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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Nothing wrong with what he said although i don't know why he bothered saying it. A house price drop benefits more young families than it hits at the other end anyway.

Only those with enough liquid capital, to actually capitalise on this.

The usual suspects will clear up the housing market and turn them into rentals.
 
Nothing wrong with what he said although i don't know why he bothered saying it. A house price drop benefits more young families than it hits at the other end anyway.

Millionaire with own hotel, University and Football Club tells people not to worry about a 3% drop in possibly their retirement investment is not a good look imo.

And the 3% overall drop isnt going to come from London or other affluent areas, it, much like the rest of this brexit nonsense is going to hit the harder up areas.

And would a housing drop benefit young families? If we also see a reduction in jobs then there is no guarantee more people will even get on the ladder. All this means is the rich can hoover up more for their portfolios.
 
Millionaire with own hotel, University and Football Club tells people not to worry about a 3% drop in possibly their retirement investment is not a good look imo.

And the 3% overall drop isnt going to come from London or other affluent areas, it, much like the rest of this brexit nonsense is going to hit the harder up areas.

And would a housing drop benefit young families? If we also see a reduction in jobs then there is no guarantee more people will even get on the ladder. All this means is the rich can hoover up more for their portfolios.

Brexit in a nutshell
 
Any family that would struggle with a 3% drop in their house price are already struggling and probably can't really afford that particular house.

He is right that the job losses would have a bigger impact.
Yeah, I agree with Gary. House prices create headlines but it might even be a good thing to cool the market down a bit, at least for prospective first time buyers. As far as I can see the drop will occur due to lack of activity as most of the current home owners delay plans until after things become clearer, which is sensible anyhow.
 
I'm still struggling to believe that Johnson wants to be responsible for a no deal. No matter how he and the press try to spin it, he will get the majority of the blame.

But if that's correct, then his plan is simply to lower expectations so far that any deal will be welcomed by remainers. This seems like a miscalculation to me.

So, what? Just get any brexit done by any means and with any consequences? All to save the tory party? This is bullshit and must be stopped.
 
Only those with enough liquid capital, to actually capitalise on this.

The usual suspects will clear up the housing market and turn them into rentals.
We're selling at the mo, we had about 5 or 6 asking price offers in the first few days. Several of those were from people who wanted to buy-to-let. We chose a self-employed first-time buyer who lives around the corner (in a rental), who's been trying for ages to find somewhere he could afford. He'd just managed to save enough for the deposit.

We were taking about this last night - if you have a cheaper house to sell and a choice of buyers, choose the person who's desperate to become a first-time homeowner.
 
I'm still struggling to believe that Johnson wants to be responsible for a no deal. No matter how he and the press try to spin it, he will get the majority of the blame.

But if that's correct, then his plan is simply to lower expectations so far that any deal will be welcomed by remainers. This seems like a miscalculation to me.

So, what? Just get any brexit done by any means and with any consequences? All to save the tory party? This is bullshit and must be stopped.

He wants to be a historical figure, leaving a legacy for prosperity is far more important to him than any judgement i reckon.
 
That may well be so, except of course, on this particular claim.
you're either on a WUM or incredibly thick, I hope for your sake it's the former.

Either way I'm not even going to bother arguing the idea that Ni did not vote to remain because it's so beyond dumb and devoid of logic that you may as well be saying the earth is flat.
 
That may well be so, except of course, on this particular claim.

No one gives a shit about your pedantic interpretation of the difference between the people of NI voting remain and the political body voting remain. It was a referendum the former is the relevant factor here.
 
The house price drop is hardly going to illicit much of a response from those who don't and may never own a home because of the insane over valuation of the housing market.

More so as the market will almost certainly bounce back, as is its nature.
 
you're either on a WUM or incredibly thick, I hope for your sake it's the former.

Either way I'm not even going to bother arguing the idea that Ni did not vote to remain because it's so beyond dumb and devoid of logic that you may as well be saying the earth is flat.

