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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Dobba said:
It's certainly no more of a leap to suggest they must have heard something positive from them to be putting it out there now, than it is to claim this news is entirely down to Chuka's Goof Troop and their non-policy policy on Brexit.
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The EU will certainly welcome a change towards a CU /SM solution but not one where the Uk can do their own deals, have a say in the policy and have the benefits of the SM without actually being in it and follow the 4 freedoms
This is what May wanted.
 
So some from the Independent Group will be flocking back to labour, now it looking like a referendum.
 
Silva said:
I fully expect it to go exactly the same as the January amendment where everyone forgets about it about 2 hours after the vote
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Probably got more chance if they back the existing back bench plan... Very unlikley an official opposition amenent wins a vote.

Cooper letwin is still the main amendment to watch I think
 
Drifter said:
So some from the Independent Group will be flocking back to labour, now it looking like a referendum.
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Perhaps not just yet, Labour haven’t actually changed their position so far, there’s still a little way to go. It’s still a Brexit first policy after all.
 
Hollywood should have already produced a TV series about this. Perhaps a cross between "The West Wing" and "The Office".
 
CA_vampire said:
Hollywood should have already produced a TV series about this. Perhaps a cross between "The West Wing" and "The Office".
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Just make a new series of The Thick of It, but replace all the actors with pissed up wankers off Geordie Shore. It’ll be a fair representation.
 
Cheesy said:
I suspect this will probably be a referendum on whether or not they should be the ones to negotiate from their position instead of the Tories, as opposed to an actual referendum on Brexit or anything like that. Which would be fairly absurd considering we're a literal month away from this all happening.
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Yep - there's no confirmation that they would approve remain as an option in a second referendum.
 
Sweet Square said:
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Yeah but 95% of those complaining previously knew the position and that this was coming eventually.

I'm not sure why they'd be dissapointed unless they thought it would fly through, did anyone actually think that? Hope not
 
Smores said:
Yeah but 95% of those complaining previously knew the position and that this was coming eventually.

I'm not sure why they'd be dissapointed unless they thought it would fly through, did anyone actually think that? Hope not
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It's a empty moral outrage, it's all these people have left. Well that and shite non political party.

Reiver said:
Well then, it's game on: Tory Brexit, Labour Brexit or Remain?
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There isn't the numbers to get a refendum through parliament.
 
Sweet Square said:
There isn't the numbers to get a refendum through parliament.
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Im not getting my hopes up at all, but numbers in parliament could change quickly as the panic sets in. Especially after Remain now polling 10 points ahead. It’s going to be a crazy next few weeks.
 
Smores said:
Yeah but 95% of those complaining previously knew the position and that this was coming eventually.

I'm not sure why they'd be dissapointed unless they thought it would fly through, did anyone actually think that? Hope not
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You over estimate the general British public
 
Klopper76 said:
This is exactly what people are going to do. They'll also blame anything bad that happens to them on Remainers or the EU, instead of looking at how daft they've been.

It's reached the stage where even if you told everyone that no one in the UK would have a job after a no deal Brexit, they'd still want it because "will of the people".
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It's what 52% of people will do!

'Project Fear' slowly turning into reality right in front of our eyes, and yet people still deny it has anything to do with the very real threat of a no deal scenario playing out.

It times like this I am very glad I am living abroad. All plans for moving home well and truly on the back burner until I can see the real situation post-brexit.
 
All quite predictable given most of the conservative party in parliament do not want Brexit and definitely not without a deal.

The best thing the EU27 can do is refuse extend without a concrete voted through Parliament plan from the UK. At least one of them can see that surely.

I think a second referendum is a terrible idea. Only slightly better than May's abysmal deal. It would further division, leave would never accept a remain win. There is also a reasonable chance leave would win again.

The plug should simply be pulled. All the options for Brexit are terrible, just need parliament to admit it. Accept the result in 2016, May failed to implement it, what was argued for by leave could not be implemented as required negotiations which failed.

The end of Brexit for now, we then have a general election to decide what next after this failed Brexit.
 
Mb194dc said:
All quite predictable given most of the conservative party in parliament do not want Brexit and definitely not without a deal.

The best thing the EU27 can do is refuse extend without a concrete voted through Parliament plan from the UK. At least one of them can see that surely.

I think a second referendum is a terrible idea. Only slightly better than May's abysmal deal. It would further division, leave would never accept a remain win. There is also a reasonable chance leave would win again.

The plug should simply be pulled. All the options for Brexit are terrible, just need parliament to admit it. Accept the result in 2016, May failed to implement it, what was argued for by leave could not be implemented as required negotiations which failed.

The end of Brexit for now, we then have a general election to decide what next after this failed Brexit.
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What does that mean? Cancel Brexit? How is that better than another referendum?
 
Would anyone really care if we remained in the single market and CU but left the EU?

Ok yes I get the point we'd have no say but considering all the benefits we'd keep, our economy wouldn't go to shit and most of us wouldn't be affected by not having a say in EU legislation. Brexiters would moan but they were the ones who might possibly force us into this situation.
 
Wibble said:
It won't happen but that woulld be great.

And then we never speak of this silliness again.
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If another referendum would cause some terrible divide (like we don't already have one) then I'm pretty sure the government just cancelling the whole thing would be far, far worse. Although it would be funny, so hey..
 
horsechoker said:
Would anyone really care if we remained in the single market and CU but left the EU?

