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sun_tzu said:
Well the conservatives changed their leader from a technocratic malfunctioning maybot to a populist whose personal appeal allowed some who wouldn't usually vote conservative to do so.

Corbyn entered the election as the most unpopular leader of the opposition in recorded history with people having had several years to make up their mind about him as opposed to 2017 when he was relatively unknown

The conservatives didn't score any massive own goals such as the dementia tax

Labour did score own goals this time with uncosted pledges such as the waspi one and a manifesto in 2017 that polled well to a 2019 one which was seen as overload and unachievable

I mean it's not as is labours vote went up in pro immigration / remain constituiences... It was down pretty much everywhere because of Corbyn being seen as an unpopular antisemitic and incompetent leader backed by an unbelievable manifesto
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I might have agreed with you a little while back but after listening to the two academics (I keep mentioning) and realising that the Tories are capitalising on everything they've been predicting I have come to a different conclusion. Labour did relatively well in 2017 because they backed Brexit and ending FoM whilst going up against a terrible leader after 8 years of Tory austerity etc. In 2019 they abandoned Brexit in any meaningful sense and ending FoM as a by-product of that whilst at the same time the membership were actually voting to extend FoM! The wider electorate came to realise the wider ideological makeup of the party whilst they were not offering the key thing that they voted for in 2017.



My thinking is now that I'm going to vote for Nandy in the leadership election. I read that she's the only candidate the Tories fear because she understands the dynamics I'm talking about and has the right track record around them. RLB and Starmer both represent the two Labour eras that have destroyed Labours traditional base in my opinion and make them unelectable in the UK currently.
 
After all the doom and gloom that the supposed experts kept chanting about I didn't notice anything different this morning when I woke up in Brexit Britain. My alarm clock woke me up as it always does, my crumpets tasted the same, Mrs Harris next door was watering her vegetables as normal, Larry and Dave the plumbers were gossiping under Mrs Harris about how this meant the British Empire would rise once again, the fellow down the road (don't know his name but we all call him Simon as it sounds nicer than his real name) was handed his notice to feck off back where he came from (he says Dumfries but not with that skin, he isn't), Mr and Mrs Tildsley proudly displayed their Orange March banner in their front garden, and finally now that he doesn't care about what the snowflakes think as he feels validated by the government Ol' Paedo Pete started to erect his big fiery cross on his porch overlooking the nursery. I got a good look at it as they all chased after me telling me to feck off back where I came from.
 
Alan Pardew just said he's a remainer in his post match interview at Ado Den Haag.

I also just learned that English clubs can no longer poach players younger than 18 after the transition period. So Im now an ardent supporter of you lot having fecked off.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Well done Britain, you've royally fecked yourself.
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It's incredible to see what the US and Britain both have managed to get themselves into these last 3-4 years. It's not like they were all wonderful before (drone strikes and invasions and foreclosures and increasing inequality and that sort of thing), but even so this seemed like a rather sharp turn to madness. Sometimes I have to sit down and just try to get to grips with the fact that Donald Trump and Boris Johnson lead their respective countries. It's absolutely bonkers. Theresa May wasn't amazing, nor was David Cameron, and Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio would have been problematic all on their own, but this is in another league entirely.

I think the only way the UK could make it worse is if they somehow made Nigel Farage PM. And I really hope I didn't just somehow speak that into existence.
 
devilish said:
My grandfather fought at the allies side during WW2. Malta being close to Italy he saw the rise and fall of fascism there and how most italians suddenly switched from huge fascist fans who thought that the country was at the cusp of building the second Roman empire into avid partigiani fans. Its amazing how no Italian I've met would state that his grandfather was a Mussolini sympathiser even though there was a time when most Italians were indeed fascists. Its strange how these children of 'partigiani' are so keen in putting Salvini in government. At least Mussolini loved all Italians although he loved himself more.

Anyway if Brexit goes tits up then rest assured that the same will happen. Most British will denounce ever supporting Brexit and will claim that they were pro EU all along.
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After they are done blaming the EU and immigrants of course.

In fact, I highly doubt a lot of them will ever actually admit it was the wrong vote enough to even hide no matter how bad it gets.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-51341735

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Was just about to post that. Some really think that leaving the EU gives them the freedom to release that pent up racism.
 
Dante said:
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We've been (un)reliably informed over the past four years that British people are not racist or xenophobic at all and it's only anecdotal. After 17 million anecdotal incidents will they finally admit it.

Other questions: if the person or persons they are targetting do not speak english they won't understand the above. Will tourists be allowed to visit the UK if they can't speak english?

