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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Maticmaker said:
Suspect its because a number of douchbag Labour MPs, Brexit not withstanding, have been living under the threat of deselection anyway, even before this latest charade. So now the gloves are off and they can vote as their constituents did on Brexit, presumably believing they will at least have a chance of getting back in at the next GE as 'Labour for Leave' or even perhaps Brexit Party MP's.

In essence they will now see themselves as being 'fire proof; hence' no whips threats can affect them now, they are already beyond that effectively as Labour PMs they are now on 'death row', at least as far as certain sections of the Labour party is concerned.

Jeremy has been repeatedly warning his party not to shoot themselves in the foot and now he's so close to a GE, he must be tearing his hair out!
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Do tell which MPs that are supporting the bill have had their selection processes triggered?
 
mancan92 said:
The EU isnt going to reject an extension so theres not going to be a no deal.
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Are we absolutely sure of that?
What if the EU offer of an extension is not negotiable? Boris has his first excuse to refuse, or to get into a time consuming discussions which have the effect of delaying until after the deadline. Or he can then do as he said he would and fall on his sword in a ditch, just as the clock strikes midnight on the 31st October!
 
Smores said:
Do tell which MPs that are supporting the bill have had their selection processes triggered?
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That's the point no one knows for sure, numbers calculations on the upcoming votes in Parliament are 'up in the air' and as I said, I suspected this was the case, and which is adding to Jeremy's worries, somewhat unnecessarily!
 
Maticmaker said:
Suspect its because a number of douchbag Labour MPs, Brexit not withstanding, have been living under the threat of deselection anyway, even before this latest charade. So now the gloves are off and they can vote as their constituents did on Brexit, presumably believing they will at least have a chance of getting back in at the next GE as 'Labour for Leave' or even perhaps Brexit Party MP's.

In essence they will now see themselves as being 'fire proof; hence' no whips threats can affect them now, they are already beyond that effectively as Labour PMs they are now on 'death row', at least as far as certain sections of the Labour party is concerned.

Jeremy has been repeatedly warning his party not to shoot themselves in the foot and now he's so close to a GE, he must be tearing his hair out!
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Mann, Hoey and Fitzpatrick are not standing so don’t care. However someone posted Fitzpatricks constitutency voted remain?
 
NWRed said:
The 'socialist' part of the NSDAP was basically a label to attract the working class away from communism, in it's implementation national socialism was a fusion of business leaders and government so not socialist at all. Like I said they disbanded the unions very quickly after gaining power.

There were old communists in the party leadership, mostly from Northern Germany, but these either dropped their socialist ideas like Goebbels or were pushed out/killed like Strasser.
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There's no point engaging with someone who links National Socialism with the present policies of the Labour party :lol: it's beyond parody. Either he's on the wind up or his knowledge of both ideologies is derisory. I suspect it's a combination of the two.
 
NWRed said:
The 'socialist' part of the NSDAP was basically a label to attract the working class away from communism, in it's implementation national socialism was a fusion of business leaders and government so not socialist at all. Like I said they disbanded the unions very quickly after gaining power.

There were old communists in the party leadership, mostly from Northern Germany, but these either dropped their socialist ideas like Goebbels or were pushed out/killed like Strasser.
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Thanks for your response, and thank you for not aligning yourself with these small minded idiots who's only modus operandi is to get away with insulting as many people who disagree with their point of view as they can get away with.
 
This is exactly how Sassy Colin started.
 
NWRed said:
The 'socialist' part of the NSDAP was basically a label to attract the working class away from communism, in it's implementation national socialism was a fusion of business leaders and government so not socialist at all. Like I said they disbanded the unions very quickly after gaining power.

There were old communists in the party leadership, mostly from Northern Germany, but these either dropped their socialist ideas like Goebbels or were pushed out/killed like Strasser.
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What about the AP - of NSDAP - Arbeiterpartei - Worker's Party - sounds a bit like ....
 
TheGame said:
Mann, Hoey and Fitzpatrick are not standing so don’t care. However someone posted Fitzpatricks constitutency voted remain?
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Massive Remain. Poplar Limehouse (includes Mile End) has huge Polish and East European population too). So I don't understand his stance at all.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
What about the AP - of NSDAP - Arbeiterpartei - Worker's Party - sounds a bit like ....
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The name, like their 25 point plan, was from 1919/1920, by the time they gained power in 1933 they were a completely different entity funded by big business. It's worth noting that most of their 'unalterable' 25 point plan was quietly forgotten once power was gained.
 
NWRed said:
The name, like their 25 point plan, was from 1919/1920, by the time they gained power in 1933 they were a completely different entity funded by big business. It's worth noting that most of their 'unalterable' 25 point plan was quietly forgotten once power was gained.
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They changed but they appealed to business by dropping part of their anti-captilalist stance. However in 1934 - Hitler responded that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism"

Basically conning stupid people from all walks of life with nationalistic, xenophobic rhetoric.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
They changed but they appealed to business by dropping part of their anti-captilalist stance. However in 1934 - Hitler responded that Nazism was not exclusively for any class and indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps" by stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism"

Basically conning stupid people from all walks of life with nationalistic, xenophobic rhetoric.
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Hitler's rhetoric is exactly that, rhetoric, the policies he enacted were to aid the businesses who funded the party not the workers.
 
NWRed said:
Hitler's rhetoric is exactly that, rhetoric, the policies he enacted were to aid the businesses who funded the party not the workers.
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Yes with heavy borrowing which inevitably led to war with the workers convenient for cannon fodder and building the war machine.

Anyway, one would hope lessons have been learned. No way.
 
Rafaeldagold said:
Anyone else seriously considering leaving the UK if a hard right Tory brexit comes in? It’ll be disastrous & move is more towards American style of regulations with less workers rights (hours, holiday leave) Will lead to NHS going eventually (and I work in that sector)

I feel like common sense would be we’ll return one day to the EU but that could be 10-15 years away.

The Tories & hard right seem to have won & the polls are Torys winking the next election which I can’t get my head around...
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I have thought about it quite a bit these last few months; I would do it too if wasn't for family members that need us in the UK.
 
Rado_N said:
This is exactly how a discussion on Nazi Germany started.
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Thanks for your response, and thank you for not aligning yourself with these small minded idiots who's only modus operandi is to get away with insulting as many people who disagree with their point of view as they can get away with.

Sassy Colin said:
You are an obnoxious poster and all your posts are rubbish.
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Oh stop you're making me blush.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes with heavy borrowing which inevitably led to war with the workers convenient for cannon fodder and building the war machine.

Anyway, one would hope lessons have been learned. No way.
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I don't seriously think we're heading for concentration camps but we are clearly seeing the beginnings of repeating other aspects of the rise of the far right in the 1920s and 1930s.
 
NWRed said:
I don't seriously think we're heading for concentration camps but we are clearly seeing the beginnings of repeating other aspects of the rise of the far right in the 1920s and 1930s.
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No but it's a similar mechanism that's being used and we now know how gullible people can be.

Bonus point from this discussion it's got @Sweet Square energised.:smirk:
 
RedChip said:
I have thought about it quite a bit these last few months; I would do it too if wasn't for family members that need us in the UK.
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Would you move to the EU, or further afield? After Brexit it'll be far more complicated for Brits to get residency in a European country, if they've not already applied for it. I know what you mean about having family ties, we wouldn't have been able to do this when oates's mum was still alive. She voted remain as it happens, she loved travelling and had lived in other countries.
 
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