Ok yes I get the point we'd have no say but considering all the benefits we'd keep, our economy wouldn't go to shit and most of us wouldn't be affected by not having a say in EU legislation. Brexiters would moan but they were the ones who might possibly force us into this situation.
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It’s the least harmful way of leaving and I’d settle for it as an acceptable fudge at this stage. However, it does beg the question “why bother?”. In terms of the concerns of the various leaver tribes (immigration, new trade deals/neoliberalism, sovereignty), it doesn’t change the immigration rules, requires the UK to maintain regulatory alignment and it does let Brexiteers run with the line that rules are being forced on us by Brussels. In other words, leavers would still be angry and, if they are going to be angry anyway, then why not just retain the current EU membership deal.
 
iKnowNothing said:
I haven't been very up to date on Brexit but I thought the deadline was march 2019. So how can the UK stall it beyond that?
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They can't, maybe the other member states will agree but that's not a given.
 
iKnowNothing said:
I haven't been very up to date on Brexit but I thought the deadline was march 2019. So how can the UK stall it beyond that?
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They can't but British politicians on all sides are still basically convinced that the EU will go along with whatever they want ultimately. British exceptionalism isn't just a far right phenomena.
 
horsechoker said:
Would anyone really care if we remained in the single market and CU but left the EU?

Ok yes I get the point we'd have no say but considering all the benefits we'd keep, our economy wouldn't go to shit and most of us wouldn't be affected by not having a say in EU legislation. Brexiters would moan but they were the ones who might possibly force us into this situation.
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262 posts in this thread & you're asking that? :wenger:
 
GloryHunter07 said:
What does that mean? Cancel Brexit? How is that better than another referendum?
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If the government had any courage that's exactly what they'd do, cancel it. A vote like that should never have been put to the public in the first place, a vote that most people didn't understand. They elect politicians to deal with these issues, not to put them to their vote. The government should be cancelling this mess now when it's become apparent how much it's going to feck up the UK.

But they won't, because they only care about votes and themselves, so here we are, on the cliff edge.
 
LONDON — The UK government is due to hold emergency talks with industry leaders today after discovering that the country doesn't have the right pallets to continue exporting goods to the European Union if it leaves without a deal next month.

Pallets are wooden or plastic structures which companies use to transport large volumes of goods. Under strict EU rules, pallets arriving from non-member states must be heat-treated or cleaned to prevent contamination, and marked to confirm they meet a series of standards.

Most pallets currently used by British exporters do not conform to the rules which non-EU countries or "third countries" adhere to, as EU member states follow a much more relaxed set of regulations.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-michael-gove-ministers-to-hold-emergency-meeting-over-no-deal-chaos-2019-2?r=US&IR=T

Monty Python Brexit. :lol::wenger:
 
Some of you are never happy. Corbyn acceptance referendum result - ‘omg betrayal of the Labour membership’. Corbyn announces support for 2nd ref -‘omg Jezbollah with the u-turn’.

It’s so predictable at this point.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
What does that mean? Cancel Brexit? How is that better than another referendum?
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Yes just revoke article 50, need some honesty from our politicians. This process is a shambles with no good options, they just need to admit that and kill it.

It leaves it open to be dealt with in the future, giving something to everyone as still hope for leave, also plenty of time to reflect on the whole process from 2016, examine why it's all gone horribly wrong, from the announcement of the 2016 vote to now and come up with sensible solutions.

Part of that need to be everyone realising that the 2016 arguments were made based on us negotiating with the EU to get what we wanted, not just a unilateral decision we could take by ourselves. No one considered how they would implement a leave vote and that seems to be the crux of the problem to me. Leaving us with the squalid farce May has cooked up that would not satisfy anyone, except May.

The idea a second referendum would be accepted and solve anything seems ludicrous to me. It will further division, I suspect leave would boycott it, wouldn't be surprised to see mass demonstrations and "blood" on the streets. Why not have a 3rd and 4th one, what about Scotland etc. Just a nightmare of an idea.
 
So if there was a GE right now with the Tories campaigning on leave, and Labour on remain, who do you think would win? And by what margin?
 
Honest John said:
So if there was a GE right now with the Tories campaigning on leave, and Labour on remain, who do you think would win? And by what margin?
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Impossible to say. I'd like to think in the last 2.5 years enough leaver's would have swayed to remain based on all the negativity since then, but also it's likely they haven't and are more determined than ever to go.

Remain would probably win by a very narrow margin which wouldn't solve anything, that's the problem with a second ref.
 
horsechoker said:
Would anyone really care if we remained in the single market and CU but left the EU?

Ok yes I get the point we'd have no say but considering all the benefits we'd keep, our economy wouldn't go to shit and most of us wouldn't be affected by not having a say in EU legislation. Brexiters would moan but they were the ones who might possibly force us into this situation.
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While it seems an attractive option in the short term it would lead to madness in the long term. All those lies brexiteers kept telling about the EU dictating stuff would become true to an extent (through their action, oh sweet irony).

I think in the long term this might be more harmful than anything else. A proud large nation can't become a rule taker indefinitely simply because it's current government is utterly incompetent. From a European perspective I really hope this does not happen.
 
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