Ought to tell the person who wrote it to have spelling and grammar lessons as well.
 
Will Self was right - not everybody who voted for Brexit is racist, but every racist voted for Brexit.
 
Johnson and his cabinet, with the right-wing press cheering on, are talking tough on the upcoming talks. It is almost is if he masterfully maneuvered the EU to get the WA. How quickly they forget that, in fact, he yielded to the EU demands to get it over the line. What do they think is the incentive for the EU to give in this time? Now that we have left, I expect the 27 to be even less flexible to protect their interests, even the previously sympathetic countries.

I think Sloganism is finally going to collide with reality.
 
sun_tzu said:
Well the conservatives changed their leader from a technocratic malfunctioning maybot to a populist whose personal appeal allowed some who wouldn't usually vote conservative to do so.

Corbyn entered the election as the most unpopular leader of the opposition in recorded history with people having had several years to make up their mind about him as opposed to 2017 when he was relatively unknown

The conservatives didn't score any massive own goals such as the dementia tax

Labour did score own goals this time with uncosted pledges such as the waspi one and a manifesto in 2017 that polled well to a 2019 one which was seen as overload and unachievable

I mean it's not as is labours vote went up in pro immigration / remain constituiences... It was down pretty much everywhere because of Corbyn being seen as an unpopular antisemitic and incompetent leader backed by an unbelievable manifesto
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Spot on, as usual.
Labour election was a complete disaster all of their own making.

They may as well have said to the electorate - don't vote for us because we have an unelectable leader and are making policy on the hoof.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
We've been (un)reliably informed over the past four years that British people are not racist or xenophobic at all and it's only anecdotal. After 17 million anecdotal incidents will they finally admit it.

Other questions: if the person or persons they are targetting do not speak english they won't understand the above. Will tourists be allowed to visit the UK if they can't speak english?

Ought to tell the person who wrote it to have spelling and grammar lessons as well.
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Let's not forget it was reported straight away and rightfully a big deal has been made of it.

I mean if this proves we have a huge racism problem, what does the fact it was dealt with by the first person who saw them say?
 
Redlambs said:
Let's not forget it was reported straight away and rightfully a big deal has been made of it.

I mean if this proves we have a huge racism problem, what does the fact it was dealt with by the first person who saw them say?
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Yes but there are 64 million people in the UK not 17m.
Of course, if it wasn't the case, you would think by now that a large proportion of those 17 million could give a coherent reason for their actions. Not very forthcoming outside complete drivel.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes but there are 64 million people in the UK not 17m.
Of course, if it wasn't the case, you would think by now that a large proportion of those 17 million could give a coherent reason for their actions. Not very forthcoming outside complete drivel.
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I'm sure you don't mean that there are 17 million racists in the UK, let alone 64 million racists.

Do you ??
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes but there are 64 million people in the UK not 17m.
Of course, if it wasn't the case, you would think by now that a large proportion of those 17 million could give a coherent reason for their actions. Not very forthcoming outside complete drivel.
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Nevertheless, it's good these incidents are being highlighted and taken care of. That's a good sign the majority will stand up and do something when needed.
 
Full bodied red said:
I'm sure you don't mean that there are 17 million racists in the UK, let alone 64 million racists.

Do you ??
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It's that kind of thinking though that has helped get us in this mess and further entrenched people, that everyone of those 17m are racist or without reason.
 
Ah I see we're back to effectively calling Brits racist again, while pretending the rest of the continent are a group of kumbaya singing hippies with no racism or increasing nationalism.

Helpful going forwards.
 
Redlambs said:
I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It's that kind of thinking though that has helped get us in this mess and further entrenched people, that everyone of those 17m are racist or without reason.
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Paul and I go back a long way and I think ( at least I hope ) we can agree to disagree without rancour.

It's just that that's how it read to me, and I don't think that's what he meant.
 
africanspur said:
Ah I see we're back to effectively calling Brits racist again, while pretending the rest of the continent are a group of kumbaya singing hippies with no racism or increasing nationalism.

Helpful going forwards.
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The great unanswered question is why the blind eye to the double standards of the EU from some on here.

Can any non-EU citizen from outside the EU emigrate to freely live inside the EU.

I don't think so - in fact I know they can't.

Yet when the UK says that now outside the EU they'll apply the same rules to EU citizens as to those from outside the EU, and so the same as the EU currently does and always has done to non-EU citizens, well the UK are disgusting, racist xenophobes but the EU, apparently, isn't.
 
Full bodied red said:
I'm sure you don't mean that there are 17 million racists in the UK, let alone 64 million racists.

