seem to negotiate well.
Also, i doubt we're paying £5mil. a year for Tevez only for him to possibly feck off after two yrs. Doesn't strike me as smart business, which to be honest wasn't our strong point during Kenyon, but under Gill, we seem to negotiate well.
Top 10 clubs you mean? Not true if so.
He scored against Villa, Pompey, Arsenal, Chelsea (twice), Man. United, W.Ham (twice) and Blackburn.
Where are these number of teams.?
As nick has pointed out before he's only scored 1 goal against a top 10 team FFS. So according to you that rooney, tevez and berbatov will score more than 25 goals each? well that makes a pleasant change from the berbatov thats only scored 27 goals in TWO seasons in the prem (even though he does assist but we have other players who do that too!!). He publicly said that he only wanted to come to us, he's only got two years left on his contract, no-one else bid and you think that 28 mill is a good deal
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP COMMENT
, one good season doesn't justify your comment at all.Oh don't you worry about the debt, "we have the money"; i'm sure it'll just pay itself
Its all bluff and counter bluff at this point. If we were not interested in him you genuinely belive a striker the quality of berbatov who wants to leave would still be at spurs come the end of the season with teams like barcelona, arsenal, liverpool, NEWCASTLE!! in the market for strikers?
Our interest is likely to ward off a number of clubs much like it did in the tevez saga because we have a tendency to inflate fees!
Of course it makes a difference, they can't make an auction out of the process and it should put us in a stronger position.
They've got a want away player and there is a fair bit of the window remaining, we could've tried harder.
Are you aware of any other clubs then? Even a recent and unlikely rumour?
I'm sure that's what Sprus fan Danny Kelly said.
Rooney
he was 27 million
Well he was talking out of his arse then. The goals scored last season against the top 10 clubs are exactly as I've given them.
Look it up yourself if you don't accept it.
Berbatov has a contract whether he wants away or not, he has wanted to join United since during Jol's reign. No, im not aware of any clubs Nick and am not including rumours eg Barcelona, neither of us know the details. The difference is that you made an assertion that we were the only ones bidding and it should have affected the price tag. I did not.
I'm surprised to read that, since he didn't have that many goals.
I'm not disagreeing at all, just curious 'cause I love statistical analysis: what does "productivity" consist in?
I think Fergie plumbed for Berbetov over Etoo because he provides a different type of forward over Etoo. The Cameroonian speed demon striker resembles Rooney & Tevez a bit too closely, in the sense that their game is about aggressive uncultured head-on charges into the opponent's penalty box.
Berbetov on the other hand is a cool customer. Remember all those one-on-ones that Rooney & Ronaldo conspired to miss against Liverpool that could have seen us win 7-0 against the Dippers. Well, Berbs is the kind of striker with a cool head and classy finishing (a la Ole) in the sense that he would have dinked all these one-on-one chances. Also, Berb's physical stature means that we will have somebody taller to hold up the ball espially if it comes in the air rather simply seeing Roon & Tevez hopelessly fighting for the ball in the air with the likes of Terry, Toure, Hyppia. Berbs's height will be useful for little knockdowns, flicks for our on-coming forwards like Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Giggsy, Scholesey to take advantage of...
Berbetov on the other hand is a cool customer. Remember all those one-on-ones that Rooney & Ronaldo conspired to miss against Liverpool that could have seen us win 7-0 against the Dippers. Well, Berbs is the kind of striker with a cool head and classy finishing (a la Ole) in the sense that he would have dinked all these one-on-one chances. Also, Berb's physical stature means that we will have somebody taller to hold up the ball espially if it comes in the air rather simply seeing Roon & Tevez hopelessly fighting for the ball in the air with the likes of Terry, Toure, Hyppia. Berbs's height will be useful for little knockdowns, flicks for our on-coming forwards like Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Giggsy, Scholesey to take advantage of...
Ever heard of assists?
As nick has pointed out before he's only scored 1 goal against a top 10 team FFS. So according to you that rooney, tevez and berbatov will score more than 25 goals each? well that makes a pleasant change from the berbatov thats only scored 27 goals in TWO seasons in the prem (even though he does assist but we have other players who do that too!!). He publicly said that he only wanted to come to us, he's only got two years left on his contract, no-one else bid and you think that 28 mill is a good deal
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP COMMENT
Oh don't you worry about the debt, "we have the money"; i'm sure it'll just pay itself
And he has been proved wrong by a Spurs fan you thlid.
You keep changing the goal posts, pick one comparitive, don't switch between PL goals and overall goals to support your argument. Nobody else bidding does not mean that he isn't a top class player, it doesn't prove anything.
I am serious about the partnership comment, ask most of the people on here and they will agree, you clearly don't watch much football. So if the evidence of one season doesn't justify the brilliance of a partnership surely it doesn't justify Adebayor being any good? A case of double standards.
Oh right, now it's the debt, oh my God. Would they sanction a deal if they didn't think we had the money. It's laughable that you think your reasoning is better than billionaires and the one of the most successful sporting managers ever, laughable, you are making a prat out of yourself. You have no idea what our debt is or how it is financed.
You don't trust the bloke who just won us back to back titles and a champions league, and that this transfer is whimsical
Seriously, be gone.
Yes, and nick is wrong.
There are effectively 4 years left on his contract, since the club (not the player) has the option to extend it by 2 years.
Keane and Berbatov, over the last two seasons between them, have scored or assisted 139 goals for Spurs !!! That's 91 goals and 48 assists. That doesn't include international goals and assists.... YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP COMMENT
I'd suggest getting your facts straight before leaping to opinions.
For all talking about productivity there was an OPTA stats thing on SSN that showed when Assists and Goals were put together for all players in the league over the last two seasons Ronaldo, Rooney then Berbatov were the top three. I cant be arsed finding it though.
Eto'o also has class.
It doesn't put us in a strong position as Spurs clearly didn't want to sell him to another premier league club. They obviously rate him highly, we do, it is unbelievable that some of you lot don't.
I just can't see how anybody who watches him could say that he isn't one of the top strikers in the world. He has been more productive (in both departments) than Ibrahimovic in both of the last 2 seasons and he is rated as one of the best in the world.
I'm confused, we have signed a brilliant player and you lot are complaining. That is depressing, what will please you ungrateful cnuts?
I just can't see how anybody who watches him could say that he isn't one of the top strikers in the world. He has been more productive (in both departments) than Ibrahimovic in both of the last 2 seasons and he is rated as one of the best in the world.
I'm confused, we have signed a brilliant player and you lot are complaining. That is depressing, what will please you ungrateful cnuts?
Not as a person, and not as consistently as Berbatov.
I think Eto'o has gone off the boil actually, i wasn't impressed with him this year.
fecking ridiculous.
I feel sick.
I feel sick.
This whole ''were the only ones who're interested in him'' rubbish is a load of bollocks. Milan, Chelsea, Barcelona and even the fascist cnuts have expressed some form of interest for him in the last 2 years. The only reason that no one has publically bid for him yet is because he's not the priority target among other players in Europe such as Villa, Arshavin, Adeybayor etc, thats not to say he's a bad player.
Im definitely sure hes a player that any club in the world will be happy to have (providing hes happy and doesnt demand a move)
Im definitely sure hes a player that any club in the world will be happy to have (providing hes happy and doesnt demand a move)
still a long way to go.
boobies, and lots of them.
Eto will make us more direct, with Berbatov give us more edge slicing opponents defense.
Tut, this one is glaringly obvious and has been for some while.
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