I was thinking more of pundits, but fair point on Toure's agent.
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Exactly my point.
I agree with this. You only have to look at who they get in to be a pundit for their games. City 'legend' Richard Dunne. The gulf is 'massive'.
An actual quote from the Bravo thread on BM
Deluded twats. In the first instance thinking Neuer would leave Bayen for them. In the second instance trying to put Bravo anywhere near the worlds elite keepers. There would be very few teams that would take him on a free atm. To top it all those chumps over the road have paid a massive transfer fee for him.
Deluded twats. In the first instance thinking Neuer would leave Bayen for them. In the second instance trying to put Bravo anywhere near the worlds elite keepers. There would be very few teams that would take him on a free atm. To top it all those chumps over the road have paid a massive transfer fee for him.
I don't agree, if United showed some wow factor like City have this season few would be doing anything but fawning all over Mou and how he was always the right man for the job
Yeah I tend to agree with this.
Mate this would be crisis in the media if this was United under Mou..
Agree.
United 'won the transfer window' with Zlatan, Pogba, Mkhi and Bailly along with Mourinho's appointment.
Anyone who claims there was little media fawning is lying or blinkered.
On the field is where it matters and Utd have been the second least impressive of all title contenders. The least being Chelsea.
If United had gone 4 games with 2 thrashing and no wins regardless of previous results, the media would have been all over the place harping on about crisis.
These City lots trying to console themselves about how they play and "possession" when all they achieved so far are heavy defeats.
No one praises Wenger for getting mopped around while playing beautifully.
Pep goes around showing tactical naivety and people want to dress it as losing while playing well. What kind of joke is that
Other managers and teams (especially us) get hounded by the media after each defeat regardless of how the game went on but we're sitting here seeing people trying to find excuses and sugarcoat City's defeats.
These City lots trying to console themselves about how they play and "possession" when all they achieved so far are heavy defeats.
No one praises Wenger for getting mopped around while playing beautifully.
Pep goes around showing tactical naivety and people want to dress it as losing while playing well. What kind of joke is that
Other managers and teams (especially us) get hounded by the media after each defeat regardless of how the game went on but we're sitting here seeing people trying to find excuses and sugarcoat City's defeats.
"Better team until the sending off"
I've heard it all now
For an away team playing Barcelona they were not too bad until that point tbf. Certainly not the better team of course.
If United had gone 4 games with 2 thrashing and no wins regardless of previous results, the media would have been all over the place harping on about crisis.
These City lots trying to console themselves about how they play and "possession" when all they achieved so far are heavy defeats.
No one praises Wenger for getting mopped around while playing beautifully.
Pep goes around showing tactical naivety and people want to dress it as losing while playing well. What kind of joke is that
Other managers and teams (especially us) get hounded by the media after each defeat regardless of how the game went on but we're sitting here seeing people trying to find excuses and sugarcoat City's defeats.
Amen, especially that tactical naivety part.
Curious how Pep was tactically naive, seemed to get it spot on. Moreover, Lucho had no answer to it other than waiting/hoping for mistakes
If United had gone 4 games with 2 thrashing and no wins regardless of previous results, the media would have been all over the place harping on about crisis.
These City lots trying to console themselves about how they play and "possession" when all they achieved so far are heavy defeats.
No one praises Wenger for getting mopped around while playing beautifully.
Pep goes around showing tactical naivety and people want to dress it as losing while playing well. What kind of joke is that
Other managers and teams (especially us) get hounded by the media after each defeat regardless of how the game went on but we're sitting here seeing people trying to find excuses and sugarcoat City's defeats.
Exactly. His Bayern team was outclassed by Madrid, Barca and then lost against Atletico. His city team was outclassed by Barca already. He has no answer when he plays against Spanish 3. For a supposedly tactical genius, his team got outclassed whenever faced equal or better team.
Waiting more than hoping, with the back 5 city have a mistake is never that far away. If City had equalised we might have seen a tactical change but they didn't.
At the end of the day, City is still a much smaller club and brand compared to the Reals, Barcas, Milans, Uniteds, Bocas and Arsenal's of the world. People internationally (or at least outside of Europe) genuinely hadnt heard much about them (or at all) before 2011. And inside of England they probably received about as much attention as a QPR or Villa until 2008. My point is, you don't become a huge club overnight so with that the level of scrutiny or 'caring' you face will be proportional to national and international interest. That's why so much attention is focused on United or Liverpool, and not City, for example.
The result yesterday is hilarious to everyone except city fans in england. And it is expected/unsurprising to the rest of the world.
And Pep is starting to look like a playground bully if he isn't one already. Goes around thumping lesser teams than his but get sent to the cleaner as soon as he meets a team as good as his quality wise.
Pep ruled the wold with Barca, a team which was/is the best in the world than get schooled when facing teams close to his teams quality.
He goes to Bayern, bullies small German teams in the bundesliga but get done by a big team in Barca, followed by Madrid.
Yet he still get hardly if at all criticized for his poor record against equally big teams.
Also he just doesn't lose, he loses heavily with big and embarrassing scorelines. How many games against the Spanish teams, and he's yet to even score a goal.
Those are eyebrows raising stats.
Pep has also failed to show any genius against defensively organised and disciplined teams. They've sent him packing numerous time from the CL. Chelsea, Inter, Atletico, all these teams have sent him packing.
He's countless times failed to adapt his tactics and games but never get questioned.
He goes around playing the same to either get absolutely stuffed by equally good teams as his such as Real, Barca, or he fails to break defensively sound teams with good tactics to beat him on the counter such as Atletico, Inter, Chelsea.