As soon as you can demonstrate that Northern Ireland is listed independently as a member of the EU, then I retract my factually correct statement.

It's that simple. People are free to delude themselves however they like, but reality makes no allowance for delusion.
 
No one gives a shit about your pedantic interpretation of the difference between the people of NI voting remain and the political body voting remain. It was a referendum the former is the relevant factor here.

There's a reason I have specifically referred to Norther Ireland, the country, not the people of Northern Ireland.
 
As soon as you can demonstrate that Northern Ireland is listed independently as a member of the EU, then I retract my factually correct statement.

It's that simple. People are free to delude themselves however they like, but reality makes no allowance for delusion.
What about e.g. general elections, do you also think it's pointless to look at voting patterns by region?
Personally I think it's interesting to see which parts of Denmark vote predominantly for one party. So what's wrong with saying that the majority of NI voted to remain?
 
What about e.g. general elections, do you also think it's pointless to look at voting patterns by region?
Personally I think it's interesting to see which parts of Denmark vote predominantly for one party. So what's wrong with saying that the majority of NI voted to remain?

A GE is very different from the EU referendum. The issue is the media have tried to portray it as a GE, which people have fallen for.

We did not vote for local representatives. There were no candidates to elect. We voted on a binary issue and only as citizens of the United Kingdom.

We voted as one nation. The United Kingdom. A vote from Northern Ireland carried as much weight as one from Grimsby, was listed as one of either leave, or remain.
 
A GE is very different from the EU referendum. The issue is the media have tried to portray it as a GE, which people have fallen for.

We did not vote for local representatives. There were no candidates to elect. We voted on a binary issue and only as citizens of the United Kingdom.

We voted as one nation. The United Kingdom. A vote from Northern Ireland carried as much weight as one from Grimsby, was listed as one of either leave, or remain.
So you don't think it's interesting to look at voting patterns across geography?
 
So you don't think it's interesting to look at voting patterns across geography?

Of course it's interesting.

However that's isn't what's being discussed here. The issue is whether the country of Northern Ireland voted to remain. It didn't, it was never asked, Northern Ireland is not a member of the EU. It's membership comes as part of being in the UK. If that changes, then it wouldn't be in the EU until it applied or reunified with Ireland, similar to German unification.
 
A GE is very different from the EU referendum. The issue is the media have tried to portray it as a GE, which people have fallen for.

We did not vote for local representatives. There were no candidates to elect. We voted on a binary issue and only as citizens of the United Kingdom.

We voted as one nation. The United Kingdom. A vote from Northern Ireland carried as much weight as one from Grimsby, was listed as one of either leave, or remain.

Well no actually because the UK has no right to define the citizenship of those born in northern ireland. They are a unique group in these discussions because of their unique citizenship as such it is entirely relevant to discuss their voting pattern separately.
 
A GE is very different from the EU referendum. The issue is the media have tried to portray it as a GE, which people have fallen for.

We did not vote for local representatives. There were no candidates to elect. We voted on a binary issue and only as citizens of the United Kingdom.

We voted as one nation. The United Kingdom. A vote from Northern Ireland carried as much weight as one from Grimsby, was listed as one of either leave, or remain.

If this is true why were British citizens living abroad denied a vote !?
 
A GE is very different from the EU referendum. The issue is the media have tried to portray it as a GE, which people have fallen for.

We did not vote for local representatives. There were no candidates to elect. We voted on a binary issue and only as citizens of the United Kingdom.

We voted as one nation. The United Kingdom. A vote from Northern Ireland carried as much weight as one from Grimsby, was listed as one of either leave, or remain.

That's cute but it completely ignores the practical politics of it. The fact is, whether specific constituencies were remain or leave is extremely important - look at Labour's contortions as an example. Look at how the Scots Nats are feeding off the result. You can try to ignore the realities of how the votes were distributed on the ground, but you won't get very far.
 
you're either on a WUM or incredibly thick, I hope for your sake it's the former.

