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Bluemoon goes into Meltdown
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What? There was all out mutiny from half the Forum!There were several suicides, and death threats against Woodwoodwood.
A few muted rumblings indeed!
I jest, of course, but I would say that half the Forum did rumble and it wasn't muted.
Fair enough mate - though I do think United fans got over it quickly enough. I remember many moons ago when Kendall took over at City and one of his first acts was to sell crowd favourite Ian Bishop. I was so outraged that I told a United supporting mate I wasn't attending another City match while Kendall remained in charge. He told me I was talking bollocks and lo and behold my protest ended almost as soon as it started.
"Stop discussing us you fecking Rag cnts."
You got a pic from 30 minutes later handy mate?
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Which nicely sums up the lottery winners that City are.
Crowd favourite Ian Bishop indeed!
What makes me laugh is when they wheel out some nobody (like Ian Bishop perhaps?) who has so little connection the current lottery winning team as to be irrelevant.
At least when it's Colin Bell, or (god forbid) Mike Summerbee, they were reasonably good back then.
All teams, good bad or indifferent have fan favourites.
I work on the railways and hear groups of fans heartily chanting the name of some jabroney I've never heard of but the expression on their faces as they do it tells me that they are true football fans. Maybe Maidstone fans once did that for Smalling, Tranmere fans did it for Coppell, Millwall for Gordon Hill and Fleetwood did it for Vardy?
Some on here are so quick to dismiss the role that the other 91 clubs in the English leagues play.
"Stop discussing us you fecking Rag cnts."
I went to school with the one in the grey polo. Weird.
He wasn't a nobody on 23/09/89.
Just because the memory is selective and biased doesn't make a player a nobody.
Bishop was a quality player who made a huge impact in a very short space of time - he wasn't top drawer but he oozed class as witnessed in the 5-1 win over United in 1989. Not just for his goal - a move which he started and finished - but for the cross field ball he played to David White that led to Hinchcliffe's goal. He went on to have a very productive spell at West Ham and was loved by their fans too before returning to City in the twilight of his career and helped us get promoted back to the Premier League.
I see Goater and Dickov as club legends too - Dickov arguably scored the most important goal in our history - and while they wouldn't get anywhere near today's "lottery winning" team they played an utterly vital role in helping us get back to the top tier.
I'm sure United fans of a certain age have their own crowd favourites from the 74-75 promotion season even if they're not fit to lace Cantona's boots. I know Carlo Sartori, for example, is fondly remembered amongst a lot of your fans.
I'm not sure how you can extrapolate Colin's post to be a denigration of lower league clubs. He's quite clearly pointing out that Ian Bishop was a fan favourite of a club that, in a sense, no longer exists due to the transformation of city post unprecedented Arabic state PR focused investment. Clearly you'd disagree with that point (also Bishop played about 20 odd games for you guys did he not before going off to the Hammers ...I assume his pivotal role in a certain 5-1 match cemented his status as fan favourite)
Your railway based examples of lower league fans loving players you've never heard would only make sense if you're somehow suggesting that West Ham was a step up from City (Maybe City fans once did that for Bishop before he became a Hammers legend). Which, to be fair, at the time it might have just about been...which somewhat reinforces Colin's point.
A bit after Sartori's time I think but in in my class at school Hill, Coppell, Pearson, Buchan and Big Jim Holton were idolised. Again would struggle to make the squad these days but at the time these men were immense.
It's like MK Dons fans celebrating Peter Fear, I agree.
Of course it exists you pillock.
There are few top clubs that haven't had a cash injection over the years, City's like Chelsea's happened to be in an era when it took hundreds of millions to get to the top of English football due to the TV, global shirt sales and Korean noodle partner money that slooshes around the PL these days. United's injection to transform it from near bankruptcy to contenders happened in eras when fifty quid and a quarter of Uncle Joes was enough to sign a decent player.
My point about the lads and lasses on trains on a Saturday going to Bloomfield Road to watch the Trotters visit the Seasiders and expecting Super John McGinley to score the winner is every bit as valid as your drooling about Rashford or Martial and us about Sergio and KDB.
The older or more enlightened Reds will know what I mean.
Who the hell is Ian Bishop?
Ha ha - give your head a wobble mate.
Of course it's every bit as valid! Nothing in Colin's post or mines suggested it wasn't. As the unenlightened, youthful pillock you have perceptively identified me to be I may be talking nonsense, but I think I was simply pointing out that Colin was actually suggesting that your club, which received a gargantuan cash injection from a foreign state attempting to massage it's global image as a totalitarian and oppressive state very recently (i.e not generations ago...sort of in the last decade), might be quite different in every way save it's name from the club which Ian Bishop very briefly (although memorably) played for 25 to 30 odd years ago.
Clearly you disagree. This is unsurprising. It is however surprising that you think his post was suggesting that fans of smaller clubs may idolise and have heroes that are not as famous or as good at football as Utds more famous heroes, and that makes him arrogant in some sense when he clearly said nothing remotely like this.
Yet he also name-checked another City legend prior to our so-called "lottery win" in Colin Bell and said he can understand it when he gets wheeled out on a match day so his comments implied that Bishop was a nobody in footballing terms rather than some hackneyed cliche about City not being a proper club anymore, something I've yet to hear any opposition fan outside of the Internet utter when following us across the country.
What the feck happened to this thread?
You're right. Sorry. Head suitably wobbled. More like Livingstone fans singing for super Darren Jackson.
From the looks of things, City fans turned up, started saying quite reasonable things and then our lot got shirty.
