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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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How long would any potential agreement take to get through the EU?

It's getting close to the cut off point now?!
 
What's that???.... is there an echo in here?...don't worry folks your long awaited/predicted 'no deal' Brexit is nearly here... might even come before Christmas, in time for the January Sales may be?
 
Maticmaker said:
What's that???.... is there an echo in here?...don't worry folks your long awaited/predicted 'no deal' Brexit is nearly here... might even come before Christmas, in time for the January Sales may be?
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Presumably as we've been discussing it so long you can by now think of some ideas for how it will be a good thing for the country?
 
NinjaFletch said:
Presumably as we've been discussing it so long you can by now think of some ideas for how it will be a good thing for the country?
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The "Will of the People" will prevail... of course the Will of the people can be right or wrong!
 
Berbasbullet said:
Didn’t know you were a big Theresa May fan!
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Oh I'm not, she had one golden chance to end it all when she tried three times to get a Bill through Parliament and failed, should have said "well that's it then we can't agree, so I'm falling on my sword and revoking...." whatever it was she could have revoked... its so long ago I've forgotten!

From the moment the result of the referendum was known, it was always going to be a 'no deal' (no matter what both sides said) if there was any Brexit at all, it could not be anything else!
 
NinjaFletch said:
Right, but that's not the answer to the question I asked is it?
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Yes it is "the will of the people prevails... right or wrong... that's good for the country, it chastises our politicians, to never again taken major decisions in this manner!
 
Paul the Wolf said:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ledge-prevent-low-quality-food-imports-brexit

This link works I think.
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Ah, thanks, was kind of hoping the story was wrong and was spiked, but that was more in hope than expectation.

Given the government's publicly stated willingness to contravene international law, it's a tad naive to expect it to adhere to the recommendations of an advisory food standards board. I think everyone in this thread is well past the point of being surprised by the duplicitousness of this government now tbh.
 
Where are all the posters who believed we’d get all these fantastic trade deals with EU and other countries?
 
The Tory MPs are so shortsighted.
Loads of them are up in arms over the next phase of Covid Tiers at the end of the so called Lockdown.
They are demanding economic impact statements from Boris and threatening to vote against the government.

Pity they were not so interested in getting the same level of information regarding Brexit.
 
What’s the betting that those in favour of Brexit point to the approval in the U.K. of the pfizer vaccine to suggest that look how fast we can make decisions that benefit the population when the country is not tied to EU rules.
 
Virgil said:
What’s the betting that those in favour of Brexit point to the approval in the U.K. of the pfizer vaccine to suggest that look how fast we can make decisions that benefit the population when the country is not tied to EU rules.
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Alork Sharma already posted some daft tweets.
 
Virgil said:
What’s the betting that those in favour of Brexit point to the approval in the U.K. of the pfizer vaccine to suggest that look how fast we can make decisions that benefit the population when the country is not tied to EU rules.
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And as usual they would be quite wrong. The EU allow national approval of specific drugs and vaccines in the case of emergencies.
And nobody is going to argue that the pandemic is not such an emergency.
 
All the usual Brexiteers MP coming out with drivel that the vaccine was rolled out quicker because we left the EU which is total bollocks. So desperate for a win as people realise Brexit doesn't have the sunny uplands they were promised. Surely Twitter needs to start looking at misinformation on this side of the Atlantic as well.

 
TheGame said:
All the usual Brexiteers MP coming out with drivel that the vaccine was rolled out quicker because we left the EU which is total bollocks. So desperate for a win as people realise Brexit doesn't have the sunny uplands they were promised. Surely Twitter needs to start looking at misinformation on this side of the Atlantic as well.

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I think one of the conditions of being a Brexiteer is that they must never tell the truth.
 
I have made my views on the madness of leaving the EU pretty clear.
However, I have to say that I do support the UK position that during the negotiations, we should be recognised and treated as a self governing sovereign nation.
For good or bad (certainly the latter), we left the EU almost a year ago and as a result, our status is of being independent.
 