Either way I'm not even going to bother arguing the idea that Ni did not vote to remain because it's so beyond dumb and devoid of logic that you may as well be saying the earth is flat.
First you attack the poster then you cant even understand his point.
 
That's cute but it completely ignores the practical politics of it. The fact is, whether specific constituencies were remain or leave is extremely important - look at Labour's contortions as an example. Look at how the Scots Nats are feeding off the result. You can try to ignore the realities of how the votes were distributed on the ground, but you won't get very far.

I have no doubt various nationalists will use this to push their agendas. But then they would use just about anything to push their nationalist agendas wouldn't they?

Nor is there anything wrong with breaking the vote down to assess the result. How different regions voted, different counties, different genders, different age groups. Nothing at all wrong with it. However making the incorrect claim that X country voted to remain or leave is just demonstrably and factually untrue.
 
I have no doubt various nationalists will use this to push their agendas. But then they would use just about anything to push their nationalist agendas wouldn't they?

Nor is there anything wrong with breaking the vote down to assess the result. How different regions voted, different counties, different genders, different age groups. Nothing at all wrong with it. However making the incorrect claim that X country voted to remain or leave is just demonstrably and factually untrue.
Are you alright with me saying "the people of NI voted to remain"?
 
That would be correct. Just as stating the people of London voted to remain is also correct.
Alright, so in which world is it an actual country and not its people entering the voting booth?
 
If this is true why were British citizens living abroad denied a vote !?

I would assume these people had lived outside the UK for over 15 years, some might have possibly been born abroad to UK parents and have never lived here. It's a tough one, I guess but if you have lived away for such a long time, then should you really be able to dictate the views of the people still living there?
 
Alright, so in which world is it an actual country and not its people entering the voting booth?

When said country isn't asked as its own independent nation. It's hardly rocket science is it?

The exact words on the ballot were "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There were two options, Remain a member of the European Union, Leave the European Union.
 
When said country isn't asked as its own independent nation. It's hardly rocket science is it?

The exact words on the ballot were "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There were two options, Remain a member of the European Union, Leave the European Union.
Stupid rocket science at least.

Let me get this straight, you're actually saying that there's a difference between saying "NI voted to remain" and "the people of NI voted to remain"? In spite of the fact that the former clearly implies it's the people we're talking about? Wow.
 
Stupid rocket science at least.

Let me get this straight, you're actually saying that there's a difference between saying "NI voted to remain" and "the people of NI voted to remain"? In spite of the fact that the former clearly implies it's the people we're talking about? Wow.

Yes, because Northern Ireland in its current state, cannot remain a member of the EU if the UK is leaving.
 
First you attack the poster then you cant even understand his point.
his point is absurd.

I understand it, he's saying NI didn't vote to leave because they voted as part of the UK and not as their own nation, which is ridiculous, like the vote being UK wide makes any fecking difference whatsoever to how they'd have voted. Actually maybe it would, in that they'd probably vote far more in favour of remain if they didn't have the UK to rely on, which renders his point even more moot.

He's also being stupidly pedantic and trying to claim that saying "the people of NI voted" makes it a totally different argument to "NI voted".
 
When said country isn't asked as its own independent nation. It's hardly rocket science is it?

The exact words on the ballot were "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" There were two options, Remain a member of the European Union, Leave the European Union.

hang on @WensleyMU is onto something here...
If we changed the name of the European Union and call it the European Federation then we've left the EU and done what it said on the ballot without turning ireland into a war zone again... this sounds like a plan
 
hang on @WensleyMU is onto something here...
If we changed the name of the European Union and call it the European Federation then we've left the EU and done what it said on the ballot without turning ireland into a war zone again... this sounds like a plan

Its impossible to comprehend the stupidity of this.