This and the RAWK thread would work much better if the City and Pool fans on here just ignored them instead of intervening to (understandably it must be said) defend their fellow fans of every slight, real or perceived.
The concept of banter is lost if we are going to seriously argue over one set of human beings are better than the other based on the club's we support. Much rather prefer, rag this, rag that. So get on with that you city cnuts.
Whether his point is hackneyed or not, it is undeniable that the City of 2016 are very much not the City of Ian Bishop's day. Whether City are a real club or not (and I couldn't care less for such meaningless sanctimonious judgements) they are certainly a very different club. Which is what I think Colin was saying. He wasn't, however, saying lower league clubs can't have fan favourites, nor that they are somehow lesser for doing so. But I fear this thread is de-railing.....
Oh, and people tend not say things that'll upset people to their face... the internet is a shield. For example, Gentleman Jim would have been less likely to call me a pillock to my face. Perhaps opposition fans are similar ....especially when you're just meeting them.
"Hi, I'm M18CTID. Who are you?"
"Brian. Your club is a soul-less parody of it's former self"
West Indies quick bowler, he was a real handful, but career cut short by back injuries. He's a commentator now.
May I answer for him?
Manchester United is the correct answer.
How would you know jim, you're not even from Manchester.
Point missed. He name-checked Colin Bell as if to say that him making an appearance on match-days was understandable whereas Bishop showing up isn't.
The hackneyed cliche line wasn't aimed at him - it was aimed at you. Like playing a game of Citeh Bingo - believe me, we've heard them all in the past 8 years mate and it's rather ironic seeing veiled digs at the human rights record of our owner's country when United have received sponsorship money from both Russia and Turkey in recent years via their national airlines.
You are right that City are a very different club these days though but comparisons with the Wimbledon/MK Dons situation are way off beam.
Got me there mate.
I'm honoured that you've asked a City fan to answer that question. Anyway, Jim got in before me.
Not quite up there with the Garner/Holding/Marshall/Croft quartet but a quality bowler all the same.
That's a fair comment. I don't think it helps that a couple of pages or so back a poster invited responses from City fans by effectively demanding to know why any of us are on this forum. I personally didn't bother answering him because I don't feel I should have to justify to a randomer why I'm here but some did.
Separate thread for discussions of the occasional serious point brought up on meltdown threads?
Nah passed the 11+ so wore the Grammar Green.
This thread has got boring. Rather than this tedious bickering, can someone please come up with a funny phrase or song that rhymes the words Guardiola and areola?
Injury prevented this.
The Paul Lake/Russell Beardsmore of the WI bowlers.
Typical City
But you are pretty insignificant yourself though(Most of us are in the grand scheme of things)
So insignifance to you doesn't make them insignificant.
It's silly comments like that get us United fans labelled as being arrogant idiots. Well not all of us are.
ooook so anywho....back on topic!
City fan on our new signing:
Even though I haven't seen him play at any point, I think he's utterly shit and they've definitely paid well over the odds for him.
gordondaviesmoustache, Today at 7:34 PM
From another City fan...
Why is there so much activity on the United thread ...
Rags aren't even relevant anymore.
Will be between City & Arsenal next season, with the scousers hunting until February.
KDBestplayerintheworld, Today at 3:32 PM
Sad feckers!
City fan on our new signing:
Even though I haven't seen him play at any point, I think he's utterly shit and they've definitely paid well over the odds for him.
gordondaviesmoustache, Today at 7:34 PM
From another City fan...
Why is there so much activity on the United thread ...
Rags aren't even relevant anymore.
Will be between City & Arsenal next season, with the scousers hunting until February.
KDBestplayerintheworld, Today at 3:32 PM
Sad feckers!
Yes, they were deliberately ridiculous and slightly mischievous comments. I was joking. I still love you. If you want to be serious though....
Truth is we are owned by capitalist, exploitative pig dogs who will undoubtedly deal with those of dubious morality if there is a buck in it. You are owned by fascistic, religious fundamentalist, totalitarian and sexist homophobes. Pointing this out is not, in any sense, ironic.
This is not good for either of us, although in a battle of "would you rather have unprincipled capitalists or ideologically driven fascists owning my football club", I guess I'd choose our particular brand of dubious ownership.
I am not playing Citeh bingo. I don't care about city or the constructs your fans need to create to reconcile your club's changes. All I care about with regards to city is the likelihood that you will beat us to trophies which has increased to unprecedented levels of probability since you "won the lottery" or, if you prefer, partnered with new investors.
I do, however, get a little weary of the overly defensive cognitive dissonance on display. Your club has changed. As has mine. You admit this. In many ways it has changed for the better. However, you are also owned by fairly dubious people. You need to accept these things or you'll continue to get upset when you are gently joked with by a fan of your direct rivals on a chat room devoted to said rivals. It might be expected even , that you would get such comments on Red Cafe.
So to romantaicise over the days of Ian " Ian" Bishop, who is cynically trotted out to attempt to maintain continuity to your increasingly distant past, when it is a clear metaphor for how your club is changed, and act righteously angry because you're weary of people pointing out that your club is now very rich and owned by baddies and not much like city of old is a position likely to be discussed on your direct rival's fan forums.
Personally, it makes me sad and Utd have similar, though not identical, troubles.
But, you know,...ignore Colin's actual point and create a straw man of the arrogant Utd fan, get all sanctimoniously angry and cite cliche bingo with no sense of irony. Your owners will still be dodgy, so will ours and Ian "The Bish" Bishop's days will still belong to a receding (and perhaps halcyon) past.