Buster15 said:
I have made my views on the madness of leaving the EU pretty clear.
However, I have to say that I do support the UK position that during the negotiations, we should be recognised and treated as a self governing sovereign nation.
For good or bad (certainly the latter), we left the EU almost a year ago and as a result, our status is of being independent.
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What made you say that?
The UK has to abide by international law and will be treated the same as any third country by the EU.
If it wants to export products to other countries they have to comply with the regulations of the country they are being exported to, whether it be the EU, China or Vanuatu.
 
Independence and sovereignty have nothing to do with it.
You use your leverage to get the best possible deal. That is all. It would not be different if we were negotiating with any other nation.
 
Virgil said:
What’s the betting that those in favour of Brexit point to the approval in the U.K. of the pfizer vaccine to suggest that look how fast we can make decisions that benefit the population when the country is not tied to EU rules.
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Whats the reason then we dont have approval yet in the eu? Asking as an eu resident.
 
Stanley Road said:
Whats the reason then we dont have approval yet in the eu? Asking as an eu resident.
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No particular reason, the UK used an emergency procedure that also exists in the EU but EU member states have decided to stick to the normal procedure.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
What made you say that?
The UK has to abide by international law and will be treated the same as any third country by the EU.
If it wants to export products to other countries they have to comply with the regulations of the country they are being exported to, whether it be the EU, China or Vanuatu.
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What made me say that was the reports that apart from the fishing issue, the so called level playing field seems to be the major stumbling block.
My understanding is that the EU does not want the UK to 'profit' from leaving by changing or reducing its standards from that which applied when in the EU. State aid is an example.
Now, I may well not have fully understood that particular point, but my understanding is that the UK are maintaining that they should be treated like any other independent state.
 
Buster15 said:
What made me say that was the reports that apart from the fishing issue, the so called level playing field seems to be the major stumbling block.
My understanding is that the EU does not want the UK to 'profit' from leaving by changing or reducing its standards from that which applied when in the EU. State aid is an example.
Now, I may well not have fully understood that particular point, but my understanding is that the UK are maintaining that they should be treated like any other independent state.
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That has nothing to do with the independence of the UK, the point of a trade deal is to allow goods/services to cross borders without systematic custom checks. In that context, you want to have a level playing field when you are talking about two sovereign entities, the UK are being treated like any other country, that's what happens with every single deals.
 
Boris and ursula apparently meeting tomorrow... I do wonder (hope) that these latest negotiation issues are a bit of stage management giving each the opportunity to be the hero (momentarily) and make an agreement at the weekend (before the internal market bill goes back to pariament)
That said i think the French might veto the deal and secretly boris, gove, farrage etc would see that as the perfect scenario... no deal and they get to blame the French
 
JPRouve said:
That has nothing to do with the independence of the UK, the point of a trade deal is to allow goods/services to cross borders without systematic custom checks. In that context, you want to have a level playing field when you are talking about two sovereign entities, the UK are being treated like any other country, that's what happens with every single deals.
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So why is the level playing field then such a problem?
 
sun_tzu said:
Boris and ursula apparently meeting tomorrow... I do wonder (hope) that these latest negotiation issues are a bit of stage management giving each the opportunity to be the hero (momentarily) and make an agreement at the weekend (before the internal market bill goes back to pariament)
That said i think the French might veto the deal and secretly boris, gove, farrage etc would see that as the perfect scenario... no deal and they get to blame the French
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Rightly so in that case.
 
Buster15 said:
So why is the level playing field then such a problem?
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I haven't looked at the details in a while but generally it's because one of the parties wants to exploit loopholes and the level playing field measures prevent it.
 
JPRouve said:
No particular reason, the UK used an emergency procedure that also exists in the EU but EU member states have decided to stick to the normal procedure.
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Oh, well that makes sense. No emergency here. Only thousands of people dying every day. Let's stick with the normal procedure. Then when the feck would they use the emergency procedure if not now??
 
JPRouve said:
I haven't looked at the details in a while but generally it's because one of the parties wants to exploit loopholes and the level playing field measures prevent it.
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Thank you. I had a recollection that M. Barnier mentioned that in the trade talks on fair competition, the UK should be treated specifically because of them having been in the EU.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Oh, well that makes sense. No emergency here. Only thousands of people dying every day. Let's stick with the normal procedure. Then when the feck would they use the emergency procedure if not now??
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When they know that a product is safe?
 
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