Do you ??
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No I don't .
I also didn't say there weren't racists and xenophobes in the rest of Europe or the world.

Redlambs said:
I gave him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

It's that kind of thinking though that has helped get us in this mess and further entrenched people, that everyone of those 17m are racist or without reason.
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How do you become more entrenched. Either you're racist and xenophobic or not - or will people become xenophobic if you falsely accuse them of being so.

I don't follow how the UK holding a referendum and voting to leave was caused by people accusing people of being racist or xenophobic.

The reason the UK are in this mess is because people are so gullible and ill-informed.
 
Who will tell Brexiteers that we have not really left yet .Not until the end of the year.
 
Full bodied red said:
The great unanswered question is why the blind eye to the double standards of the EU from some on here.

Can any non-EU citizen from outside the EU emigrate to freely live inside the EU.

I don't think so - in fact I know they can't.

Yet when the UK says that now outside the EU they'll apply the same rules to EU citizens as to those from outside the EU, and so the same as the EU currently does and always has done to non-EU citizens, well the UK are disgusting, racist xenophobes but the EU, apparently, isn't.
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The thing is, I'm a remainer through and through. I love the EU and think we're far better off in than out. I was devastated after the vote and feel slightly less British than I did in 2015.

Having said that, what has happened has happened now and the views in this thread are often so unhelpful. Often some combination of wailing, gnashing of teeth, calling leavers racists and idiots and suggesting the UK will become some 3rd world banana republic.

Strange for that to be the focus, considering the rise of actual far right, racist parties in France, Germany, Austria, Greece, Italy, Spain, Hungary etc, just seems weird to me.

On top of this, I saw two things, from the two opposing sides on the day before, which should be how we approach this from now on, as much as I do not agree often with either:



https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...lair-says-uk-should-make-best-brexit-he-warns

So rather than being an ass because you side won. Or crying because your side lost. Try to see how Britain can make the best of this situation.

If it doesn't, I personally will be leaving, leaving behind the masses who ( I still believe) essentially were Turkeys voting for Christmas, at least in the short term. But no point constantly crying about it in the meantime.

(I appreciate this may not apply to many on this board, who are not British in the first place and therefore may not care either way what happens).
 
Full bodied red said:
I'm sure you don't mean that there are 17 million racists in the UK, let alone 64 million racists.

Do you ??
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Just because a small majority of the electorate voted to leave the EU doesn't mean that they are all or even in part racists.

Yes those who read the DM could well hold some racist views.
But we must guard against such sweeping generalisations.

I certainly would say that the majority were somewhat gullible and bought the illusion that everything will get better when we leave.
But rather than racists I would say there is a degree of Nationalism. Something in common with many other countries.
 
africanspur said:
The thing is, I'm a remainer through and through. I love the EU and think we're far better off in than out. I was devastated after the vote and feel slightly less British than I did in 2015.

Having said that, what has happened has happened now and the views in this thread are often so unhelpful. Often some combination of wailing, gnashing of teeth, calling leavers racists and idiots and suggesting the UK will become some 3rd world banana republic.

Strange for that to be the focus, considering the rise of actual far right, racist parties in France, Germany, Austria, Greece, Italy, Spain, Hungary etc, just seems weird to me.

On top of this, I saw two things, from the two opposing sides on the day before, which should be how we approach this from now on, as much as I do not agree often with either:



https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...lair-says-uk-should-make-best-brexit-he-warns

So rather than being an ass because you side won. Or crying because your side lost. Try to see how Britain can make the best of this situation.

If it doesn't, I personally will be leaving, leaving behind the masses who ( I still believe) essentially were Turkeys voting for Christmas, at least in the short term. But no point constantly crying about it in the meantime.

(I appreciate this may not apply to many on this board, who are not British in the first place and therefore may not care either way what happens).
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agreed for the most part. I find it incredibly unhelpful when Farage compares remainders to flat earthers, for instance. Certain characters talk about “healing the divide” but I have yet to see any real evidence of this - not that I am really sure exactly what could be done, to be fair. But for now I would settle for just civility and a little bit of respect rather than the incessant gloating.
 
Walrus said:
agreed for the most part. I find it incredibly unhelpful when Farage compares remainders to flat earthers, for instance. Certain characters talk about “healing the divide” but I have yet to see any real evidence of this - not that I am really sure exactly what could be done, to be fair. But for now I would settle for just civility and a little bit of respect rather than the incessant gloating.
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Yep, you get people like Rees Mogg and I am sure Johnson has probably referred to people like me as ‘remoaners’, and they are now reaching out and telling us to work together?
 
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