Pep ruled the wold with Barca, a team which was/is the best in the world than get schooled when facing teams close to his teams quality.
He goes to Bayern, bullies small German teams in the bundesliga but get done by a big team in Barca, followed by Madrid.
Yet he still get hardly if at all criticized for his poor record against equally big teams.
Also he just doesn't lose, he loses heavily with big and embarrassing scorelines. How many games against the Spanish teams, and he's yet to even score a goal.
Those are eyebrows raising stats.
Pep has also failed to show any genius against defensively organised and disciplined teams. They've sent him packing numerous time from the CL. Chelsea, Inter, Atletico, all these teams have sent him packing.
He's countless times failed to adapt his tactics and games but never get questioned.
He goes around playing the same to either get absolutely stuffed by equally good teams as his such as Real, Barca, or he fails to break defensively sound teams with good tactics to beat him on the counter such as Atletico, Inter, Chelsea.
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To be fair Pep wasn't in charge when Barca got dicked by Bayern.
Also the thread is derailing.
To be fair Pep wasn't in charge when Barca got dicked by Bayern.
Also the thread is derailing.
Meh. Bayern was devastated by injury in the tie against Barcelona and then completely dominated Atleti, losing because the ball just wouldn't go in the net and due to an offside goal. I don't think either of those ties say much negative about Guardiola's tactics.
I think he got the tactics fairly correct yesterday, at least until the red card. How many teams have you seen go to Camp Nou and hold their own - not just with the result, but in terms of chances and hold on the match - for the first 60 minutes? Its easy to laugh at the scoreline but this was one of the better away performances against Barcelona in European play in recent years, until the red card.
Oh yeah. He was in his sabbatical.
It's just every time I see a top team in the world get stuffed by another equally world class team, I think of Pep
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I think this is just the perspective of United fans if not wishful thinking. Of course they are a much smaller club & brand than those you mentioned but they are also clearly ambitious as evidenced not only by their financial outlay but their committment to being in it for the long run. Pep et al is only part of that, for now.
And, again, even from the perspective of a Barcelona fan, it wasn't as hilarious as the scoreline would suggest from start to finish
They have even appropriated Barcelona's colours with their away kit. It is kind of pathetic really.
If they produce some technically gifted England players from their wannabe La Masia academy I supposed I will have to forgive them.
See these are the excuses people keep coming with for Pep and they've become more frequent. A lot of ifs involved and hypothetical situations.
And CL are ties of 2 legs which should negate most excuses. He lost those games because the opponents managers got the better of him tactically something which seems hard for some to accept.
Funny how many excuses are used to defend Pep's big losses.
Why wasn't the same excuse used for yesterday's game when Barca played with second string defense for most of the game?
Next they will copy Barca's tax policy.
Was just going to mention that but realised the cult of Pep is strong.
Exactly. Never seen a manager getting praised for losing 4-0.
It is not. there is demonstrably more written about United or Barca than there is about City and that stems from historical dominance and global canvases of the 2 clubs. City is a much better-known club now, especially since they have some top international players. And perhaps they force to be reckoned with in Europe. But they were a non-entity internationally before 2008, that is a fact.
Jose is pragmatic and doesn't mind playing negative football if that is the best tactic.
With Pep, he has only managed the best teams ever. This means he is used to playing in a dominant fashion. Unfortunately, when you don't have the best players, playing in a dominant fashion may result in losses, as we saw yesterday.
This is why, IMO Jose is a better manager as he can manage great sides, as well as sides with lesser players. Porto and Inter Milan winning the league and CL double, is pretty damn impressive. I mean, who the hell are Porto?
But that red card came courtesy of Pep's big statement signing. Cant use it as an excuse.
Wonder if there's been any mention of them attempting (and failing) to carbon copy our corner kick from the Leicester game?
There's really no such thing IMO. There's being pragmatic and the there's sticking rigidly to one tactic. The end result;a win, is all that matters
Bayern Munich scored one similar yesterday
Bayern did similar under Pep - I didn't like it either but the cynic in me thinks he was trying to blaugrana those teams
Not debating the history just that the ambition of the club is to create that identity. Hence, why they have done what they have
I just got to watch the game...did Barca have a second string defense? And how shite is stones? Jesus messi did not get out of first gear.
Can't argue there. I don't think anyone would question their ambition. While I think they should try and forge their own identity instead of sicophantically copying Barca's (wtf was that away kit yesterday?), In the spirit of this thread and yesterday's result, for the time being I'll just laugh at City until they give me reason not to
Exactly. Jose has done it regardless of the club size or financial situation against the best in the world.
Who still remember Mou tactically outdoing peak Barca with Inter on his way to winning the CL title.
Pep so far has only done it with absolutely dominant teams over others which is why I'm curious to see how he'll do in the league with at least 6 teams in for a chance to grab the title.
And I'm not talking about 8 games in.
Can't argue there. I don't think anyone would question their ambition. While I think they should try and forge their own identity instead of sicophantically copying Barca's (wtf was that away kit yesterday?), In the spirit of this thread and yesterday's result, for the time being I'll just laugh at City until they give me reason not to
If you're trying to create an identity, I'm sure there are a few to emulate that are worthy and certainly Barcelona's would be high on anyone's list to aspire to. Can't fault City for that, IMHO. But it's true, you can't copy it - there are nuances to Barcelona that could never be replicated elsewhere. I can't say, ultimately, whether it's a fool's errand to take this approach but I certainly don't think it's mockable to try
There's a Messi that could never be replicated elsewhere.
It is though isn't it. The essence of a football club is its identity. Appropriating another clubs identity is deeply unattractive in my opinon.