'Smoke me a kipper, I'll be a hack for Brexit'.
Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Feels like we're limbering up for a no deal, like pulling a trigger on a gun but this run up to October 31st is alarming how casual it is.
Said it before, it was always going to turn out like this, an unfavourable withdrawal agreement/deal or halfway house is worse than staying a full member so you either honour the vote and leave fully or stay.
If the intention is always to honour the vote then we could've gone to a Norway deal for 4-5 years (we'd be 2-3 years ahead by now), set up trade deals then leave fully. That would be the best way to soften the blow if we're to leave.
I wonder if the EU could in the event of UK crashing out set up an emergency WA which at least avoids us going splat and we get a broken arm and leg instead.
Said it before, it was always going to turn out like this, an unfavourable withdrawal agreement/deal or halfway house is worse than staying a full member so you either honour the vote and leave fully or stay.
If the intention is always to honour the vote then we could've gone to a Norway deal for 4-5 years (we'd be 2-3 years ahead by now), set up trade deals then leave fully. That would be the best way to soften the blow if we're to leave.
I wonder if the EU could in the event of UK crashing out set up an emergency WA which at least avoids us going splat and we get a broken arm and leg instead.
Last edited:
the strange thing is that once we leave (potentially not on great terms with lots of blame about a no deal being thrown around) we then begin talks about an actual trade deal... i suspect those talks in the shadow of a hard brexit will not be as smooth or fast as we were once promised (by the same folks who told us that we have had enough of experts and that the W.A. would be the simplest negotiation ever)
We've spend 3 years doing our best to honour that bloody vote. Now we're just flogging a dead horse.
People or actual sheep?
People are sheep.
That's the joke
It's a strange world where the conservative chancellor is saying it'll be even worse than an OBR report and yet the vast majority of Tory members just think it'll be alright on the night.
This isn't the opposition or even the city, it's your own fecking chancellor the one you've praised for years for austerity measures.
In fact i bet it's every previous chancellor, of a party whose members primarily support because of perceived financial responsibility.
It just doesn't compute in any sense, it's madness
This isn't the opposition or even the city, it's your own fecking chancellor the one you've praised for years for austerity measures.
In fact i bet it's every previous chancellor, of a party whose members primarily support because of perceived financial responsibility.
It just doesn't compute in any sense, it's madness
MPs vote to block proroguing parliament. Now let's see how many resignations.
No-deal Brexit could cause £30bn economic hit, watchdog says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
They should take it all out of the NHS
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49027889
They should take it all out of the NHS
The division lists are out after the Government’s crushing defeat by 41 votes on Grieve’s latest Brexit-blocking amendment. 17 Tory MPs voted directly against the Bill, including DCMS Minister Margo James who resigned to do so:
- Guto Bebb
- Steve Brine
- Alistair Burt
- Jonathan Djanogly
- Justine Greening
- Dominic Grieve
- Sam Gyimah
- Richard Harrington
- Margot James (resigned)
- Phillip Lee
- Jeremy Lefroy
- Oliver Letwin
- Paul Masterton
- Sarah Newton
- Antoinette Sandbach
- Keith Simpson
- Ed Vaizey
- Richard Benyon
- Peter Bottomley
- Karen Bradley (paired)
- Graham Brady
- Greg Clark
- Ken Clarke
- Alan Duncan
- Vicky Ford
- David Gauke
- Cheryl Gillan
- Zac Goldsmith (paired)
- Damian Green
- Philip Hammond
- Stephen Hammond
- John Hayes
- Simon Hoare
- Jeremy Hunt (paired)
- Caroline Johnson
- Gillian Keegan
- Pauline Latham
- Huw Merriman
- Anne Milton
- Bob Neill
- Matthew Offord
- Victoria Prentis
- Nicholas Soames
- Caroline Spelman
- Rory Stewart
- Julian Sturdy
- Tom Tugendhat
Lacklustre whipping eh? Hmmmm kinky.
I tend to get things from a variety of sources - went to guido mainly during the conservative leadership election where their backers section was probably the most up to date resource
they always have a list of the PMq questions before the event which helps me decide if to listen or not and are generally one of the quicker sites to report westminister stuff (such as who voted one way or the other)
Clearly it has a bias in its reporting (though its hardly alone in that) and I try to balance that with taking news from multiple sources - but for speed they are pretty good for westminister stuff
I like reading the same story on fox, Cnn, Reuters, Bbc, Al Jazeera, China today etc - its good to have all the spin and make your own mind up - guido is one of the more biased sources but as I say good in terms of speed of delivery on the conservative leadership election and westminister
Fair enough....
For a moment, thought you might be a closet Brexiteer.....
For a moment, thought you might be a closet Brexiteer.....
You have to admire Barnier at todays EU PC. With a perfectly straight face, he held the actual WA in his hands and flicked though the pages saying "this document is the only way to a deal on Brexit". However I'm sure he referred to the "600 pages contained in the WA", when last time its length was mentioned I am sure it was only "500 pages"... if true, where have the extra 100 pages come from, and more importantly, what do they contain?
It hasn't changed, it was 585 pages and still is.
He printed it in a bigger font.
However that is still 15 pages unaccounted for/unexplained in Michele's statement... don't suppose he's getting a touch of the Diane Abbot's is he?
Are you really struggling with the concept of rounding up?
It's 599 pages with the political declaration - could be a page longer in another language
No but I think Michele might be!
Surely when he is making such a dramatic public statement meant to emphasize/convey that 'nothings changed', we do it this way or not at all, then he would say (precisely) these 585 pages are it, nothing more and nothing less. In my opinion it was a brilliant one liner, but the impact was spoiled because he was imprecise on the size of the WA document.
It changes absolutely nothing, particularly when unlike your claim he has always talked about 600 pages and it makes sense for the reasons that Paul highlighted, if you are talking about the deal, it's 585 but if you are talking about the document it can be more.
If the Queen grants a request from a prime minister to prorogue Parliament, surely all meetings of the Parliament discontinue until the prorogue period ends? Proroguing is not dissolution of Parliament, just a suspension of business, so how do these votes this week effect that position? Can anyone enlighten me?
that's gloriousSorry that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, no wonder Michele is confused.
Incidentally I haven't said or claimed he always talked about 600 pages, today was the first time I've heard him mention such a figure, prior to that its always been in the 500's. I would still argue that being imprecise (if that's what he was) spoiled the effect of his delivery of an otherwise excellent one-liner about the WA.
I don't think that he has mentioned 500 pages even once, on the other hand 600 pages or almost 600 pages has been mentioned almost everytime he spoke. Now a part of the british press did use the term 500 pages, the BBC mentioned 599 pages though. And there are no argument to be done here, particularly when you tried to pretend that the deal had been altered.
https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/opening-statements_I166570_03-V_rv
What a guy.
He really should have mentioned the exact number of characters including spaces instead of an approximate number of pages in order to make the length invariant of how you print and format the thing.
Can't believe someone is arguing about how long the fecking agreement is, ffs!
You're actually serious aren't you?
Interesting on 'This Week' (the last one!) both Portillo and Johnson think May's deal, under another name, will yet pass, even now. I thought I was the only one.
Also interesting that this thread was started in June 2016. 20fecking16.
Last one ever?!
So they said. Hopefully Sky will step in but I haven't seen anything.