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Where's the evidence that these results were driven by Brexit?:
Sir John Curtice, the BBC’s lead election analyst, told the Today programme that his analysis suggested the Lib Dem surge was not being driven by support for a second referendum. He explained:

'The Liberal Democrats used to be the traditional party of protest. And then they went into coalition with the Conservatives and they rather lost that mantle.

It looks as though they are beginning to recover that mantle, particularly in areas where until recently they had quite a lot of strength.

But when you actually look, is there any evidence that the Liberal Democrats are doing better in remain areas than in leave areas? The truth is that the evidence seems to be lacking.

So it seems easier to interpret this as evidence of Liberal Democrats recovering from the coalition, being the party of protest, and that’s the basis of their success, rather than necessarily a rush of enthusiasm for the idea of a second EU referendum.'

Curtice also told the BBC that the Greens were getting 11% of the vote, up five points on last year. He said they were on course for one of their best ever local election results.
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Not sure I follow this...

Labour have lost some.
Tories have lost more.
Greens and Independents have gained.
LibDems have gained the most.

Is this right? What is the LibDems and Greens Brexit policy?
 
afrocentricity said:
Not sure I follow this...

Labour have lost some.
Tories have lost more.
Greens and Independents have gained.
LibDems have gained the most.

Is this right? What is the LibDems and Greens Brexit policy?
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Remain, well a second referendum with Remain in the ballot.
 
Sassy Colin said:
No it isn't.
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Exactly, the message could just as well be "We want a free bag of toffees for everyone". Every politician will now say that the results of the local elections demonstrate that the public want this, or that, or whatever that particular politician wants.
 
Penna said:
Exactly, the message could just as well be "We want a free bag of toffees for everyone". Every politician will now say that the results of the local elections demonstrate that the public want this, or that, or whatever that particular politician wants.
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If anything, the message is, Brexit, abandon it.

Voters have left the pro leave parties in their droves.
 
McDonnell and May coming out with the same counterintuitive interpretation of the results makes me fear a deal is in the offing.
 
Brexit is bleeding both parties and both leaders want brexit. So they feel the earlier they sort it, the better. Cirbyn's statement was copy and paste of May's.
I can't wait till the next Labour leadership contest. I'm going to vote.
 
Sassy Colin said:
If anything, the message is, Brexit, abandon it.

Voters have left the pro leave parties in their droves.
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The true test is the European elections in a couple weeks. Brexit Party + Change UK didn’t stand in the local elections and “independent” picked up the second largest number of councillors after the Lib Dems. They’re probably all very conservative in the leave constituencies where they won.

We need another referendum, however I think leave would win again (or 50/50 at best).
 
What's pissing me off about these Euro elections is that I'm not absolutely certain which of the pro-eu parties I should lend my vote to. I guess the Lib-Dems are maybe most likely to win a seat in the northwest but the big unknown is CHuk which might syphon off a lot of the Labour support which would otherwise have gone there.

What is clear is that the Tories and Labour are going to get murdered and party considerations are going to be put before country by both in order to stop that happening.
 
Sassy Colin said:
If anything, the message is, Brexit, abandon it.

Voters have left the pro leave parties in their droves.
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The time for that has past, should have happened on the 29th March, by announcing revoking of A50.

The European elections are now ipso facto the second referendum, because in effect its become a single issue vote? Hence pro-leavers have swarmed towards Brexit party, but there is no single issue Remain party for Remain to focus on. Our current crop of poor quality Politicians are still playing catch up, Farage is out there on his own with his strategy.
 
I don't see how those results are pro Brexit. Geronwivit my arse...
 
Brexiteers would shamelessly walk up to a car crash pointing and proclaiming this means brexit is the will of the people.
 
Just spoke to someone returning from a Farage/Widdecombe event in Lancashire that thinks there is no doubt that the Brexit party are going to target Labour voters. Be interesting to see how Labour respond.
 
it's pretty obvious the results weren't "gerr on with it" and the messaging was agreed before the results even came in but it's going to be fun seeing remainers try to explain the Brexit Party wiping the floor with everyone in a few weeks
 
Silva said:
it's pretty obvious the results weren't "gerr on with it" and the messaging was agreed before the results even came in but it's going to be fun seeing remainers try to explain the Brexit Party wiping the floor with everyone in a few weeks
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I have a feeling they blame it on a certain allotment owning socialist.
 
Hopefully after the good locals, the Lib Dems and Greens get a boost and come to be seen as the main options for remainers. UKIP got 26.6% in 2014, whilst the Libs and Greens collectively got slightly under 15%, so there are some early targets.
 
sun_tzu said:
By agreeing a deal with may so there won't be an election?
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Would have to be ratified prior to the election in order for it to be prevented, I believe, which would be difficult, and it they did a deal and the election happened they would be battered anyway. I feel like the loss of those brexity voters was already largely baked in in 2014.
 
Ubik said:
Would have to be ratified prior to the election in order for it to be prevented, I believe, which would be difficult, and it they did a deal and the election happened they would be battered anyway. I feel like the loss of those brexity voters was already largely baked in in 2014.
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Might not be time (unless they have an agreement very soon) but if they had a deal through parliament just awaiting lords etc then perhaps logic says you withdraw all candidates from the EU elections... Effectiveley you can't loose if you don't take part
 
sun_tzu said:
Might not be time (unless they have an agreement very soon) but if they had a deal through parliament just awaiting lords etc then perhaps logic says you withdraw all candidates from the EU elections... Effectiveley you can't loose if you don't take part
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I think the fallout from that would be a hell of a lot worse for them than losing some brexit voters to the Farage bellends.
 
Sweet Square said:
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I love this tweet, the exclamation mark after that proclamation that not having british parents would mean that Phil the greek wouldnt be considered british.

If my car was a motorbike it wouldnt be a car.
 
Penna said:
Exactly, the message could just as well be "We want a free bag of toffees for everyone". Every politician will now say that the results of the local elections demonstrate that the public want this, or that, or whatever that particular politician wants.
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Do we think people are learning that Politicians of all colours are self serving wankers yet?

And the worst type of politicians are the ones that claim to be of the people for the people, but are really just self serving wankers like all the rest of them?
 
Ducklegs said:
I love this tweet, the exclamation mark after that proclamation that not having british parents would mean that Phil the greek wouldnt be considered british.

If my car was a motorbike it wouldnt be a car.
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To the surprise of no one I think your missing the racist undertones.
 
Ubik said:
Hopefully after the good locals, the Lib Dems and Greens get a boost and come to be seen as the main options for remainers. UKIP got 26.6% in 2014, whilst the Libs and Greens collectively got slightly under 15%, so there are some early targets.
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I can't believe how many ardent Remainers voted Labour. Labour did poorly yes, but not so much as to change their policy or leadership, so Brexit has moved a big step closer. Tory voters seemed to work it out a bit better, with more of them switching, but there's too many Brexiters in the the Tory ranks for it to make a difference.
 
Sweet Square said:
To the surprise of no one I think your missing the racists undertone.
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I do like to credit people here with having at least average intelligence, so I will give you a few minutes to mull things over and read things again to give you the opportunity to prove my faith in the members here is not misplaced.
 
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